Conservatives Happier Than Liberals

Beware statisticians and their psycho-babble. This is more talking head nonsense. Who did they survey?, how did they identify themselves as liberal or conservative? where do these numb-nuts get their notions of what constitutes 'happy'. These kind of 'survey' based maxims are always at the root of massive axiomatic statements which are just chew-toys for the elite intelligencia. But hey, they got paid research dollars to do it, and they got press time..., what else matters?

reply to post by centurion1211


You may be right. That 'feeling' is what allows an individual to empathize or sympathize with others. In order for an advanced society to work those in charge must have an understanding of where all levels of that society are coming from and see things from a different perspective.

By definition, conservative means resistant to change. Many people don't want change because they're happy where they are. Those who do want change want everyone to be happy where they are. And until everyone is happy, then no one is happy.

You've been eating long enough, now stop being greedy. Keep it real partner, give to the needy.

Conservatives are stupefied and complacent. What else is new?

They don't even stand up for "governance by consent of the people" anymore.

It's all about their personal comfort. I am learning to despise Conservatives and I get in arguments in Civics and get shouted down because I insist, Conservatives are stupid.

And I'm not wrong.

Bi-partisan bickering and insults--Exactly what TPTB want. >Misdirection< to keep the masses occupied and disfocused on what this one-big-giant-party is actaully up to. Check your wallets and freedom at the door, then carry on arguing which "side" is superior.

Sigh.

I conservative to the point I don't believe the fed should exist at all and I am waaaay more "live and let live" than any self-proclaimed "liberal" I've met in the last 15 years. They all want to tell me what I am allowed to earn, what I am allowed to do with what I've earned, what I can do with my personal property and my physical body. Every which way I turn there is some yahoo identifying himself as a "live and let live liberal" trying to pass some bill to take away an aspect of my lifestyle I thoroughly enjoy. Sadly, more than half of those self-proclaimed "conservatives" are doing the same damn thing but claiming different motivations and reasons.

Living in the state I currently am I am miserable. Every year I have to call and write "liberal" legislators in my state begging them to leave me the hell alone and grind my teeth and lose sleep wondering if tomorrow I'll wake up with the same liberty I have today or if I'll ever get to experience real liberty like that experienced before the taxation that led to the Whiskey Rebellion and subsequent death of the great American experiment in my lifetime.

People can call themselves "liberal" and "conservative" all they want. The terms are relative and in only very narrowly defined ways can they be used to blanket entire groups of people.

There's nothing liberal about restricting natural rights and there's nothing conservative about spending yourself into bankruptcy yet those labeled liberal and conservative are doing those very things.

I'll be much less miserable in three weeks when I leave this state for good for more libertarian lands.

The side that is right is the side that cares for others over one's self. Or that cares of others as they would for one's self. It's not left v right, it's right v wrong.

Originally posted by gdeed

Originally posted by Gools
Is this a euphemistic way of saying conservatives have no heart, can't empathize and don't think of anybody but themselves?

It’s a way of saying that conservatives know what makes a good productive life, while liberals need big brother to make them feel safe and happy. Which never works.

Actually your incorrect a true libertarian is for small government. If you want a real taste of reality its been the "conservatives" who have been the big government advocates both for big government laws and for big government spending

Originally posted by sarcastic
Conservatives are stupid.

Is that the height of your intellectual liberalism?

Whatever makes you happy and if that's the only way you can achieve it what the heck

Originally posted by mybigunit
Actually your incorrect a true libertarian is for small government. If you want a real taste of reality its been the "conservatives" who have been the big government advocates both for big government laws and for big government spending

Welfare and military spending for the sake of freedom are expensive and republicans certainly let democrats spend more for welfare and bureaucracy to get military superiority.

Trade-offs are expensive

Originally posted by gdeed

Originally posted by mybigunit
Actually your incorrect a true libertarian is for small government. If you want a real taste of reality its been the "conservatives" who have been the big government advocates both for big government laws and for big government spending

Welfare and military spending for the sake of freedom are expensive and republicans certainly let democrats spend more for welfare and bureaucracy to get military superiority.

Trade-offs are expensive

military superiority for what? Who has invaded our shores in the past 100 years. The Japanese and they got what they had coming and the Taliban and they got their a$$ beat too. Every other war we fought was unjustified and fought in the name of policing the world. We have army bases in 140 countries why? The country wasnt started to be an empire. In fact there we a lot of reservations about the movement west because we didnt want to look like an empire. The fact is we spend way to much money being the worlds police. As far as entitlements I agree. We need to be more self reliant and Im one of the believers that Dept of Education, Fed, and IRS should all be abolished. All big bureaucracies. How many "conservatives" have you heard wanted to get rid of those government bureaucracies. Not a One. How many libertarians....well do a little research on Ron Paul. The fact is a TRUE libertarian wants small government but for some reason the media portrays it like they are the one who wants big government when it is actually the opposite.

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Still waiting for an answer to my question

I can believe this study even though I find it to be unflattering for conservatives for reasons already mentioned.

