Bush warns Syria, Iran over Lebanon violence

Bush warns Syria, Iran over Lebanon violence

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WASHINGTON (AFP) — US President George W. Bush on Monday warned Iran and Syria that the international community would not allow Lebanon to fall under foreign domination through their proxies again.

"I strongly condemn Hezbollah's recent efforts, and those of their foreign sponsors in Tehran and Damascus, to use violence and intimidation to bend the government and people of Lebanon to their will," Bush said in a statement.

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Sounds like Bush is going to get tougher with Iran. I also read the USS Coal (edition.cnn.com...), a missile frigate was sent to the area.

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Cole has been in the area for a while, and is just showing that our eyes are on the situation. The US is unlikely to intervene directly in Lebanon - our past misadventures there have been costly and particularly effective.

I think even Bush is smart enough to realize US involvement is going to make things harder for Siniora and convince more Lebanese to support Hezbollah.

The crisis has actually eased in the last two days, with Lebanon's army stepping in and negotiating directly with Hezbollah. Several areas previously occupied by Hezbollah have now been handed over peacefully to Lebanese Army control.

Hezbollah is basically bargaining hard for a greater share of power in the Lebanese coalition government, and Western backed elements are resisting them. Hezbollah, despite the brave rhetoric, knows it from experience will be unable to win a Lebanese civil war.

Originally posted by jasonhb

Bush warns Syria, Iran over Lebanon violence

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WASHINGTON (AFP) — US President George W. Bush on Monday warned Iran and Syria that the international community would not allow Lebanon to fall under foreign domination through their proxies again.

"I strongly condemn Hezbollah's recent efforts, and those of their foreign sponsors in Tehran and Damascus, to use violence and intimidation to bend the government and people of Lebanon to their will," Bush said in a statement.

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Related News Links:
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english.a larabonline.org

"to use violence and intimidation to bend the government"
When did Hizbollah use violence to bend the government?? They are peacefully demonstrating which they have the right under a democratic law. Another excuse to attack Iran, in recent weeks these excuses will intensify in my opinions.

So, I take it you think it's okay to take up arms and kill people to get your way? Hmm...peaceful demonstration huh... what kind of crack are you smoking?

"The protests are being portrayed in much of the Western media as a sectarian battle", this is why individuals like you seem to believe that Hezbollah took arms against it's own people. Hezbollah is peacefully demonstrating and even right now against the "corrupt western backed government". They have every right to do so, and these are internal matters which should't fall victim to the America proxy wars and let's hope it doesn't.

Originally posted by Ownification

"The protests are being portrayed in much of the Western media as a sectarian battle", this is why individuals like you seem to believe that Hezbollah took arms against it's own people. Hezbollah is peacefully demonstrating and even right now against the "corrupt western backed government". They have every right to do so, and these are internal matters which should't fall victim to the America proxy wars and let's hope it doesn't.

I have a friend who is a Professor at American University in Beirut. People who actually live in the region, as opposed to, oh message board experts, don't paint quite as rosy a picture of Hezbollah. Some of us need to wake up and fast.

reply to post by Night Watchman


Some would be keyboard warriors here are just thrilled anytime something like this happens so they can blame it all on the West and Israel.

www.washingtonpost.com...

Violence Paralyzes Beirut for Second Day
5 Dead After Speech By Hezbollah Leader Reignites Fighting

BEIRUT, May 8 -- Fierce clashes continued for a second day in Lebanon after the leader of the Shiite Hezbollah movement accused the government of declaring war on his party.

Lebanon's political crisis deepened this week after the government announced it would dismantle a Hezbollah telecommunications network and reassign a Shiite army officer in charge of security at Beirut's international airport.

After a relatively calm morning, clashes worsened Thursday afternoon following a speech and news conference by Hezbollah's secretary general, Hasan Nasrallah, who said the party would defend its communications system.

"The government's decisions were a declaration of war, and we have to defend our weapons. . . . Weapons will be used to defend the weapons," he said, demanding that the "black gang" -- a reference to the government -- withdraw its "dark decisions."

