ET-Channelers: Con Artists vs. Genuine Messengers

Originally posted by atlasastro
The only thing that is twisted here is your take on my post.

Yeah...right.

Then you need to take a course on being able to communicate effectively in writing, because you did a terrible job in getting your message across.

But I remain unconvinced of your sincerity.

I mean, you can't write that bad, can you?

Originally posted by atlasastro
By the way paul, while we are on the subject of conmen and how they use there money, what do you do with your donations from your site???

I use it to pay the bills needed in order to maintain the site.

You have a problem with that?

Try running a non-profit organization with no money whatsoever.

Oh, that's right, you don't do that kind of thing.

Selfless service is not your cup of tea.

You are of the sort who goes around condemning honest psychics and mediums and who then praises con men for spending their stolen money.

Originally posted by atlasastro
You may think my ethics are twisted.......

You figured that out all by yourself.

Amazing.

Originally posted by atlasastro
lets take a look at yours.

3. Once the invasion and overthrow transpires in a matter of hours, a number of Solist Masters will force their Ascension into The Light, i.e., commit suicide. Most of these will be Magi. The newly Ascended God Realized Masters in the Monad Realms of Light will then invite The Original Creator into this space-time continuum.

This is taken from your site.......know you'll have some BS excuse for this but i'll pass on the conjob thanks. You go on advocating suicide and leave the ethical preaching to others of with real moral fibre.

Yes, that is absolutely what I channeled from The Society Of Light.

No, I did not and am not advocating suicide.

There is a difference between advocating something and predicting something.

So I will assume that you were merely groping at straws in order to try to dig up something on me. Not the first time someone used that particular passage from our site in ATS for that twisted purpose. There's that word "twisted" again

TSOL was right in a number of other areas in their predictions; like, for example, the outcome of the last two US presidential elections. I tend to listen to those who have a very good batting average.

What's the matter, can't handle a little disturbing prophecy without getting all flustered about it?

You afraid that you will be one of the Magi predicted to commit suicide?

Let me put your fears to rest.

You have absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever evolving into becoming a stable Saint or Magi

Hence, you need not worry about ever experiencing a situation of being highly evolved and having to make a moral choice involving courage and selfless sacrifice under highly stressful conditions.

You will just remain on the sidelines, criticizing those that do.

Feel free to quote this prediction.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Then you need to take a course on being able to communicate effectively in writing, because you did a terrible job in getting your message across.

But I remain unconvinced of your sincerity.
I mean, you can't write that bad, can you?

Why would i want to convince you of anything Paul, my original reply was to a post by the OP and had nothing to do with you until you attacked it. So i may not be a perfect communicator, maybe you should have been graceful enough to preface your attack on me with that in consideration. After all it was you who said this:

There is no perfection

members.aol.com... .....hhmmmm......but i remain unconvinced of your sincerity.

I use it to pay the bills needed in order to maintain the site.
You have a problem with that?

With paying the bills, no. I usually pay my bills too, usually with my own money. I noticed that a lot of the pages haven't been updated since 2006.

Try running a non-profit organisation with no money whatsoever.

So tell me Paul, what does your NPO do. Besides provide a forum for your own personal beliefs? Why does your NPO sell these?

The Retail Price For Each 'Solist Mystic Pendant' is $264 USD

members.aol.com... .....yeah right i know....you gotta pay the bills...ok.

Oh, that's right, you don't do that kind of thing.

Great, now we get to the real stuff. How do you know what i do Paul, you see, unlike you i don't want to be a perfect and immortal Magi ascended God head Sun Planet making Telekinetic warrior.

The two most formidable future Space Gods, Andros and Avadar(Paul_Richard), .....The newly Ascended God Realized Masters......each will use God Force Light to create an upscale body.... these humanoid forms will be fully-grown, very athletic, unusually healthy, youthful, ageless, and beautiful......Ascended Group Entity and manifest their own tropical, lush, insect-free, Higher World. It will be carefully placed around an existing star in a distant galaxy. members.aol.com...

