Reality is Perception!

All around me on ATS and on the streets i am seeing people who fail to understand a fundamental aspect of the human psyche...

dont get me wrong i am not a trained psycologist or the like, but i have never had to visit one either! Therefore in my opinion i am qualified to put forward what i perceive...

i have however spent a number of years teaching people how to ski and some time in the classroom teaching english, and during this time i have been offered an interesting insight into how much of an impact, ones pereceptions may have on their reality... particularly when dealing with new concpets, ideas and information.

Take a young child and an adult for example, trying to learn something new like skiing, the adult is already a huge step behind the child for a very large number of reasons, physics being one, a lower center of mass/gravity will make it easier for the child. The one i really want to bring up though is FEAR...

The adult of course is affraid, primarily affraid of injury and loss of income that could potentially come with it "i dont want to break my leg or anything, i have work next week" . The child however will not know this fear, as they have never has any serious injuries to date, and if it does cross their mind, a broken leg means time off school, watching pokemon at home, with mum bringing you cheese on toast to the sofa!

The next fear the adult will have to overcome that the child wont is the fear of failure "what if i cant do this..." , the child thus far in life has mastered most things he or she has encountered and failures have been few and far between, or at least dont have the same stigma attached to them as the failures in life we have suffered by age 30.

Attached with that fear of failure comes the fear of being ridiculed by our peers, nobody wants that!

Fear of sucess is another one the child knows nothing about, one i come accross on the snow is that some one may be affraid of sucess on the bunny slopes, as it means they will next have to go up the chairlift, and face all the same fears + more on a grander scale.

there are tons of other fears that will play on us as we try to take in new information and learn, and these fears are founded on perception, what we perceive to be real, So you fail miserably at skiing? The chances are you werent enjoying it anyway so perhaps skiing isnt for you...

I know that given enough time, and under the carefull guidance of a good tutor, 98% of the population will be able to ski, if they just let themselves!

i have brought this up because here on ATS and elsewhere i am seeing a huge number of people living in a warped reality, because unbeknown to them they have had their perceptions manipulated by various outside influences working hard to deceive us all...

We need to remember that no matter how incorrect a persons perception may be, Ultimately that perception is what forms their reality...

Therefore no matter how hard we try to change ones perceptions we are really in essence, trying to change their reality... Depending how strong a grasp they may have on that reality, most of us really dont like having our sense of reality challenged by others... If we try to remember this when attempting to enlighten our fellow man about the major issuses we as a planet face, we can save ourselves a lot of frustration and stress...

and i believe it is proven that stress is a killer.

enough said enjoy your day, and feel free to share your teaching or learning experiences here.

or just plain have a go at me!

I agree with you to a point. While changing someone's reality is difficult, it is possible. I am a college English teacher, and I know that when we have class discussions, I am not going to change everyone's mind. My purpose is to show them another side to the argument--to give them tools to make their own perceptions and realities. However, within that model, I also bring up some of the things that I learn on ATS and other websites (only those things that are properly documented, of course). Granted, I may only reach a couple of students per quarter, but it is worth the effort. The same may be said of my rantings on ATS. I may not get many to see the problems that we face, but the more we talk and the more we continue to point out the connections that are there, the better chance we have of changing the reality for all of us.

Good on you for being honest with them, thats the best thing we can do for the youth and future generations, we face leaving our children with a hell of a mess to take care of, if its not too late already.
Although any new set of eyes opened is a huge step in right direction.
I know all to well how difficult it can be to introduce some people to some of the more horrendous workings of our societies ellite and the economies and governmental factions they manipulate and control.

The way that Monsanto is bastardizing the genetic code of all the worlds major crops is one that i particularly enjoy sharing, the movie www.youtube.com... about the Monsanto corporation and the way that they have positioned themselves to quite litterally own and control the worlds major crops, and food in general.

Grrr it makes me wild!
the food thing is almost enough to put me off visiting america again, i knew something was up when i found an ingredient on the back of a frozen pizza box "titanium dioxide sulphate" apparently it is used as a white food colouring...

but WTF "titanium dioxide sulphate" theres no way that should be on pizza!!

yeah sharing wisdom and information is clutch in our battle against the system..

Its just that I always find on here that people let their egos get the better of them on here more so than real life...

reminds me of a thread about the "D-ego" or digital egos, it was on here a while back... ill paste it up as a reminder to us all.

[edit on 11/5/2008 by Zeus187]

A digital ego thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

this one is actually from mark "springer" himself...

