An Experiment in Alternative Methods of Earthquake Prediction

reply to post by lasertaglover

Thanks for posting. Have you been able to make any general observations of what the increased frequency of ear ringing might mean in your case? Can you connect it to specifc quake events and/or locations?

I don't recall you mentioning any specific correlations (but my memory is not the greatest), so I'd be glad if you could get back to us on this.

Mike

reply to post by JustMike


Well the Japan quake it definitely was increasing in freq right before the first big foreshock. It feels at times that the more it builds, the greater the chance for a larger eq.

Since I've been tracking this, I have found myself to be correct about a 1/3 of the time, with being correct to me meaning either something unusually large somewhere, or something closer to home, which is in the midwest US. The eq's that have been closer to me here over the last year or so have not been large, but I have found my ear ringing with these closer quakes to be more accurate, closer to 50% of the time seeing an eq usually within 24 hours.

If it does not happen then, or at max, within 48 hours, then I chalk it up to an eq fail.

However, lately I have been also been keeping an eye on this thread in relation to other natural phenomena. Some of the regular posters here, including you and me, have had posts on here that have not related to an eq, but rather around the same time, there has been a solar flare, CME, or volcanic eruption.

I don't post on here as often as I would like, but going forward to anyone posting in this thread, I do recommend cross-checking the usual eq sites, with some of the solar and volcanic information sites as well. A lot of us are picking up on 'something', maybe it is not always the same thing. Just a thought.

Last, I don't normally ever get an idea or notion of "where" the eq might happen, like some people do. So I am going to say this here, and this is not related to my ear ringing, but just a strong feeling I have been having lately, but I think there is going to a large eq soon in the middle east. A bad one, and again, this is just a gut feeling that I am throwing out there.

Peace and love to all of the regular posters in here and thanks to you JustMike for all of your extra effort. Maybe someday we will all together discover a pattern that helps to forewarn.

And thats what this thread is all about to me, not fearmongering or dread. On the contrary, I think this thread is about hope. Hope that we do have it in ourselves, if we listen closely enough, to be in touch with our planet in a way that our fellow animals do, and be able to detect and possibly, forewarn in a way that can 'accurately' save lives.

(sorry for the ramble lol)

Peace

reply to post by lasertaglover


I agree with you. I wish it was more recognised that some people are sensitive to this stuff and then we all would not be labelled crazies or what not.. I had no problems telling the USGS about the stuff I felt before and after the Virginia quake a few months ago when I submitted a shake report. They allowed other comments of a personal nature regarding the earthquake, so I put it out there. I am sure it was not even glanced at twice but if more people do not speak of this stuff, no one will know.. maybe if enough people speak about it, someone will listen. Anyway.

I was checking in here cause tonight I feel quite like something is going on geologically. I have noticed the way things feel and sound outside, as well as animals acting odd and the nasty nausea that started a little while ago.. The clouds were also strange all day and even still..earthquake clouds I call them. I have also felt slight ground motions/vibrations at intervals...there goes one now in fact...

In the past year and a half I have discovered I do a little protocol of checks when I sense things like this to determine if it is space weather related or earthquake releated. Symptoms physically are different for space weather and earthquakes, similar, but different. I also have to include terrestrial weather in that list of checks because I am quite sensitive to the drops of barometric pressure when frontal passages happen and whatnot. I will have to write em all out someday. I of course always check data and things like that after the fact but I like to know which data to check first.

Originally posted by JustMike
reply to post by onthelookout

 

For all that, I'm still itching to know what your correlation hypothesis was, OTL. I mean, with only a limited period of observation and hence a small "sample", it's not really possible to determine the validity of most "possible cause and effect" hypotheses anyway.

So if you would share your idea I'd appreciate it and I'm sure others would too. Even if you feel your hypothesis isn't viable, that doesn't mean it can't be developed in some way. All ideas are welcome, after all!

Mike

I haven't been here in awhile, been busy.

Argh. My hypothesis? Sure. Why not let my freak flag wave.

I've was raised to live in a world of science, as well as a world of esoteric knowledge. Previously I've always kept the two separate, no problemo...but they seem to be merging. So, the metaphysical/esoteric "waves" of energy have become very intense and very physical, AND mimic all of the same physical symptoms that others here commonly list. But the waves of weather/earthquakes/sun activity etc. is also seemingly more intense and becoming more obvious to the general population.

