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Originally posted by peterwilson_69
reply to post by Star Ranger
I track satellites for a living using multi-million dollar telescope, camera and laser equipment (plus about a bazillion other high-tech gadgets most people will never get to see or use). I'm talking the seriously complicated stuff like deformable mirrors coupled to sodium guide stars. You can't buy this stuff off the shelf; you've got to manufacture it yourself!
We can't see the detail John Lenard Walson is claiming to see so easily.
The best an advanced amateur astronomer could hope to see (and be grateful to see), is a blob of circular light while the target is sun-illuminated at dawn and dusk.
But let's give John the benefit of the doubt. That he has some fantasic new system. He is still a fraud and the answer is staring everyone in the face in every single video he (f/t)akes.
In order to track an object, you must know where it 'will be' in the future and not where it 'has been'. Anyone that argues otherwise is a fool.
In order to track a satellite, John must be getting his satellite predictions from someone that already knows of it's existance, it's launch date, owner, payload, etc. and all of this will be encoded into the satellite ID in the first line of his two line elements.
Case closed. You heard it from a professional. Now can we move on please... there's nothing to see here.
[edit on 14-5-2008 by peterwilson_69]
Originally posted by gauncents
GridKeeper does not live in the USA. If he were to travel here for $5000 US? He would probably lose money on the deal. If you haven't heard...The American Dollar is useless.
Originally posted by mattguy404
Great post. Walson's videos are the main reason I joined ATS after reading a thread that debunked them for me.
Originally posted by triplesod
Originally posted by mattguy404
Great post. Walson's videos are the main reason I joined ATS after reading a thread that debunked them for me.
That wasn't for you, that was for me! How very self obsessed of you!
I'm sure this has already been said, so I'm no doubt repeating someone else's thoughts here but, would you (Star Ranger - StRanger) be willing to pay Gridkeeper's travel expenses from London to Cali? And maybe put him up for a night or two?
If so and if you really are legit, then, good on ya! It really is an offer he/they cannot refuse, well, I suppose they can refuse it if they think they would be exposed but... well... that well, they wouldn't so much as have to consider that... would they??
For the record, I always thought GridKeeps vids were fascinating and I don't actually believe he is taking part in hoax, at least not purposely. I think the objects have maybe been mislabelled.
EDIT: Also mate. You may want to clear up for him exactly what the reaction from you will be if he proved wrong/fake.
GK could be worried about the outcome of that, for all he knows, you and your mates might put him on his arse.
[edit on 14-5-2008 by triplesod]
For a science guy, that's pretty closed-minded!
It's strange that you can see atmospheric disturbance in the lunar videos but not in the ones of the "Mystery Machines".
there is nothing "patentable" about what he is doing... He says that he just point's ithe scope at a "dim star"
I am assuming that it must be stationary
You look at this stuff, should we see stars behind the "Mystery Machines" as well?
What do you use a guide star for when tracking LEO objects?
Perhaps he is using the dim stars as reference for video equipment that overlays another image of his choosing. I think there's already a consumer device on the market that does something like this... certainly not new technology by a long shot.
Stationary either on a celestial or a local grid. He’s gone back and shot the same ones in daylight. Then again, they could be in geo-stationary orbit. Some look like the Keyhole Sats but I haven’t seen on in at least 20 years. Most of these space images DO look like satellites only stretcched out. I have a program called Starry Nights that will supposedly track satellites but of course, it has a dataiase and can calculate an ephemeris and track it.
Stationary with respect to what?