If New Free Country existed would you move?

Absolutely. I would be on the first boat/ship/train/whatever to this new, freedom loving nation.

I would look back and give a giant flip of 2 middle fingers to this nation that lives under the delusion that it is "free".

On a sidenote, I would be more than happy to erase any IRS agents who came after me for owing "taxes" like they do to other people who renounce their U.S. citizenship.

Originally posted by rikriley
reply to post by Anti-Tyrant

 

It is not necessarily the 100 acres that is great, but it is what you do with that 100 acres of land.
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I was actually planning on just roaming about, but your ideas seem reasonable.

I suppose we could put some roads down at the very least, so my land isn't acting as an obstacle to my fellow free-dominians.

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There you go you are already thinking about how to help your fellow man or woman on your new land in your new country, Freedom. It is all about helping one another living in a peaceful coexistence and if that means giving your neighbor free passage by building a road on your land so be it. Rik Riley

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Exactly, it is this idea that one is restricted to a single place called a 'home' that drives us apart from one another, when in reality our entire planet can be called 'home'.

Of course, it's a pretty damn big house, and the a/c occasionally goes a bit ape, but it's our home and i wouldn't trade it for anything other - even if it was made of solid bloody diamond i wouldn't trade it.

I love this planet like i do my family.

This might give you the impression i'm some sort of tree-hugging hippy, but i assure you it's quite the opposite.

The Trees are our Furniture, our aesthetic materials with which to improve our home.

The same goes for the Rock and the Oil - they can be used to improve our home.

Human society exists on Earth, and Earth exists within the Galaxy.

There is an entire universe out there and a large percentage of it is unclaimed - And because of this fact, there is a chance that one day your dream will come true, RikRiley.

He who believes in his dreams has the power to make them his reality.

p.s; Okay, just realised i went a bit over-board with the whole purity of thought thing there, sorry.

For those saying a free country is impossible and will never happen:

Perhaps you are confusing country with civilization? The aboriginals of OZ look damn free to me! muhaha. Anyways, never say never. Dream it into being!

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To the OP,

100 acres!?

Dude I'll take swamp land if it's 100 acres...

That's plenty enough room to shield and fortify myself from my neighbors if it ends up not being a free country

In all seriousness. I am tempted to buy a big houseboat and sail into International Waters to start a little Utopian community. Water World ftw!

I'd either stay put or head to some already isolated place on the thought that millions of people would attempt to or actually reach this new free country. Lots of people headed to this new place would decrease the amount of things each person can do or have (I.E. More people, less land available in order to keep things fair...etc). While in the "old" world prices would decrease and land available would increase, you would probably be given incentives to do things like farming and other activities meaning (that is if anyone stays from the Governments or if anyone from the stayers takes over from them).

It's kind of funny watching people run away from their problems. Maybe that is why politicians take advantage of their people, because after they become trusted they can do what they see fit without question. The way I see it is, you can run while all your friends and family suffer, or you can take back your country by any means necessary. The choice would by yours to make.

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The irony of that statement is that this Country was formed by people running away from their problems i.e running away from British rule.

**edited to add: and by "this Country" I meant USA Guess what I said doesn't necessarily apply to Canada

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Originally posted by ElectricUncleSam
I'd consider it, but then I might just consider hiding out in the US because chances are the NWO wouldn't allow a country called Freedom to even exist... Sorry, but sometimes I have to be realistic... If there was no threat of being attacked for having the freedom then yes, of course, who wouldn't?

They may take what is external, but they cannot take that which is within...your peace.
(And that is what scares them the most - once you go inside, you come out on the other side and realize they dont really have control - even externally.)

Peace

dAlen

Actually, several countries do not have any kind of income tax, and they are as free as america should be.

One of these places is the Cayman islands.

No tax, great healthcare, education and all you really pay is 10$ a month to a fund for elderly and handicapped.

I will be moving there my self some day.

And cayman islands arent the only place like that. Theres actually quite alot!

Running away from a land that is free where thousands of fellow Americans sacrificed their lives and blood to keep this great country here for all of us. It sounds like all of you are a bunch of gimme, gimme generation cry babies who don't want to work hard and fight for something. If you want a hundred acres of land then work your butt off and buy it. Nothings free unless you earn it and work hard to keep it. Gimme, gimme, gimme, that's all I hear anymore. No wonder our country is sinking. Everybody wants everything given to them. It doesn't work that way and should never work that way. Keep dreaming if you want. I'll stay right here in the good olé' USA.