However this bickering is going on by people who really don't know what real liberals and conservatives are. It is understandable because both parties have morphed from their origins. The one thing I always keep in mind is that the founding fathers were all liberals and the constitution is written in line with true liberal ideology. That all men are created equal and deserve an equal chance at prosperity.

For someone who believes they are not being given a fair chance, I can understand why they are not happy. Everyone can prosper if they have the knowledge to do so, but not everyone is taught or brought up under the conditions to learn how. Some would see these people as being lazy and want the government to take care of them, but it was the conditions they were raised in that brought this on and is what needs to be dealt with. This should really be the goal of any party IMHO.

Liberals always seem to be angry and are quick to protest about something, somewhere at any time. They also are always anxious to spend other people's money.

Conservatives are probably happier because they generally tend to tip better and donate more to charity than do Libs.

[edit on 7-5-2008 by EarthCitizen07]

Originally posted by Hal9000
I can believe this study even though I find it to be unflattering for conservatives for reasons already mentioned.

However this bickering is going on by people who really don't know what real liberals and conservatives are. It is understandable because both parties have morphed from their origins. The one thing I always keep in mind is that the founding fathers were all liberals and the constitution is written in line with true liberal ideology. That all men are created equal and deserve an equal chance at prosperity.

For someone who believes they are not being given a fair chance, I can understand why they are not happy. Everyone can prosper if they have the knowledge to do so, but not everyone is taught or brought up under the conditions to learn how. Some would see these people as being lazy and want the government to take care of them, but it was the conditions they were raised in that brought this on and is what needs to be dealt with. This should really be the goal of any party IMHO.

Correct you said it well. I guess that is what I was trying to say in my earlier post but you said it so eloquently. I do not think people really know the definition of conservative and libertarian. The reason why is exactly what you said because both have strayed so far off their origins. Thats why I think its funny when people say the libertarians are for big government when the conservatives are the ones spending all the money and making all the big government laws.

Originally posted by TheBandit795

Originally posted by gdeed
It’s a way of saying that conservatives know what makes a good productive life, while liberals need big brother to make them feel safe and happy. Which never works.

What about neither conservatives or liberals know how to be happy, because they both don't have the slightest idea on how reality really works?

There are things that work very well, capitalism for one works wonders when applied to reducing poverty around the world.

Conservatives are far more capitalism friendly, therefore more able to not only understand the misery of poverty but also to help alleviate it.

Liberals talk about poverty but do nothing about poverty, therefore making it worse

Ignorance on how to solve most problems is a liberal thing

Today’s liberalism is not being open minded, but very close-minded

Ultra conservatives, especially the american type, have no idea what socialism or communism is thats why they are quick to label democrats or anyone leaning left as such.

I wish they paid attention when they attended high school and college because their ignorance is !

The fact of the matter is that extremsim of any kind is bad. Wake up!

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
reply to post by centurion1211

 

You may be right. That 'feeling' is what allows an individual to empathize or sympathize with others. In order for an advanced society to work those in charge must have an understanding of where all levels of that society are coming from and see things from a different perspective.

But isn't it being able to think (and actually doing it) as opposed to just feeling that's supposed to distinguish humans from lower forms of animal life? So, are you saying then that liberals are less mentally evolved?

Sure sounds like it - and you may be right.

Actually, if you live your life based on your feelings, you're probably going to feel that your life and everything else is out of control. That does kind of sound like a liberal, doesn't it - the sky is falling and we need the government to fix it. A thinking person would, instead, try to think of ways to get things under control and then go out and do it themselves.

Another related metaphor then would be that liberals are kind of like our pets - totally dependent on a "master" (the government) to take care of their every need and liking it that way. Of course that same metaphor would make conservatives to be the masters - doing the actual thinking and work that provides for the needs of all that depend on them for survival.

It works. I like it.

[edit on 5/7/2008 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by gdeed

There are things that work very well, capitalism for one works wonders when applied to reducing poverty around the world.

You mean for increasing poverty around the world. Prime example being the exploitation of Guatemala by the United fruit corporation. Just to name one.

Conservatives are far more capitalism friendly, therefore more able to not only understand the misery of poverty but also to help alleviate it.

They don't. See my post above, and also take a look at the economic hitmen thread to see the atrocities that have been committed on the power in the name of capitalism.

Liberals talk about poverty but do nothing about poverty, therefore making it worse

IMO there are tons of liberals who are as capitalist as can be. People who work there way up the corporate or "private organization" ladder pushing others down. Dog eat dog.

Ignorance on how to solve most problems is a liberal thing

Nope. It's a thing that depends on what their skills are in identifying problems, and coming up with solutions to overcome or bypass those problems. Conservatives do it, liberals do it.

Today’s liberalism is not being open minded, but very close-minded

As is refusing to believe that there can be other kinds of people than just conservatives or liberals.

[edit on 7-5-2008 by TheBandit795]

Originally posted by mybigunit


military superiority for what?

America will be a world leader and a super power or it will cease to be, period.

A large part of the world hates America and Americans. Take away our big stick and our as_s is grass.

If you don’t believe that then maybe you want America to go down the tubes, as it seems many on ats do.


[edit on 7-5-2008 by gdeed]