I just want to be a loving and active member of my family, my community, in my city. And Paul, I am. I just don't need a website or communications with Disincarnates to tell me how important it is to love all people, or that it is a very hard endeavour to do, but when you do, it is quite fulfilling and drives intrinsic meaning into all our existence.

Selfless service is not your cup of tea.

If by that you mean i don't want to aggrandise my self through my own personal cult(with my own website that i need people to help me pay for) which requires people to believe that i have amazing gifts of insight and mystic communication....then ok, me and you differ on our interpretation of selflessness. I really want you to push me on this topic of selfless acts Paul because it is a hole i want you to keep digging for yourself.

You are of the sort who goes around condemning honest psychics and mediums and who then praises con men for spending their stolen money.

Can you show me where i have condemned any honest psychics Paul. See once again your twisted logic has taken my comment totally out of context, i was simply amused at a comment from a newspaper article and then made a topical joke to the OP,which you have now taken and then used it as some kind of evidence of my character, my ethics and my stance on Psychics, mediums and con-men. Why did you take this comment so personally Paul.....did i hit a nerve, cut to close to the bone perhaps.

Originally posted by atlasastro
lets take a look at yours.

3. Once the invasion and overthrow transpires in a matter of hours, a number of Solist Masters will force their Ascension into The Light, i.e., commit suicide. Most of these will be Magi.

Yes, that is absolutely what I channeled from The Society Of Light.

No, I did not and am not advocating suicide.

There is a difference between advocating something and predicting something.

like i said in an early post.... I know you'll have some BS excuse for this but i'll pass on the conjob thanks.

TSOL was right in a number of other areas in their predictions; like, for example, the outcome of the last two US presidential elections. I tend to listen to those who have a very good batting average.

Ok...predicting Presidential elections....LOL.....come on Paul, you can't be serious. How about your batting average on these....

The "great age of the millennium" is the year 2000.
The "year seven of the great number" is 2005 (2 + 5 = 7).
Upshot: After the year 2005, there will be people who will rise from the dead.
Possibly as soon as 2008, The Zetan Empire will orchestrate a blitzkrieg and coup d'etat of Terran government. Hundreds of thousands of Hybrids will constitute their high-tech invasionary force.
1. Hillary Rodham Clinton will win the US Presidential election in 2008.(well you still got a few months haven't you.

What's the matter, can't handle a little disturbing prophecy without getting all flustered about it?

I know what i am disturbed by, and it isn't your predictions Paul.

You have absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever evolving into becoming a stable Saint or Magi

Hence, you need not worry about ever experiencing a situation of being highly evolved and having to make a moral choice involving courage and selfless sacrifice under highly stressful conditions

. LOL...Only according to you Paul......only according to you. Are you really trying to scare me Paul, or are you just trying to justify your own sense of self importance and manufactured spiritual authority. How can a mere mortal such as i argue with an Ascended God Magi in communication with higher beings, i thought in your deep well of selflessness Paul, you could at least show me a little patience. It puzzles me that you were so easily upset by my original comment, and that you quickly jumped into assumptions, cast inference without regard.....so petty Paul, so un-god like Paul.

You will just remain on the sidelines, criticising those that do.
Feel free to quote this prediction.

As long as i am criticising the like of you Paul_Richard, you can bet on it.

There is an easy way to find out what's genuine and what's fishy about
channelings, do a search and look how they address "free will",
if they promote it , disregard them alltoghether.

But first of course one must have gone all they down to see
for himself that there is not such thing as "free will".

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
There is an easy way to find out what's genuine and what's fishy about
channelings, do a search and look how they address "free will",
if they promote it , disregard them alltoghether.

But first of course one must have gone all they down to see
for himself that there is not such thing as "free will".

Thats interesting...because I make just the opposite claim. I say "If they disregard free will, disregard them alltogether".

I guess channeling even comes with different politics.

My own discernment is about who it is we are channeling:

* The Deceased
* Discarnate Entities
* Higher-Dimensional Entities
* Extraterrestrials

I havent seen anything good come from "spiritism" (as opposed to spirituality) and "contacting the dead".

I have however seen miracles performed by higher-dimensional entities...with my own eyes.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard

Originally posted by atlasastro
By the way paul, while we are on the subject of conmen and how they use there money, what do you do with your donations from your site???