So I'm trying to see if they are really one and the same...or maybe the metaphysical/esoteric/energetic hits first and then the physical hits with a bit of a delay as it filters through. If so, then what I'm proposing is that the delay between the one and then the other is shortening and hitting more intensely than previously.

So yeah...now my crazy is out having a party here

Thank you for replies, all. I'll answer in detail later. Not feeling god now and making stupid errors in explaining thoughts.

Was large (mag 6.2) quake in Bolivia short while ago. Very deep. Please see my posts on quakewatch thread, pages 380 and 381 I think. See also my post here on previous page where I mention my concerns with Bolivia.

(Maybe someone can link to pages if you would be so kind.)

I'll try to visit tomorrow.

Regards,

Mike

reply to post by JustMike


I am impressed, and I will be waiting for more predictions. Just glad that it was deep and hopefully did not cause any damage.

Link to info about Bolivia quake:

Quake Watch 2011

Links to JustMike's posts re Bolivia

Quake Watch 2011

Quake Watch 2011

reply to post by onthelookout

Nicely stated.

I feel that fundamentally, all energy is the same, it simply manifests itself to us in various ways. In other words, all these different forms of energy that we know are really manifestations of one single thing. To elaborate, over a period of time we have come to recognize and detect several forms of energy and given them names and been able to describe their characterisitics, effects and interactions. We have devices to detect and produce visible light and other EMR such as IR and UV, gamma rays, x rays, and so forth; we now know that we are being constantly bombarded with various forms of energy all the time, including "radio waves" from space; we know about gravity, magnetism and electrical charges.

The list goes on, but in many cases, we are only aware of these manifestations of energy and/or their interactions (or otherwise) with our surroundings because we have devices that can detect them. It therefore begs the question: what other manifestations of energy may exist, but are not yet known by science because there is no way to reliably detect them or even detect them at all? Is it possible that we, as living beings, may be able to detect some "types" or manifestations of energy that are still not being detected by any man-made device?

I think the answer is yes.

Is it unreasonable to believe that life itself is not just another manifestation of the same, fundamental "thing" we call energy? I hope not, because that is my belief. And if my belief is correct, then seeing as many other forms of energy interact and affect one another, could it be that our energy basis (life) is able to interact with others that include such elements as time?

My feeling is that while time cannot exist without energy, conversely, energy can exist without time. If energy is eternal (as it's said it cannot be created or destroyed) then by definition it is not time-dependent. (This is a flawed argument but I hope it will do for now)

Consider the "Bolivia" example in my previous posts. Back on November 17, I had written a post on the quakewatch thread, then after posting I was checking the world quake maps on USGS when quite suddenly, the word "Bolivia" appeared. To me, it looked as it it were in the air immediately above that world map. In red, to be exact.

I know from past experience that when I see a place name in this kind of context it sometimes indicates that there will be a quake in that region within the next few days. Generally, within around three days but sometimes up to a week. (Never had one go longer than that.) However, the quake needs to be significant for that region. For example, if I were ever to get "California" it would have to be something far larger than the relatively common mag 3 or 4 quakes they get there.

But this time it was Bolivia. I knew that this part of the world gets its share of quakes, so it needed to be significant enough in some way to warrant special attention. And so I posted that note on quakewatch. When nothing had happened 3 days later I began to get rather concerned because my feeling was still strong that something was due there. Hence my post here.

And then the quake happened.

As it turns out, that quake was the largest very-deep quake in that region of Bolivia (within a 200 km radius) since at least 1978. (Puterman posted the data on the quakewatch thread.)

Consider that: the largest deep quake in that area in well over 30 years. And consider also that the Bolivia quake on Nov 22 (now confirmed as a mag 6.6) was the biggest one anywhere in the world (at any depth) since a mag 6.9 near Taiwan on Nov 8.

The largest quake in the world in 14 days, and in the country I stated. If you want to try for a big quake prediction by chance, you're far better off going for somewhere in the "hotter" parts of the ring of fire, Like Indonesia, Taiwan, around Japan, places like that. Bolivia is not a good choice.