Pretty clear who started the shooting, cough hezbollah terrorists cough

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by Ownification

"The protests are being portrayed in much of the Western media as a sectarian battle", this is why individuals like you seem to believe that Hezbollah took arms against it's own people. Hezbollah is peacefully demonstrating and even right now against the "corrupt western backed government". They have every right to do so, and these are internal matters which should't fall victim to the America proxy wars and let's hope it doesn't.

I have a friend who is a Professor at American University in Beirut. People who actually live in the region, as opposed to, oh message board experts, don't paint quite as rosy a picture of Hezbollah. Some of us need to wake up and fast.

How do you want us to portray Hizbollah?? The first thing that would come to your mind, if you have watched alot of FOX news is "terrorism" fire breathing terrorists, they don't support American policies sooooooooo they are fire breathing terrorists. The currect government supports America soooooooooooo they must be portrayed as rosy....
socialistworld.net...

Message board experts Message board experts get their information from reliable sources, just like your good ol professor buddy.... Soooo what does your good ol pal tell you about Hizbollah?

"The eruption of long-simmering tensions appeared to be triggered by the government's decision this week to confront Hezbollah by declaring its private communications network illegal and replacing the Beirut airport security chief for alleged ties to the terrorists." www.nysun.com...

Pretty obviouse whos to blame cough cough, the "corrupt western-backed government" cough.

We should eschew simple answers based on our ideological preconceptions, and look at the situation realistically.

And even a quick look at the situation would show that neither Hezbollah nor the Siniora government are squeaky-clean or innocent.

On the other hand neither side seems to be chomping at the bit for a real civil war either.

This "crisis" has been heavy on drama and so far pretty light on casualties.
Lets hope it stays that way.

Originally posted by Ownification

How do you want us to portray Hizbollah?? The first thing that would come to your mind, if you have watched alot of FOX news is "terrorism"

fire breathing terrorists, they don't support American policies sooooooooo they are fire breathing terrorists. The currect government supports America soooooooooooo they must be portrayed as rosy....
socialistworld.net...

Message board experts

Message board experts get their information from reliable sources, just like your good ol professor buddy.... Soooo what does your good ol pal tell you about Hizbollah?

You make a lot of assumptions. Do you base those on information you get from your reliable sources? I don't watch Fox News. I also don't believe I said anything that would lead an intelligent person to think I support the current gov't in Lebanon.

Tell you what, my poor brainwashed and utterly ill informed friend, you identify those "reliable sources," that you have and I will share with you what my friend tells me about Hezbollah.

Deal?

Oh so you think it is ok for a foreign country to create an armed force inside another country then that force goes about creating its own communications network, tries to overthrow the Govt. by force and the ELECTED Govt. is the bad one? Why? Oh yeah because they are supported by the US and the West. Well hell that just makes them evil beyond words....

And in all that you quoted and I quoted and read, tell me....if you will actually be honest, who STARTED the shooting?


Cough Cough, the terrorists, hezbollah, cough cough.

The whole thing started when Israel invaded Lebanon and stayed there. But really the whole thing started when Israel was created. But really really it all started when little friends zionists funded Hitler. And what pissed off Iraqis and Iranians was when their governments were overthrown by the USA. That sure helped the whole peace thing in the area.

But peace isn't making money for the military. So, let's create wars! Uneducated, oppress and desperate people will always fight for causes!

[edit on 13-5-2008 by Vitchilo]

Yes, a free democratic society supporting a free democratic society and elections. Hizbollah is an arm of Iran. They can't possibly want free elections that I can see hence the takeover via proxy Iran. What is so bad about a freely elected government? Is that western and evil? cough...(bullhseet)

The last thing Iran wants - ever again - is a strong, unified Iraq. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a veteran of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War, remembers well the carnage, including the loss of 300,000 Iranian lives at Iraqi hands.

On top of that, Iran has no desire to see real freedom and democracy blossom in Iraq. Talk about an ideological threat to the repressive Iranian regime!

Tehran is already struggling to keep the lid on a simmering pot of social discontent; it doesn't need a "bad" political example right next door, turning up the heat that might push dissent to the boiling point.

Working both ends (that is, the Sunni and Shia) against the middle (that is, the Iraqi central government) will surely stifle Iraq's development toward a stable, fully-fledged democracy.

