Why is there a general discontent towards women?

Originally posted by orangetom1999
reply to post by DuneKnight

 

With the guy in whom she is not all that intrested for such potential..the only potential is sexual potential. She is much more free to be her natural free sexual self...where no one else can see it or measure it. She has no future earning potential at risk here..hence much more free in the sexual department.
When women percieve they have little RISK with a male..they will do and tell him many things they would consider extremely vulnurable/risky in telling their husbands or boyfriends.

sorry, orangetom1999 I know how hard you tried explaining this to me so forgive my stupidity in that field. its just the concept seems strange to me probably because i never thought about it before and thats not how i operate. Also i dont get this I thought that sexual intimacy/openness is only shared by loved ones or people who care about each other where they feel comfortable in that relationship, so how can risk management be a factor here; its supposed to be a 'secure' relationship. wont RISK be applied to people you dont know.

reply to post by DuneKnight


Firstly, that herpes advert is so deeply offensive I can't describe how it makes me feel. I'm amazed that it was allowed, and fairly certain that if it were in England the ASA would have banned it.

Secondly - I'm only 22, so a touch unsure on how things were ten years ago, but attitudes towards women are something that my (male and female) friends frequently discuss. The prevailing opinion among the men I know is that, although one might like to sleep with a slutty girl, there is no point in pursuing a long-term relationship with one, for two reasons: a) you'd never be able to trust her [idiotic, I know] b) concern that, as a man, you would not be able to "satisfy her" adequately, reinforcing the issue of trust.

Traditionally, women were expected to remain chaste until marriage, due to property being passed along patriarchal lines, i.e. with a cuckoo in the nest your wealth would be removed from your genetic off-spring. This is true of all patriarchal cultures, and has been for thousands of years; thus it is ingrained into the psyche, reinforced by everything we see around us.

It's not pretty, but it is the way things are. Mind you - I wouldn't want a man who'd slept around to much... A lack of discernment is not attractive, and reeks a little of desperation. These days, I think, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Originally posted by PiratePiPi
reply to post by DuneKnight

 

Firstly, that herpes advert is so deeply offensive I can't describe how it makes me feel. I'm amazed that it was allowed, and fairly certain that if it were in England the ASA would have banned it...
...It's not pretty, but it is the way things are. Mind you - I wouldn't want a man who'd slept around to much... A lack of discernment is not attractive, and reeks a little of desperation. These days, I think, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

I'm sorry about the ad just wanted to get my point across, but you must know thats its probably fake, actually I'm pretty sure its fake, sexism in advertising is an extreme no no.
funny note: the ads i hate are the viagra ones because they make you feel that sex cant ever happen without viagra. its as though viagra created sex.

I beg to differ about the last comment you made, I think women arent that 'strict' as men are in that area of past relations, in fact women like a guy with experience; which is the main motivation for guys to sleep around so much. guys on the other hand claim to want experience but i dont think thats what they really want.

No need to apologize for the ad - I'm offended that someone would make such a thing, not that you'd post it - and apparently gullible enough to think it might be real... I hadn't had my coffee at that point in the AM.

I haven't seen the Viagra ad - in the UK we don't have advertising for prescription medication... Not that we get a choice about what we take: only drugs passed by NICE are available on the NHS. The ads I really hate though are the ones that behave as if a man doing housework or childcare is a big deal, and something he should be praised for, rather than a normal thing. I can't remember the last time someone thanked me for hoovering.

The experience thing though... It's true most girls wouldn't want to sleep with a guy who wasn't sure which hole to put it in, but if a bloke constantly sleeps around it's not attractive either. There's a different between an experienced man, and a "something to prove" disease-ridden skank who's slept with all your friends and your sister. That goes for either sex.

I found this which i think is partially related to what we are talking about

FOXNEWS link

According to the study, which was conducted by a research agency backed by the government, French women have more than twice as many partners as they did in the 1970s. Even more shocking: One in five French men between the ages of 18 and 24 “has no interest in sex.” The study conducted 12,000 in-depth interviews with individuals of both sexes and a variety of ages.
Bottom line: women are becoming more like men.

and then there is a more comprehensive article about the same thing but it has lots of statistics that i don't understand or care about:
TIME

its always interesting to know what the french are up to. no not really.

sorry, orangetom1999 I know how hard you tried explaining this to me so forgive my stupidity in that field. its just the concept seems strange to me probably because i never thought about it before and thats not how i operate. Also i dont get this I thought that sexual intimacy/openness is only shared by loved ones or people who care about each other where they feel comfortable in that relationship, so how can risk management be a factor here; its supposed to be a 'secure' relationship. wont RISK be applied to people you dont know.

Hey ..DuneKnight..no problem here with me. I sort of thought you might have problems accepting the explaination. I hope I can enlighten you further. You are not stupid here.

Yes..the concept seems strange...no question about it. It was strange to me too until I began to change how I thought or in this case....did not think ...about women. Once I found out clearly that I gave women as a whole to much credit for certain character traits...many things began to clear up.

Your first mistake in assumption is this...

Also i dont get this I thought that sexual intimacy/openness is only shared by loved ones or people who care about each other where they feel comfortable in that relationship, so how can risk management be a factor here; its supposed to be a 'secure' relationship. wont RISK be applied to people you dont know.

While this is a valid assumption for individuals...it is not valid for a whole group. I can clearly tell you that in the case of women......when woman decides to mess around...she can be much more smooth and subtle about it than can be a man. In fact ..it is usually another women who begins to undestand that a woman is messing around..not a man.

Watch the stereotype out here...so prevalent. If all these men are out here fooling around....on thier women...with whom are they fooling around.
This kind of shoots holes in the concept that mostly men fool around?
I live very close to several military bases...what do you think happens when the men get deployed...especially the Navy Bases??? You wont see that on the evening news...yet the stories are legend around here.

My point here is that women can be very very subtle...smooth. Do not assume your templates of honor and fidelity hold. Hence your difficulty in understanding many multi dimensional concepts.

My point again is that a woman can fool around much more easily and conveniently with a man in whom she has little at risk...as long as no one sees it.

With a man in whom she has alot at stake..ie...serious risk/potential....she will tend to be more reserved. She must keep up certain appearances here.

As I said..another woman is more likely to spot this happening than a man. And women usually dont tell men this kind of thinking...or educate men in this line...the men might start to think outside the blocks in which a woman needs a man to limit his thinking.
This is how many women control men...by a mans lack of thinking and understanding about the true nature of a thing ..especially a woman.

In short..DuneKnight...not many women are fooled by other women....dont you be either.

Learn the patterns and fingerprints of how women think, value and hence how they will act. Nobility, honor and chivalry are great attributes and eagerly sought after by many. Just dont be ignorant about many things in this world.

Hope this helps,
Orangetom


[edit on 10-5-2008 by orangetom1999]