An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction

Magnitude 2.1 - ARKANSAS
2008 August 06 18:31:16 UTC

Hi everyone,

I'm really enjoying this thread - thank you - it's very interesting!

I'm wondering what the precursors are for Alaska -- interesting to see there's been 120+ earthquakes with a magnitude of 2.5 or greater there in the last 24 hours. I'd be interested knowing what others think about this.

earthquake.usgs.gov...

reply to post by mountaindog


Hi mountaindog, thanks for your comments.

I just popped on to post the Andreanof Islands swarm, but you beat me to it. Look at the page you linked--- they've had around 40 in the past 12 hours.

Actually, the precursors for Alaska are a lot like a couple other places, most of the Pacific NW, for that matter, and the Phillipines-- and they had an EQ there in the past twelve hours. I mentioned Alaska and the Phillipines yesterday, being unsure of which it could be, and have gotten used to pushing the Alaska precursors out of the way. Turns out, it was both. Alaska is one of those really seismic regions that can mess us up.

The precursors are always right. But sometimes we read them incorrectly.

[edit on 8/7/08 by kattraxx]

Hello everyone,

I have been looking around and doing some reading on this ground temp stuff.

It seems that in Dick Smith Wilderness which I think is in Ventura County, Cal. (not sure) has been under investigation by the US Geo. Survey for several months now, hmmmmm.

It seems new fissures were located there and they were checking for volcanic gas there. It seems 3 areas are hot and this ground heat started the fire there and they can't figure out what is causing this, hmmmmmm.

So we had Colorado with over 800 degree ground temps now areas in Cal. and this isn't making headline news, wonder why "don't you?"

I have a feeling things are expanding and soon areas are going to seperate.

I do feel that things are going to get worse slowly but there is nothing we as a people can do it is the Earth realigning herself.

I'm really beginning to think people need to move inland for the next couple years for there survival.

I keep going over what I was told by the family from above. Something happened here that wasn't supposed to have happened and they are here to try and help when this time comes. I was told I would know when it was time and I am sensing the time is coming but not right yet. I believe all that is happening is for the good of human survival even if life is lost and I believe there will be lose of life but they will do as much as they can to save life.

I am actually beginning to feel that just maybe Dec. 22, 2012 will be the New Beginning.

I believe things are going to get worse before they get better.

One last thing if people report ship activity pickup it's only because they are here doing there job to help, kinda like me.





[edit on 7-8-2008 by observe50]

More in the Gulf of California...

Magnitude 5.4 - GULF OF CALIFORNIA
2008 August 07 02:18:13 UTC

We're still watching California, pretty much from the bay area to Mexico.

reply to post by observe50


Observe, good job-- can you link to some articles regarding the "hot spot" in SoCal?

Thanks.



[edit on 8/7/08 by kattraxx]

Observe, I did find the following article regarding the hot spot from 2005 in the Dick Smith Wilderness (in the same forest-- the Los Padres) that caused a brush fire. Interesting, so I'll post the entire article.

Jul 11, 2005 9:06 pm US/Pacific
Unexplained Hot Spot Heats Up Ground In SoCal
by Tony Russomanno
(CBS 5) In Southern California, a unique and still unexplained hot spot the size of two football fields is producing temperatures above 400 degrees at the surface, and has started at least one brush fire.

The geologic mystery is 15 miles north of Santa Barbara, in the Dick Smith Wilderness area, deep within the Los Padres National Forest. The hot spot was discovered by fire crews putting out a fire last summer, and the source of the fire was traced to intense heat from the ground itself.

USGS hydrologist Dr. Robert Mariner hiked out to the hot spot, and found temperatures of 583 degrees Fahrenheit in fumerals -- or steam vents -- about ten or eleven feet down. That's hot enough to ignite wood, and it defied common knowledge.

"There's just no reason to have temperatures in fumerals that hot, unless you are dealing with a volcano," said Mariner.

Mariner says it's definitely not a volcano. But one theory is that a recent landslide exposed a unique combination of rocks to the air, triggering a chemical reaction.

"We kind of suspect it's a confluence of minerals and that got broken up just right to get the reaction going," said Mariner.

Mariner says the reaction might have been expected to consume itself by now and cool off, but that hasn't happened. So far, it might be easier to explain this as a portal to hell, than any other known geologic feature.

"A unique combination of rocks".... what flammable rocks could those be? I'm no geologist, so if anyone knows what the heck he's talking about, I'd like to know.

Here's a bit more on that hot spot in 2004...

By King AP, Geological Society of America (Vol 37 No 7, p176)
October 17, 2005

On August 21, 2004, a landslide started a three-acre fire in a remote area of the Dick Smith Wilderness of the Los Padres National Forest, California. The fire was quickly extinguished but subsurface temperatures in excess of 550°F and a sulfur odor remained. Research by National Forest, USGS and UC Santa Barbara geologists and hydrologists suggests a possible cause for the thermal anomaly is the exothermic oxidation of iron sulfide minerals (pyrite and marcasite), which then burns disseminated organic material found in the local shale.

www.humanresonance.org...



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[edit on 8/7/08 by kattraxx]

Magnitude 3.5 - NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
2008 August 07 18:11:38 UTC

USGS calls this one Tennant, CA, but I'm pretty sure it's right near Mt. Shasta.

Also, the Andreanof Island swarm seems to be picking up with stronger mags. I just got an email alert from USGS for a 5.9. I believe if this region had a high mag EQ, there would be tsunami danger. Bears watching.

www.usc.edu...