None of Iran's machinations should surprise us. Iran likes to get others to do its dirty work. Fighting by proxy is its M.O. That's why it's been such an active state sponsor of terrorism.

ummmmm here's 1/3 of Hezbollah's manifesto:
"To permit all the sons of our people to determine their future and to choose in all the liberty the form of government they desire. We call upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government which alone is capable of guaranteeing justice and liberty for all. Only an Islamic regime can stop any future tentative attempts of imperialistic infiltration onto our country."
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by jasonhb
The last thing Iran wants - ever again - is a strong, unified Iraq. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a veteran of the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq War, remembers well the carnage, including the loss of 300,000 Iranian lives at Iraqi hands.

On top of that, Iran has no desire to see real freedom and democracy blossom in Iraq. Talk about an ideological threat to the repressive Iranian regime!

Tehran is already struggling to keep the lid on a simmering pot of social discontent; it doesn't need a "bad" political example right next door, turning up the heat that might push dissent to the boiling point.

Working both ends (that is, the Sunni and Shia) against the middle (that is, the Iraqi central government) will surely stifle Iraq's development toward a stable, fully-fledged democracy.

None of Iran's machinations should surprise us. Iran likes to get others to do its dirty work. Fighting by proxy is its M.O. That's why it's been such an active state sponsor of terrorism.

I still don't know where you get your information from

"BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iran supports the Iraqi government in its fight against militants, the head of a delegation from Iraq's ruling Shi'ite alliance said on Saturday after returning from a visit to Tehran."
www.reuters.com...

Stop watching FOX news duuuuude

Originally posted by US Monitor
Oh so you think it is ok for a foreign country to create an armed force inside another country then that force goes about creating its own communications network, tries to overthrow the Govt. by force and the ELECTED Govt. is the bad one? Why? Oh yeah because they are supported by the US and the West. Well hell that just makes them evil beyond words....

And in all that you quoted and I quoted and read, tell me....if you will actually be honest, who STARTED the shooting?


Cough Cough, the terrorists, hezbollah, cough cough.

The whole world except 6 countries believes Hizbollah is a "legitimate resistance movement". en.wikipedia.org...

They never try to overthrow the government lol, at least not by force, they are using their democratic rights to demonstate against the current government which does not give a doo doo about it's people. Only certain people are favoured by this government and only they are being supported, forgetting about the rest of the country. This is the reason for recent protest against the government.

Who started the shooting?? I never said who started the shooting I only stated how the whole thing started. You claimed that Hizbollah started the shooting which in return you hold the burden of proof. You bring me sources claiming Hizbollah started attacking Lebanese citizen for what ever reason. It's your job to do that not mine. Fire breathing terrorist lol

Originally posted by Night Watchman

You make a lot of assumptions. Do you base those on information you get from your reliable sources? I don't watch Fox News. I also don't believe I said anything that would lead an intelligent person to think I support the current gov't in Lebanon.

Tell you what, my poor brainwashed and utterly ill informed friend, you identify those "reliable sources," that you have and I will share with you what my friend tells me about Hezbollah.

Deal?

I only made one assumption and did so rightfully.

Deal...

My sources tell me that Hizbollah is a legitamite resistance force in Lebanon against the Israeli occupation of Lebanon, Syria and Palestine. My sources tell me that Hezbollah is the only powerfull force in Lebanon which can protect it self from Israel. My sources tell me, not all, but most military actions which Hizbollah has taken towards whome ever has done so based on self defence. My sources tell me that Palestinians too portray Hizabollah as their protection against Israeli illegal occupations. www.independent.ie...

My sources tell me that all Muslim states are in a state of colonies, controlled by the US or certain western countries. My sources tell me that Hizbollah does not want Lebanon to be one of these colonies with dictators who would basically bow to the US. My sources will even give you examples, "Saudi Royal Family, Jordanian Heshmite Royal family, Egyptian dictator Mubark", and many more. My sources tell me that America and certain western countries never focus on the inhumane activities which is widespread in these Arab or Muslim countries which American backed dictators are rulling.

My sources tell me that if a government is backed by America in a Muslim country, Muslim people will not support them, that's the exact reason why all American backed governments are dictators.

My sources are Wekipedia, encyclopedia and independant news.

Now tell us all what the professors has to say.