But I didn't "choose" it. I saw it. To me, it was "indicated". In fact, in virtually every prediction in this thread where I said "I have indications for a quake at (X)", I meant that I had "seen" that place, exactly as I "saw" Bolivia.

I suspect that what I see is somehow related to energy that exists in a form that is not commonly understood or accepted -- but that is still perceptible. I believe that time may be a variable component of some forms of energy that are perhaps associated with large energy movements of some quakes. Time is distorted, or if you like, it "leaks" across the continuum so we sense it before it is "normally" sensed.

If we could find how to mimic this ability to "see" these time-distortions artificially, we could detect many future quakes.

I've been racking my brains trying to figure out how. Any suggestions (or rebuttals) are welcome.

Mike

reply to post by PacificBlue and also to post by rbkruspe

Many thanks to both of you for your comments, and also to PacificBlue for providing those links.

As for predictions, mine fall into three categories. The ones where I have "indications" (as I explain in my post above) tend to be the most successful. Then there are those with traces or hints of indications. They're not strong but they attract my interest and I start digging for any physical correlations. They are okay but not so effective. Finally, there are those that are based solely on observation of potential physical interactions. I do very few of these as they tend to bomb pretty badly.

I've tried to be diligent and normally post my "misses" as well as my "hits". I prefer to have them on record.

And here's an odd thing. Even when I get a very strong "indication" and then post on that basis alone, I don't always get a result. Some are total misses (ie nothing happens in the stated time window), others seem to "scatter" to some degree and instead of one larger quake in the expected region they get several smaller ones or even a whole bunch of them. My prediction for Greece last year (have to check dates for posts) worked out that way. Still others come in slightly late, which irks me mightily.

The ones with very strong indications are sometimes almost creepy. I get the location, even with latitude and longitude, the expected magnitude range, and a pretty precise time window. The inland Alaska quake of a couple years back was one of those. The one for the Kuril Islands also was, because I got the "time leak" (indicator) prior to doing my study of the physical correlations and making the prediction post. And as it turned out, it came in bang on target for location, magnitude and time window. (Three days in that case.)

Back when I posted that Kuril Islands case and also the follow-on explanation for it after it happened I said very little about the "esoteric" aspect and basically downplayed it. The reason is simply that I didn't want to creep people out. The physical side of it was enough on its own, really, but the fact is, because I "saw" the details beforehand I knew that quake was very likely -- well before I even did the study and worked out the physical effects and wrote up the post based on them.

However, times have changed. I feel now it's necessary to bring the "esoteric" to the fore as it may hold some vital keys to our understanding of the various ways we perceive what is around us. So, I'm saying a lot now that I barely hinted at in the past 3 years or more in this thread.

Why? Here's the problem: I can't force these "indication" events. I either "see" one or I don't. Most annoying. That's why I hope we can figure a way to detect whatever energy it is that enables me and others to "see" these things. It is my firm belief that there is a physical basis to all of this and that many can do the same thing. I know that others see them too, but very few are willing to say so openly. And rbkruspe, I agree: we tend to get labelled as nuts or something if we state plainly what we sense.

I no longer care if people want to label me and I expect you feel the same way. I'm worried about something far more important than how I'm personally perceived. The thing is, sooner or later there will be another major event and as (normal) time passes, the odds of one being within the US increase. This concerns me because the level of preparedness in some of the more likely regions is not what it should be -- and especially if there is a major Casacadia event and related tsunami, the casualities could be far greater than for any previous natural disaster in the entire history of the US. Bar none.

So, whatever can be done to try and alleviate human losses is worth doing. I believe that working together, we might be able to do something.


By the way, if anyone would like links to the previous predictions I've mentioned here (or also some others I haven't), then I'll dig them up and post them.

Best regards,

Mike

Having some pretty substantial 'ear buzzing' right now.
Husband is having chest pains.
Incoming???
Almost 2 AM here, but don't want to go to bed, want to keep one eye on USGS!!!

Okay, so less than 3 1/2 hours after I posted, Puerto Rico had their 5.2, & was perking with quite a few smaller ones.
Less than 5 1/2 hours after posting, New Guinea had a 6.4 & there were a couple of other 5's.