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Actually there is no need for personal wage/income tax. Nearly everything from petrol to tobacco is taxed, there is corporate taxes, and a million other taxes that raise significant amount of revenue. All your personal income tax does is pay the interest to the fed.

Before 1913 in USA there was most of the social infrastructure you mentioned but no personal income tax.




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If it was Socialist, gladly!

I'd be there in a heartbeat if it were open to more than just people of USA.

I live in New Zealand.. it's nice and yes if you get outta the few cities we have it's a slice of paradise.

With 100 acres I'd work my butt off to live off the land. Self sustained... crops if needed for whatever, food storage. Minimal ecological impact and some beautiful wilderness would make me happy as possible living in synch with mother earth.

Electronics or not is the big question... maybe have a small room seperate to the house/living quaters with electronics in them and a solar setup? Can't get enough of HiFi sound ...

I don't think you will find ariable land that is open like that on this planet, However

"the meek shall inherite the earth............



.................... the rest of us shall escape to the stars

other planets are Wide open

Of course I would. I really can't imagine anyone saying no to the offer. But how would a new, "free" country sit with the rest of the world.

Originally posted by zephyrs
Of course I would. I really can't imagine anyone saying no to the offer. But how would a new, "free" country sit with the rest of the world.

The same as when the US was formed, it was called the new world. The rest of the world looked on in awe, and for a century the US was idolized as being truly free. Now, Europe looks back on the US with laughter, as it watches it destroy itself and get drunk on it's own power, and becomes a shadow of it's former self.

The irony is that, when the people left Europe and formed the United States of America, and turned it into the worlds superpower, Europe was forced to change to compete with this new great nation. It was shown what it could do if it wasn't so corrupt. And, as the EU has risen, the US has fallen. SO maybe if a new country called Freedom did exist, the rest of the world would be forced to look upon themselves once again, and to see where it has all gone wrong.

However, as nice as this all sounds, the land called Freedom will start out as it was meant to be but over time will, without realizing it, become as corrupt, if not more so, than the lands it left behind. Not because the idea was wrong, but because as people, we are all corruptable in some way, and are in many ways powerless to stop becoming corrupted. Whilst many say they would use the 100 acres to become self-sufficient and a haven for peace, others will realize the potential money to be made from the land and exploit it. That is the history of the US, and those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.

Originally posted by Solarskye
Running away from a land that is free where thousands of fellow Americans sacrificed their lives and blood to keep this great country here for all of us. It sounds like all of you are a bunch of gimme, gimme generation cry babies who don't want to work hard and fight for something. If you want a hundred acres of land then work your butt off and buy it. Nothings free unless you earn it and work hard to keep it. Gimme, gimme, gimme, that's all I hear anymore. No wonder our country is sinking. Everybody wants everything given to them. It doesn't work that way and should never work that way. Keep dreaming if you want. I'll stay right here in the good olé' USA.

What you say is not strictly true. If you look at the early history of the US, you will see that on many occasions, there were "competitions" where the pilgrims and new arrivals could literally ride out and stake a claim to land, and this is certainly the case when people started to move out west, they literally picked a place they liked and claimed it. And that is what is being theorized in this thread, basically this land called "Freedom" would be the early history of the US.

I totally agree with your point that millions of Americans, over the past centuries, have fought and died to keep this country great. But if they were alive today, do they think the country as it currently stands is the country they were fighting for? I would say not, particularly when I think of my grandparents. This is not the country, or for that matter world, they were fighting for in WWII, so did they die in vain?

The land of the free would be a great place until religion is introduced. Humans are by are very nature are destructive and controlling. The problems would start with just giving away land. Why didn't I get that 100 acres, and so it would begin. One small cancer cell that will grow over time and evolve into what we have now.

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Such a country dos exist.

It's called Australia....

Won't fins some Government pulling peoples freedom here.

Not enough Millitary to back the Government up if the people decide they don't like it..lol

Sure we got some tough & stupid laws comming in, as our Leaders try to emulate the US, but Aussies are pretty well known for not taking any crap.

So the Government here will never try to push us too far.

Thus, We'll be a much more freedom loving country long after the US has totally enslaved it's people & sent them to work in the mines...loool.