Russian sub in fingerlakes

There is a experimental naval base newyork thats used in the Cayuga finger lake.People have even seen a russian sub in these waters.i guess they been testing subs there for years on end.. Because of its depth, Seneca Lake has been a testing site for submarines.There is still a Naval facility at Seneca Lake, the Naval Undersea Warfare Center (NUWC) Sonar test facility. Where a scale model of the sonar section of the nuclear submarine USS Seawolf (SSN 21) was tested during the development of this ship.The water is 600 feet deep might i add.

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Can't answer your question but one thing which puzzles me is why Lake Superior or lake Michigan are not used as homes to a handful of Ohio Class Trident II subs ?

After all when the Regan administration were looking at the MX Peacekeeper missile the idea was to have a pea in a pod so the enemy never knew where to pinpoint a first strike attack.

By using the great lakes to conceal ICBM subs, there is no danger from hunter killer subs. I'd be interested to hear debate or speculation about the topic.

So i thought subs are only short ranged within 2000 miles?But you do have a point.But since the end of the cold war why would they care anymore?Then again i feel there is gonna be another arms race again.russia pulling out of treaties,reinforcing thier military again and even sticking thier stuff in the red square parade again.actually the cold war never ended it was just underground for that time spand.

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The Berlin Wall may have been torn down and Moscow may have casinos and boutiques, but the Cold War never ended. The whole shebang went stealth, so to speak. Anyone who thought otherwise was only fooling himself.

I just never understood if the united states invented stealth technology why share it with other countries.i just read that in a article someplace.seems kinda stupid to me.

Originally posted by sy.gunson
Can't answer your question but one thing which puzzles me is why Lake Superior or lake Michigan are not used as homes to a handful of Ohio Class Trident II subs ?

I believe that the Great Lakes are demilitarised as a result of the War of 1812 (which we won, btw). Don't recall the name of the treaty...could it be Treaty of Utrecht? Or Ghent?

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I think the primary reason for not basing subs in the great lakes would be sooner or later youd have to have those subs go out on patrol, and it would be a long trip out to open water, and another part to tie it all together is there would be zero secrecy when you did send them out. Part of the benefit of nuclear missile boats is not knowing what they were up to, if you could watch them leave and see them in the hudson river, you would have to have a good guess it was not just a training excercise.

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I am hoping you did not think that all subs had a 2k radius? Nuclear boats can go out until they rust and fall apart. and to the person who thought the cold war never really ended..I think someone should remove your thinking priviledges! The cold war by deffinintion was a period where we were on the brink of all out war at a moments notice. There was virtually no possibility of Russia waging war effectively after 1991. They lost primary control over ICBMs, they lost vast quantities of military hardware when former USSR countries became independent, and their economy tanked. I use Chenchnya as an example...a small break away republic with ZERO resources still causes them problems. We are in more danger now than we were and yes I think an arms race may be a possibility in the near future. ONLY if we can get out of iraq soon as it is draining the money bag.

You think just because the breakup of the Soviet Union meant the end of the cold war or the use of the term meaning they are no longer a nuclear power?If you havent been watch,reading,or listening.....since then Russia has been rebuilding thier nuclear capabilities.Although exact figures are not available, it is believed that since 1992 Russia's number of tactical nuclear warheads it deploys as many as 1,174 strategic delivery systems and 3500 warheads.It is estimated that, at present, Russia would be able to launch approximately 2,100 nuclear warheads within a few minutes of the command being given.As for bombers Russia is likely to have roughly 480 air-launched cruise missiles, or ALCMs, carried on only 30 Bear H bombers and 10 Blackjack bombers.Subs As of June 2000, the Russian navy claims that it operates 25 strategic nuclear submarines carrying 2,272 nuclear warheads on 440 ballistic missiles. That force reportedly consists of 5 Typhoon-class submarines, 7 Delta-IV-class submarines, and 13 Delta-III-class submarines, but not all are currently seaworthy.

Russian navy officials reportedly believe that 12 strategic nuclear submarines with ballistic missiles represent the minimum necessary force structure.I think your right,nah they arent a nuclear problem anymore.Since bush wants to move all his missle shield in even some former warsaw locations like poland etc and Europe i dont think that would tick them off.

[edit on 20-5-2008 by alienstar]

Seneca Lake is over 700 feet deep It has been use for this purpose for years .Seneca Lake Sonar Testing

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I think you are putting to much emphasis on a small portionof the facts. I mention that russia these days has a greater organizatinal capability recently than in the past. In the years follwing the break of up the SU they had no organizational structure to do anything with what they had. The sub forces were a joke, and they still are. There are likely only 2 typhoon subs that float, and neither are sea worthy enough for a open ocean patrol! Who cares what the numbers say, operationally they are not ready. Nuclear weapons are not sit on the shelf items, they need to be maintained and properly taken care of, so the numbers say actually that russia has closer to 5600 warheads, but perhaps only 30% are operational. Russia is a threat I agree but they are not ready yet to threaten the world. I live in Russia about 40% of the year, when you cant provide hot water or enough money to pay your doctors, you are not ready to wage a war. Oh and those bear "H" bombers, they have only recently ben recommissioned in large numbes, and all these flights they and the the other bombers go on now are to trainthe pilots again! Russia has always been good at the PR game and obvioulsy it works!