I use it to pay the bills needed in order to maintain the site.

How can running your Light site cost so much, that you need donations to keep it running? It's hardly a top site, and my guess is you have very minimum visits per day. You don't appear to be providing any files that use high bandwidth, such as videos, images, or flash. Your pages consist mostly of default generated text with limited knowledge of HTML. I actually thought your site was a free version, but even so, it couldn't cost more than a few bucks a month.

Maybe you still have me on ignore and can't respond to this ...

Originally posted by Paul_Richard

Originally posted by atlasastro
lets take a look at yours.

3. Once the invasion and overthrow transpires in a matter of hours, a number of Solist Masters will force their Ascension into The Light, i.e., commit suicide. Most of these will be Magi. The newly Ascended God Realized Masters in the Monad Realms of Light will then invite The Original Creator into this space-time continuum.

This is taken from your site.......know you'll have some BS excuse for this but i'll pass on the conjob thanks. You go on advocating suicide and leave the ethical preaching to others of with real moral fibre.

Yes, that is absolutely what I channeled from The Society Of Light.

No, I did not and am not advocating suicide.

There is a difference between advocating something and predicting something.

I think the very fact you chose to include this excerpt on your light-site implies you do advocate suicide, and use the "it wasn't really me who said it " as an excuse to get away with suggesting it. The right (moral) choice would be to omit this information. You chose to pass it on to naiive individuals who follow your teachings.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

I have however seen miracles performed by higher-dimensional entities...with my own eyes.

Wow, care to share a little more. Did you channel these Skyfloating. What was it like to be present at such an occurance. What were your beliefs like before this event, i would have to assume that this must have had an amazing impact.

Before I leave this thread and continue to ignore a couple of people here, I would like to provide my closing rebuttal to their insults and accusations.

1. All the Solist Mystics stand by the higher awareness given to us by discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light, as each has received independent verification from their own telepathic access to same. Our particular roles and development are posted in order to serve in a guiding capacity for others to direct their energies in cultivating.

2. The Solist Mystic site runs on a shoe-string budget. If we had more money, we would probably do more with it. Problem is, most of the people who are noble and spiritually focused/disciplined enough to pursue Heart Chakra Radiance on a regular basis, are usually also poor or middle-class. Occasionally we get donations and that is fine with us. We certainly don't make a living off of it.

3. The Solist Mystic Pendant is sold not through us, but through a jeweler in another state. He gets all the money from all the sales and we get none of it. However, I personally get a discount on all future pendant purchases because I paid for the original molds for it to be created in the first place.

4. Past-life and near-death experience research all point to a progressive view on the issue of suicide. If one commits suicide to escape a problem that would otherwise be resolved by staying in the flesh and working things out, then there is a punishment involved. Not a punishment from a God figure but the emotional frustration of cutting a life short that still had the potential for creative expression and spiritual development.

For example, those who committed suicide by saving someone from drowning or from a burning building, are not punished emotionally for it after they cross over - as those acts are considered by The Light to be noble and selfless.

I was one of hundreds of other priests and priestesses that died as the result of the siege of Montségur in 1244, as part of the Albigensian Crusade that was ordered by Pope Innocent the Third to destroy the threat of the Cathar church. Catholic mercenaries, under the direction of French nobleman from the north, destroyed one town after another, raping, pillaging, murdering, and torturing people to death. Many Catholics as well as Cathars were butchered.

After the Cathari were raped and tortured at Montségur, the Catholic representatives gave them the choice of submitting to Vatican rule or throwing themselves on to a large bonfire outside the gates. I along with hundreds of others, decided to embrace the flames.

Was I punished for doing so?

Not in the slightest way

Why?

Because the potential to live a fulfilling, creative life that was devoted to The Light was destroyed by the Catholic mercenaries.

All the souls who had anything to do with the atrocities against the Cathari - including Pope Innocent the Third - have all since transitioned and retrogressed into total oblivion.

They no longer exist.

Evil contains the seeds of its own destruction.

So...do I advocate suicide?

As a general rule...no.