Is there a connection? Closer moderate one? Or bigger, more distant one? Or is it a combo platter???
My ears are still buzzing off & on today. More in the works, or continuing vibes from PR?

If I may be so bold as to offer a suggestion. If we think there is a connection after we post an observation, to copy the USGS page to show the activity for that time period. In going back over the thread, when there were a number of people experiencing things at the same time, it would have been helpful to be able to look at a list for that day, instead of trying to look it up later.

It would be especially valuable if we try to make connections after the 7 day list is gone. We may be able to see specific patterns in hind sight.

Or does USGS keep a complete list of past daily eqs somewhere that I haven't run across yet?

Mon Nov 28 17:50:30 UTC 2011

MAG UTC DATE-TIME y/m/d h:m:s LATdeg LONdeg DEPTHkm Region

MAP 2.8 2011/11/28 16:53:20 32.162 -115.260 9.6 BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO
MAP 5.1 2011/11/28 15:06:52 25.173 97.582 37.1 MYANMAR-CHINA BORDER REGION
MAP 3.1 2011/11/28 14:42:15 63.861 -148.849 107.8 CENTRAL ALASKA
MAP 5.3 2011/11/28 14:27:57 -5.549 153.662 56.5 NEW IRELAND REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA
MAP 3.3 2011/11/28 13:57:26 19.151 -66.771 24.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 6.4 2011/11/28 12:26:49 -5.532 153.680 50.4 NEW IRELAND REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA
MAP 3.4 2011/11/28 12:06:43 19.110 -66.809 36.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 2.9 2011/11/28 11:16:32 19.096 -66.779 55.8 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 3.1 2011/11/28 10:57:09 19.120 -66.794 19.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 2.9 2011/11/28 10:56:14 19.082 -66.762 56.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 3.0 2011/11/28 10:53:27 19.123 -66.782 25.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 2.9 2011/11/28 10:50:10 19.108 -66.764 15.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 3.5 2011/11/28 10:47:16 19.134 -66.798 20.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 5.2 2011/11/28 10:35:57 19.098 -66.747 15.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 5.8 2011/11/28 09:13:11 -7.005 116.997 613.0 BALI SEA
MAP 2.5 2011/11/28 08:51:38 38.835 -122.775 2.3 NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
MAP 3.1 2011/11/28 07:32:45 19.041 -66.789 12.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 3.3 2011/11/28 06:53:06 19.132 -66.818 22.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 2.9 2011/11/28 06:43:52 18.203 -66.249 15.0 PUERTO RICO
MAP 3.2 2011/11/28 06:42:23 18.241 -66.258 7.9 PUERTO RICO
MAP 2.8 2011/11/28 06:28:35 40.324 -124.444 6.9 OFFSHORE NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
MAP 3.2 2011/11/28 05:48:30 19.056 -66.818 12.8 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 4.7 2011/11/28 05:42:52 17.996 -62.538 24.9 SAINT MARTIN REGION, LEEWARD ISLANDS
MAP 2.8 2011/11/28 05:28:19 19.117 -66.788 28.6 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 3.2 2011/11/28 05:21:21 19.148 -66.813 28.1 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 3.1 2011/11/28 05:16:40 19.073 -66.784 34.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 2.9 2011/11/28 05:12:10 19.111 -66.799 29.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 3.5 2011/11/28 05:07:50 19.125 -66.789 17.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 4.9 2011/11/28 04:56:22 19.099 -66.784 12.0 PUERTO RICO REGION
MAP 4.7 2011/11/28 04:28:41 -5.356 145.483 68.8 EASTERN NEW GUINEA REG, PAPUA NEW GUINEA
MAP 2.5 2011/11/28 03:36:39 35.395 -117.826 4.8 SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
MAP 4.9 2011/11/28 03:33:35 -16.352 67.259 10.0 MID-INDIAN RIDGE
MAP 4.9 2011/11/28 01:44:18 -24.647 -179.790 506.8 SOUTH OF THE FIJI ISLANDS
MAP 4.7 2011/11/28 01:24:54 -5.689 154.873 146.3 BOUGAINVILLE REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA

Source: USGS

Been a while since I posted in here and thought I would update. I have had several episodes of ear ringing since my last, but zero feeling of anything big.

