The Ark of the Covenant - Is it still around somewhere?

reply to post by Nohup


The Jews still are God's chosen people. The Abrahamic Covenant is everlasting. Because the Jews rejected the Messiah, Jesus Christ, salvation was offered to the Gentiles who put their faith in Him. The Jews are still operating under the Mosaic Law, which by its very nature can only be fulfilled by the Messiah Himself. The Jews will have another chance to accept Christ when He returns. Every knee will bow.

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But that premise is based on there BEING a god. If not it's as important as a handful of moist goat hair to a rock.

reply to post by Hanslune


No it doesn't. Those passages are very vague.

This is a great article from the Smithsonian Magazine about the "Ark in Ethiopia" theory:
www.smithsonianmag.com...

By the way, to whoever it was that was questioning whether or not the Ark was a real artifact... obviously the Bible is a flawed historical source, but there really isn't any reason to believe that the Ark was NOT real. I'm not suggesting - or denying - that it had "magical" powers as described in the Bible... I don't think that's even relevant to the thread.

The best one can say for the ark is, " thought to exist but not proven"

I subscribe to the Ethiopian Theory. Furthermore I believe the Ark to be a real artifact whose power can be attributed to static electricity.

the jews didn't reject the messiah, jesus simply didn't fit the role of 'jewish' messiah. there's a big difference.
saying that the jews will have to kneel during the return of christ is further ignorance. the fact of the matter is, if the messiah was jesus, if jesus was the jewish messiah, then the jews would have had to accept it. the fact that they didn't means he wasn't their spiritual leader, or that they were spiritually blinded. it can't be the latter for people of the olden times were much closer to God and therefore more spiritual.

but please, lets keep this thread on topic; the ark of the covenant.

you've all said the mainstream theories as for where it can be. ethiopia struck a particular nerve when i heard the theory that the ark was there. perhaps prophet yahweh wasn't crazy when he said the original jews were black?

Originally posted by JustMe74
In honor of the new Indiana Jones movie that's coming out, I decided to start this thread about the Ark of the Covenant.

Let's assume that the Ark was indeed a real object (and there is really no reason to believe that it wasn't, although the popular trend is to discount anything in Bible). It would have been constructed in the time of Moses, and was carried around to various cities in Judea until Solomon finally put it into his Temple.

Are you talking about the “ark of the testimony” This one right here? If so then its in heaven with God.

Exodus 25
17And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
18And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
19And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
20And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
21And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.


Revelation 11:19 (King James Version)

See it’s mention right here.


19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

reply to post by Crabmeat

the fact that they didn't means he wasn't their spiritual leader, or that they were spiritually blinded. it can't be the latter for people of the olden times were much closer to God and therefore more spiritual.

It certainly can be the latter. The Jews of olden times were obsessed with the Mosaic Law. Their obsession took them so far from God they failed to recognize Him in the flesh. They are still in bondage to sin and death under the letter of the law in their ignorance of salvation in the spirit. You are exactly wrong to say they weren't spiritually blinded. They still are and will be until they recognize the antichrist and the slaughter starts from the Temple outward. It will cost them two-thirds of their people. Have a nice day.

I agree that the Ark is with God, outside of this time and space.

you speak so firmly, as if you were deeply enrooted in the jewish religion, tradition and culture. tell me what ties do you hold?

i never bought into the idea that it would have been melted down pre-invasion.
imo
1. The creation of the ark was a direct command from god, wouldnt destroying it have been a slap in the face of god?
2.it was too valuable as a symbol, even if it was captured it would have made an incredible trophy.


On a side note: if it was that powerful, why wasnt it used in jerusalems defense?

I personally think it was buried

Originally posted by drock905
i never bought into the idea that it would have been melted down pre-invasion.
imo
1. The creation of the ark was a direct command from god, wouldnt destroying it have been a slap in the face of god?
2.it was too valuable as a symbol, even if it was captured it would have made an incredible trophy.

Certainly the Israelites would not have melted it down, but the Babylonians who sacked Jerusalem in the 6th Century BCE might have. Although, you make a good point in #2 - it would have been a a great "trophy" for Nebuchadnezzar.

Originally posted by drock905
On a side note: if it was that powerful, why wasnt it used in jerusalems defense?

Probably because the "magical" powers ascribed to it are more wishful thinking than fact. My personal opinion, anyway.

Originally posted by drock905
I personally think it was buried

Possibly! We know for sure that some of the 2nd Temple artifacts were removed and hidden before the Romans destroyed the temple (some of them, like temple incense and annointing oil have been found).

reply to post by Crabmeat


My "ties" are to the Holy Spirit. I seek to discern the truth of God's Word, and live within His will. I proclaim Christ as my Lord and Savior.