Nice thread and well said Zeus

I enjoyed your skiing analogy, even though I'm a snowboarder

I have found myself in similar situations many times before. Although they have the same result (fear) I think it best to place them in the subgroups-

Pain and Embarrassment. (Physical and mental pain I guess)

These combine to create an even greater fear. For example, "I don't want to go up the chairlift, there are sharp rocks and everyone will laugh if I fall," stammered Hartley.

For me it has usually been one or the other. When I am trying a new trick boarding or jumping off a high cliff I am fearful of grievous bodily harm. This fear is needed for us to check ourselves before we do something dangerous. This kind of fear can also lead to incredible adrenalin rushes

I'm sure all of us have experienced the fear of embarrassment. Public speaking, sports events, being downtrousered, are all a little nerve-wracking for most of us. What I am seeing, and what I think you are getting at Zeus, is that there is a message being thrust upon us (children especially) to fear not fitting into the mold. To fear questioning the serious implications government actions are creating. Back in the day if someone spoke out against the rulers they would be ridiculed (often falsely) brought out in front of the public, naked and EMBARRASSED, and then PAINfully stoned to death (or something of the like). I can see the world heading down that path again, or at least stuck at a crossroads of liberty and tyranny.

Scarlett it is definitely worth the effort and I commend you for taking up such a daunting but ever so meaningful task.
Yes, most people are 'stuck' in their ways but there is almost always a way out. If we calmly and logically inform people of new and perhaps better ways of living and thinking, there will be more chance of reception. Ranting, raving
and force feeding opinions does nothing but confuse the situation.

Insightful post Zeus

peace

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oh yes there are many sub groups for fear, i was more looking at the ones directly related with learning...

but yeah how about that! FEAR AS A WEAPON... it has been being used against us by one another since the first weapon itself... the fist.
and no doubt the by countless other animal species before us...

like you said the fear of persecution.
its a huge issue which those of us with the knowledge will have to face, whilst deciding how, when and whom to share this wisdom with.

and you bring it up at such a valid time too,

what with the recent assasination of the DC Madam...

that sort of sends out a message or two...
....hey we had better not step up, look what happens...
but interpreted differently.... we had better all step up right now, before this gets any worse...

Sadly IHMO I have to say that things will get worse, before they get better... I say this because the next steps are already inplace to further quash human rights.

The Question is, How much wosre do things have to get before we collectively "step up" and reclaim our plant for the planet.



[edit on 12/5/2008 by Zeus187]

"other" people's reality? that's just an idea, a concept, which is another idea in itself. the only reality is NOW in YOU.

Shouldn't this be in the new Philosophy forum?

This is the kind of subject that fits perfectly in there.

The perception years ago was that the world was flat now was that delusional because everybody thought the world was flat in fact if you thought it was round you were probably seen as delusional, in fact the human mind is a strong thing and we barley use that much of it, so who's to say what is perception and what is reality.


Just the word what is nothing but a four letter word what, so the only reality is you like the poster above me just pointed out.

perhaps the author suggests that we are being under a preception/ reality control, then this thread would belong

Great thread, been pondering this myself recently and have come to a conclusion. I have considered this for a while, but I was on a thread the other day for 'Schrodinger's cat' and found a good theory there.

Originally posted by Neon Haze

If you cannot observe if a system has or has not interacted then the systems values are not set until they are observed...

There are many who would debate why this happens but no reputable scientist will state that the effect is incorrect. The phenomenon is a fact and is currently being used as the principle for Quantum computing / Cryptography...

My personal view is that all possibilities exist simultaneously, that when we observe a value we are observing only one of a multitude of other potential events in order of . That Multitude I might add is such a large number that it simply hurts to think about...


SNIP


The best way to visualise how many potential outcomes there are is the following diagram... but please try and visualise the line being trillions upon trillions upon trillions long...

Now when you observe a system and a value is set you are literally selecting One out of all those potentials...


SNIP

Simply, whatever we percieve is only one of a plethora of possibilities of what could be, considering the nature of 'duality' on the quantum scale, as well as our own observations 'effecting' the behaviour of atoms. I believe this to be quite a good analogy of what may be, a reality based on our own expectations, reflected in reality.

I hope I haven't put words in Neon haze's mouth, this last part is my take on it.