During the early morning of April 1, 1946, an earthquake of magnitude 7.4 occurred in an area of the Aleutian Trench located approximately 90 miles south of Unimak Island, part of the Aleutian Island chain (see diagram above for approximate location of quake's epicenter). During the quake, a large section of seafloor was uplifted along the fault where the quake occurred, producing a large, Pacific-wide tectonic tsunami. The most detailed, and well documented accounts of the 1946 Aleutian tsunami come from Scotch Cap, located on Unimak Island, and the Hawaiian Islands. Despite its enormous size at Scotch Cap, the 1946 tsunami had little effect on the Alaskan mainland, due to the presence of the Aleutian Islands, which absorbed the brunt of the tsunami's power, shielding the mainland.

There are some amazing old photos on the linked page showing before and after and even some of the tsunami hitting Hawaii.



[edit on 8/7/08 by kattraxx]

hey Kattraxx, I see you posted another for baja... is it the same one they keep changing the mag for?

M 5.4, Gulf of California

Date:
Thursday, August 7, 2008 02:18:13 UTC
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 08:18:13 PM at epicenter
Depth:
10.00 km (6.21 mi)

if it is a new one, where did the other one go as that should be 3 in that area now..

oh... swarms started at yellowstone... 2 different ones.

[edit on 7-8-2008 by pynner]

oh, and a swarm has started between mt shasta and the lava field right beside it.

lava bed national mon.

I think thats what it's called.

reply to post by pynner


Thanks, pynner, you're right on top it. Damntheptb just mentioned the Yellowstone swarm to me and I've been busy watching the Aleutians swarm and all the simultaneous micro-EQs in California and Nevada that all seem to be near hot springs or old volcanoes.

And I was also looking for information on tsunamis caused by EQs in the Aleutians.

On March 9, 1957, a great earthquake - the third largest earthquake the 20th century - with a moment magnitude of 8.3 occurred south of the Andreanof Islands in the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. It generated a destuctive Pacific-wide tsunami.

More... www.drgeorgepc.com...

reply to post by pynner


Here's a good site with good photographs that lists all the active volcanoes in the Cascades from Oregon to N. California.

www.volcaniclegacybyway.org...

And Yellowstone has had about 20 today already....

Yellowstone swarm

Mt. Shasta swarm



[edit on 8/7/08 by kattraxx]

There is a lot of activity today, and a lot of activity in areas that should raise concern.... as Kattraxx has stated, a lot of the newer quakes in cali and nevada have been on top of or near volcanic or geothermal sites...

We have a lot of activity in yellowstone today, lots of smaller quakes minutes apart.... not huge, but defnitly concerning......

We have reports of "HOT SPOTS", that smell of sulpher, yet they deem them non-volcanic... in colorado, california, people getting burned at yellowstone falling through walkways......

WORLD EARTHQUAKE LIST

THE world eq # has risen alot in the last couple days.....

I think there is a massive amount of magma moving on the west coast.. ( I am not sure where to), and it all has to reach a breaking point eventually....

thanks for the link to the volcanoes... it's amazing but my wife and I have been to more than 80% of them within the last few years..

crater lake is still our fave... even ahead of st helens.
(though, the newberry crater and obsidian flow are neat too)


and a new 2.0 in the shasta swarm

[edit on 7-8-2008 by pynner]

Originally posted by damntheptb
There is a lot of activity today, and a lot of activity in areas that should raise concern

What concerns me, over the last 24 hours, is the Aleutian Islands, Alaska.

This region usually has less than a dozen 2.5+ in any given 24 hour period.
As of this posting, the Aleutian Islands (discluding all surrounding EQ regions, such as Fox Islands, Southern Alaska, etc) has had 193 (one-hundred nintey-three) EQ's greater than 2.5, with several being above 4.0, and one being a 5.8 this morning, local time.

So as to not derail this thread with what is happening in Alaska, does any of you have anything that correlates with this Aleutian surge?

[edit on 7/8/08 by Misfit]

I just saw three micros pop up on the Nevada map all in the same minute. Two by Battle Mountain, in north central Nevada and one in southern Nevada, hundreds of miles apart... all near hot springs too.

reply to post by Misfit


Misfit, I was just mentioning to damntheptb that I still have the precursors from yesterday, which I now know are for this Aleutians swarm, however they are not too intense. They have gotten a bit stronger in the past half hour though.

I'm sure if a big mag EQ is going to happen there, we can count on Charlotte to let us know via her earthquake alert emails. Given the situation, I don't think Charlotte would mind if I list the Alaska precursors that I get, in case people on the west coast are feeling a little nervous about this Aleutian swarm: back of head, right side headache, also in the right eye/temple area, and a general feeling of pressure in the right side of your head; difficulty concentrating; earache if >5.0 or in water or volcanic.

If anyone is really concerned, I recommend signing up for Charlotte's email alerts.

If anyone is getting any of this, or if it becomes intense, let us know.

By my current count, there have been around 176 EQs in the Aleutians swarm since midnight yesterday. Give or take.

Aleutians swarm

[edit on 8/7/08 by kattraxx]

Originally posted by kattraxx
By my current count, there have been around 176 EQs in the Aleutians swarm since midnight yesterday. Give or take.

Aleutians swarm

[edit on 8/7/08 by kattraxx]

This beauty looks like its going to blow its water cork.

www.avo.alaska.edu...

The USGS is going to be busy with this one as the last 4.0 quake was shallow.
earthquake.usgs.gov...

Thanks, Skywatcher. This should be very interesting.

They've raised the warning level to red.

2008-08-07 15:26:35 - VAN/VONA

Satellite data show an ash plume to an altitude of at least 35,000 ft. in the vicinity of Kasatochi Volcano 22:30 UTC (14:30 ADT). The plume is drifting to the south-southwest. Based on this information, we are elevating the color code to RED/WARNING. This follows the recent increase in volcanic and earthquake activity.

www.avo.alaska.edu...