Because most people, who are not spiritually focused, principled, or highly evolved - like the insulting two people in this thread - should not be legally allowed to leave their bodies prematurely in order to escape a situation that, if they had the courage and conviction to tackle, they would eventually overcome.

However, the whole karmic dynamic of suicide changes dramatically for someone who is at least a stable lesser god or Magi beyond Sainthood. These have only emerged in recent years.

When most people transition, they are too spiritually underdeveloped to really be able to do anything telekinetically because they cannot ascend into The Light to any high degree.

But when one has the ability to create one's own fully-grown, beautiful, healthy, humanoid body and come back from the dead, there is no frustration from having one's life cut short. One can come back whenever there is a desire to do so.

Only spiritually primitive souls, the vast majority, should be legally prevented from committing suicide. For the God Realized, they have the power to offset basically ALL of the problems that they will ever face from their well deserved access, when free of matter, to The Light Of The God Force.

For Space Gods...it is even more so.

Sky...it's been nice posting and discussing these and related metaphysical topics in your thread.

This is my last post in here.



[edit on 17-5-2008 by Paul_Richard]

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Before I leave this thread and continue to ignore a couple of people here, I would like to provide my closing rebuttal to their insults and accusations.

So its ok for you to throw insults and accusations. I knew this would be your answer.....can't take the heat from the fire you started Paul, leave....more like running from a fight that you started and know you can't win.

For example, those who committed suicide by saving someone from drowning or from a burning building, are not punished emotionally for it after they cross over - as those acts are considered by The Light to be noble and selfless.

This is plain wrong...As a surf lifesaver here in Australia i never swam in to save someone thinking i was going to die, i knew it was possible to die, but my intention was to save, not die. Your example is a slur on anyone brave enough to have put their own life at risk in an effort to save another, how you can even compare that to suicide only makes me further question your perception of reality and your sense of spirituality.

I was one of hundreds of other priests and priestesses that died as the result of the siege of Montségur in 1244.......... I along with hundreds of others, decided to embrace the flames.

So is this further proof of why suicide is an option for spiritual advancement. Wow, you've come along way from 1244 Paul, except instead of killing yourself to avoid the Catholics, now its the Aliens that are going to invade. Same #$%^ different smell Paul.

Evil contains the seeds of its own destruction. Maybe that was why you were burned all those years ago. Has that possibility ever occurred to you

Because most people, who are not spiritually focused, principled, or highly evolved - like the insulting two people in this thread - should not be legally allowed to leave their bodies prematurely in order to escape a situation that, if they had the courage and conviction to tackle, they would eventually overcome.

So now it takes courage and conviction to commit suicide to advance spiritually. This is ground breaking territory for a medium like yourself Paul. And you have answered none of the most important questions i asked in your previous post, no wonder you are leaving.

But when one has the ability to create one's own fully-grown, beautiful, healthy, humanoid body and come back from the dead, there is no frustration from having one's life cut short. One can come back whenever there is a desire to do so.

So what you are saying is that if everybody that believes you, what you channel, and what you say is ok, commit suicide, its ok, because you are all so spiritually advanced that you can manifest new bodies......why wait. Why haven't you done it already Paul.

Sky...it's been nice posting and discussing these and related metaphysical topics in your thread.

I agree totally, i have learned alot about those individuals who claim they can channel. Specifically those channel Alien beings.

This is my last post in here.

That is a shame, as i was hoping your post would tell me about all the selfless acts TSOL/Paul_Richard you inferred in your other post. How hard it was to run your NPO, all i get is justification for suicide and how advanced you are and others aren't. No wonder you aren't going to post again.

did any of those flames in 1244 look like this:

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Before I leave this thread and continue to ignore a couple of people here, I would like to provide my closing rebuttal to their insults and accusations.

There was a post earlier about con's not being able to deal with criticism.

1. All the Solist Mystics stand by the higher awareness given to us by discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light, as each has received independent verification from their own telepathic access to same. Our particular roles and development are posted in order to serve in a guiding capacity for others to direct their energies in cultivating.