Thanks. EMM

[edit on 26-6-2008 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]

[edit on 26-6-2008 by ElectroMagnetic Multivers]

I have to agree and it is vastly over looked by people that each and every one of us live in a different reality. Not just different opinions, or different behavior but completely different reality's.

The mistake I feel we often make is that we don't accept others reality's. Now this doesn't mean that we don't want to help others, don't get me wrong, but is my reality, or yours, the right one?

People who suffer from schizphrenia for example have a different reality altogether. Because we tend to see this a "wrong" or as an "illness" we medicate them to try to change their reality to ours. I don't know if I believe their reality is wrong, maybe just different. And if you have ever been on a anti-psychotic that alone will change your reality into a non-reality, or some other form of existence.

Also colors are different for each and every one of us. We may all agree that we see a blue sky for instance, but are we really seeing the same color?? Is the sky blue cause we say it is? Well it's not if you are color blind. Does that make the color blind wrong? I think not.

The sense of what is real to each of us is so different. Thus it explains the reasons why there is so many religious fights, and wars, and arguments in the home etc...

Our perception and how we look at things is variable by our education, up bringing and experiences in life. So each of us have our own reality's. I don't know about anyone else, but I am enjoying mine right now and hopefully will continue to do so for a long time.

once we can accept other realities as valid, no matter what the content/experience, we can begin to accept the idea the there is NO SUCH THING AS OTHER. Other is just a concept.

Concepts are in your head.

We are all one. As I breathe, the air mixes with your air, and the molecules become a part of you. You are part of me and me a part of you. The body is constantly remaking itself out of the food which is grown in the world in the air in the atmosphere that is a part of us. When we try to touch things, there is no contact of anything "real" there. it is just opposing energy fields. and even that is a concept.

if others are already part of us physically, what about mentally? all we know is shaped and influenced by others. we are all influencing each other in different ways, ways we can see and in ways we cannot see or understand. if we can accept that since the beginning of time this is how it always IS, then we can also accept that there is no "ME" here, and that each of us is a walking idea/bundle of thoughts/beliefs about reality.

then we can go on to see that even the concept of "others" is in our head and that the only thing we know is NOW. all of this world is mind content. not true REALITY.

STOP. BREATHE.

..........this is reality.

there is no other.

This idea is illustrated by the double slit experiment here

www.youtube.com...

We live in a wave of possibilities. I watched what the bleep do we know. The penny did'nt really drop for me untill I saw the above video.

Really awesome thread. Just goes to show that if people get over their bloated sense of 'self' and just do what's in front of them, anything can be possible. I'm into martial arts and it is exactly the same here, if people think too much about what they are doing they can't do it, it is only the ones that can learn to truely enjoy it and do what's in front of them.

To everybody who dropped by,

cheers for your thoughts.

i stopped logging in to ATS and subsequently forgot about this thread.
sorry it was neglected.

perhaps i shall U2U you all...

[edit on 28/11/2008 by Zeus187]

reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers


great cube diagram.

i have been thinking along those lines for a long while now

OK

i have send out U2U's to you all,
i will be checking this thread daily in the hope of sparking further conversation.

dont be shy,
post a reply!

Originally posted by Zeus187
reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers

 

great cube diagram.

i have been thinking along those lines for a long while now

Yea, I was playing around with that idea for a while, and then neon haze just pretty much nailed the description, lol.

I have said this a few times on other threads, but I think it will fit in well here. Imagine seeing the world as a child again, no preconceptions of what the world is, no explanations for everything, just plain wonder and amazement. I'm not saying explanations aren't good, just that definitive answers, IMO, hinder us all more than we know.

I agree with what you where saying about the childs ignorance in regards to helping them develop and IMO, I believe it will help anyone develop. A mere acceptance of the concept that we know nothing, what we have been taught and what we hold dear as 'our knowledge' is but supposition from someone else's opinion, or perception, will help us accept the 'impossible' or unbelievable, afterall, is this not how we progress?

I believe some mad stuff, but I have never once claimed to know anything. IMO, we can use fact, to express our reality, i.e. I'm typing at my computer, but these facts are useless, beyond our own reality. The Earth orbits the Sun, where as I agree with this, I accept I do not know this, it is a personal opinion of mine, as to what reality is, to slam people for their beliefs is the height of ignorance and arrogance IMO.

Thanks for the U2U, much appreciated, this was a very good thread.

EMM

Very interesting thread. I think I should attempt to 'rework' my perception of reality.

The puppet masters are definitely trying to alter the world's perception to suit their means

Chur bruv, peace