I voice the strength of my convictions. My opinion is based upon what has been revealed to me through my own reading, study, and life experience. You are, of course, entitled to your own thoughts on the matter.

I think it is entirely possible that the Jews have constructed, or know how to construct, another Ark. It may be consecrated in the new Temple by the reinstated Levitical priests. Maybe we should ask the Sanhedrin.

reply to post by Icarus Rising


you narrow minded.... nevermind.... don't be an imebecile and assume things about judaism, which you know nothing about.
the fact is that judaism predates christianity 3000 years. every facet of christianity has it's roots in judaism. your precious savior and lord was a jew himself, and it's not surprising that the stuff he preached sounded like judaism.

the ark of the covenant, if not destroyed, is not held by the jews. the third temple will only be rebuilt by the decree/initiation of the messiah. the messiah won't return unless one of two things happen. 1. the jewish peoples of the world sanctify the temples of their souls, their bodies, by living righteous lives. 2. the jewish peoples are on the brink of extinction.

don't get cocky and say something stupid like 'oh, so if jesus will come back if the jews are about to be extinct, lets genocide', because that's not only anti-semetic, it would mean that your 'christian' spirit is worth nilche.

this thread should be closed. religion shouldn't be allowed to be a topic here at ATS unless people are capable of not being offensive of other religions. i'm going back to the UFO and Alien forum.

Your preconceived notions lead you to take offense. I said none of the things you claim. You inferred them. How you get genocide from anything I stated is beyond me. Yes, the Jews will be on the verge of annihilation. Yes, the Messiah will come. Again, I believe. My mind is anything but narrow. The path to the sheepfold door is narrow.

With your approach, you would probably be better off in Aliens and UFOs using those tactics to debunk newbies.

Matthew 7

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Away with you, and your thorns and thistles.

reply to post by drock905


When the Israelites were in trouble the Ark would not fight for them, just as I said in an earlier post about the Philistines. When the Babylonians came it did not protect them and it did not protect them when the Romans came.

It was said that the utensils of the Temple were taken back to to Babylon. I even think the Lampstand was part of that spoil. However, there is no mention of the Ark of the Covenant being captured. That object would have been a prize for the kingdom of Babylon to obtain. All the surrounding nations knew the Ark had a supernatural power. None of the invading armies would have destroyed it.

IMO I think the Ark of the Covenant of Solomon's Temple consumed itself before it was captured. It disappeared out of thin air just like Tardis of Dr. Who? I don't think the Second Temple even had a real Ark of the Covenant within its Most Holy chamber.

reply to post by JustMe74


If you believe in the "Ark of the Covenant" then you must believe in the bible.

If you believe in the bible then you should know where "Ark of the Covenant" is.

According to the bible the "Ark of the Covenant" is up in space and it will come out of the sky when the Kingdom of God is set up here on earth.

reply to post by Hanslune


Okay name some facts in the bible that aren't true.

How many do you want? LOL

Do you believe the bible to be inerrant?

Exodus 22:18 ~ Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Hans: So are there witches in the world, is there magic? Should we kill them?

I Kings 7:23 ~ He then made the molten sea; it was round, ten cubits from brim to brim. A line of thirty cubits would encircle it completely.

Hans: So what is Pi again?

2nd Kings 20:11 ~ And Isaiah … brought the shadow back ten steps, by which the sun had declined on the dial of Ahaz.

Hans: The sun not only stopped its normal rotation, it actually went into reverse a full 10 degrees! Oddly the Chinese and Indian astronomers didn't note the sun stopping or reversing - why is that?

What about cockatrice, unicorns and dragons - all mentioned in the bible - proof of existence?

Did the bad guys who were killed with JC, did one or both mock him?

This apparent contradiction asks did both thieves crucified with Jesus mock him or just one? Mark 15:23 ~ says both did. Luke 23:43 ~ says one mocked and one defended Jesus.

From various sources of which this is one

Source

Hey dude-

Check out the book The Lost Ark of the Covenant: Solving the 2,500 Year Old Mystery of the Fabled Biblical Ark by Tudor Parfitt. I've read it, it gives all the known history of the ark. Not to burst any bubbles, but depending on whose accounts you follow (the Romans, Jews ie dead sea scrolls, etc,) it could really be pretty much anywhere. There are a lot of ancient documents of where it is, but a lot of them contradict each other. Most researchers are scared to check it out, I think I'll set up an account here and I'll tell you more, but basically the Arabs and the Jews are in open competition to find it, because the race that finds it it the chosen people of God. I'll hit you up later.

The Umda