It always feels like something is buiding nowadays, but nothing like right now at all.

Hope all is well with everyone.

Peace

Happy holidays to those special people who post in here. I wish all of you the best!

And topic related...I have not felt anything for the last week, except for drained. But I think that is from trying to get ready for Christmas with my four kids than anything preternatural, lol.

Peace to all!

Hey everybody! Just posting here to get it documented but for a long time I have felt there was some loose correlation between solar flares (and especially magnetic filament collapses) and earthquake activity on Earth. In the past three days or so, there has been both a filament collapse and an M3 flare with Earth-direct CME (last night).

if there is anything to this theory of mine - which there may not be - then I would expect a significant amount of seismic activity in the next 72 hours or so. That could be a series of 6+ or one larger one.

Again, just a pet theory of mine and I am not trying to fear monger. I very well may be wrong here.

To those discussing tinnitus (ringing in ears).. I have had constant tinnitus since I arrived in the midwest for the holidays last week. At first I dismissed it as some pressure imbalance in my ears from flying but it has been pretty constant for a week now and may even be getting worse. I still suspect normal causes (congestion and the like) but thought I would mention it anyway. (The tinnitus is more like high pitched white noise with an underlying specific high pitched tone underneath.)

We're having some pretty strong ear ringing off & on tonight too. Almost constant right now.

No, it's not holiday 'cheer' related!!!

Originally posted by nydsdan
if there is anything to this theory of mine - which there may not be - then I would expect a significant amount of seismic activity in the next 72 hours or so. That could be a series of 6+ or one larger one.

MAP 6.6 2011/12/27 15:21:56 51.858 95.825 6.9 SOUTHWESTERN SIBERIA, RUSSIA

Well, that is along the lines of what I was expecting - for a start. Very shallow (6.9km) and pretty strong. The location is not exactly common, but not unheard of either.

Since this thread is about alternative methods of earthquake prediction, I'll go on a limb and mention that the antipode of the Russia quake is near Chile. Also worth noting is a second CME is on the way (the first is still en route). Personally, I believe the quakes usually happen prior to the CME getting to Earth - but that is just me. In any event, the 72 hour window is down to 48 hours so let's see if more 6+ quakes pop off in the next 48 hours. Both CMEs arrive to Earth on the 28th/29th - the first is a glancing blow, the second being more of a direct hit. Neither is expected to do much in terms of solar storms or satellite/electronic disruption however I am more interested in the geological effect.

We're having strong symptoms again tonight!

I'm having steady, loud ringing in my left ear.
And a new one... an off & on 'pulse' in my right ear! Never had that before!

Hubby says he feels worse than before the 6.6 the other night!
Sure hope it's a coincidence!!!

It has been weeks and weeks since I have felt anything strong, or really worth reporting...

all of the signs that I go by I am feeling right now.

One thought keeps coming to my mind though...I am wondering if these feelings have anything to do with the CME that is hitting now. I know it is a weak one, but in going through older posts of my own, I noticed that about half of these "strong" feelings are within a few days of stronger solar activity...hmmm.

Peace to all

reply to post by lasertaglover


Strong ear ringing.

Hmm.

Still some ear ringing. Not as bad as before, but it's been off & on for over a week now! The 'pulse' in my right ear just started up again as I'm typing! (Maybe it's stray voltage from my computer!!!!)

All the major players are in place again too.
Within the last 24 hours......
South America, New Guinea / New Zealand, Indonesia & Japan.

The four dominoes!!! That's usually not a good sign!
Time will tell!

reply to post by wasobservingquietly

Hello WOQ and everyone else, sorry I've been away from this thread for a while but sometimes I need to take a break from the quake side of posting.

People, I'm getting indications for Memphis (TN). (For any new readers, "indications" means there could be an earthquake in the stated region.) While it could be the city Memphis itself, it could also refer to that general region. Memphis, being the major city there, would be the one in most news report bylines.

Possible magnitude: I feel that if a quake occurs there within a fairly short space of time -- up to say five days from now -- then it will have to be significant enough to make the MSM news reports. This does not mean it has to be a massive event, but I'd say that it would have to be around a mag 5 or bigger to count as anything of significance.

Mike