The #1 pointer for me in dealing with anything nonphysical is that there is no way to ever verify an entity's true identity. You can't take DNA and even if there was some way, the bodies have dissolved a long time ago so there's nothing to compare it to. There is not even certainty in the appearance of saints that once lived as each artist who pictured them did so from their own beliefs. My point being Jesus for example might have either blond or brown hair, or maybe he was simply bald. Whatever an entity will show him/herself to the one that has contact it is a mere image.

All in all the channeling sounds pretty creepy with saints committing suicide and those Swedes having "very sexually enticing ceremonies of initiation" at the Magi Erotica Church... doesn't look like higher beings to me (I hope Paul_Richard takes care).

[edit on 17-5-2008 by Dragonfly79]

[edit on 17-5-2008 by Dragonfly79]

reply to post by Paul_Richard


Going so soon? Well it was very good of you to stop by the thread and represent your side for the less credible channelers. Unfortunately your last words failed at making a lasting impression.

Your responses are always about you, your light worship site, how you are above and beyond everyone else. Your explanation regarding suicide is quite disturbing, to say the least.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Before I leave this thread and continue to ignore a couple of people here, I would like to provide my closing rebuttal to their insults and accusations.

Why leave when the party is in full swing?

1. All the Solist Mystics stand by the higher awareness given to us by discarnate Saints in The Society Of Light, as each has received independent verification from their own telepathic access to same. Our particular roles and development are posted in order to serve in a guiding capacity for others to direct their energies in cultivating.

The enlightened also know to take the heat from others, let it pass right through them as if they were transparent, and practice unconditional forgiveness to those who attack. Thats why smart channellers avoid calling themselves superiour or enlightened...as to deflect the heat

2. The Solist Mystic site runs on a shoe-string budget. If we had more money, we would probably do more with it. Problem is, most of the people who are noble and spiritually focused/disciplined enough to pursue Heart Chakra Radiance on a regular basis, are usually also poor or middle-class. Occasionally we get donations and that is fine with us. We certainly don't make a living off of it.

The universe = abundance run rampant. How many trillion stars are out there? It follows that those who know how to let energy flow rarely have financial issues.

4. Past-life and near-death experience research all point to a progressive view on the issue of suicide. If one commits suicide to escape a problem that would otherwise be resolved by staying in the flesh and working things out, then there is a punishment involved. Not a punishment from a God figure but the emotional frustration of cutting a life short that still had the potential for creative expression and spiritual development.

Yes.

This is my last post in here.

We´ll see.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

4. Past-life and near-death experience research all point to a progressive view on the issue of suicide. If one commits suicide to escape a problem that would otherwise be resolved by staying in the flesh and working things out, then there is a punishment involved. Not a punishment from a God figure but the emotional frustration of cutting a life short that still had the potential for creative expression and spiritual development.

Yes.

I still have alot of problems with this justification for suicide. It seems redundant to place the soul in the flesh and then present it with a problem that require it to intentionally destroy that flesh in order to advance a cause (spiritually, physically or otherwise). If we are here, in the flesh, then is it purely to hope for such an incident which requires such an undertaking, or are we to live out the course of life and circumstance and then let the flesh die to free the soul to progress in accordance to how/what we have lived. It seems to me that in this life we learn to automatically question the many spiritual voices that advise individuals, thus we learn how it is we want to live, and eventually prepare for the time when inevitably we will die. Should'nt we also take "Past-life and near-death experience research which all point to a progressive(progressive...mmm....try alternative) view on the issue of suicide" with the same view. Maybe what i am saying is "If life is going to throw toughest questions at us, why would it give us the easiest of outs"....what if that is the true test?.

I can't say i have heard alot from mediums and channelers in relation to this topic. I guess it mybe straying from the topic. Anyhow i just can't get my head around this view .

reply to post by atlasastro


My privately held view is that suicide or wanting to "ascend" (as many "spiritual" people want to) constitutes cheating. Lifes purpose was to be right here, right now on this interesting planet, not to get away.

It often helps when spiritual people apply a bit of common sense and logic, doesnt it.

No NDE or OBE experience advocates suicide. On the contrary.

[edit on 18-5-2008 by Skyfloating]

Originally posted by Skyfloating

My privately held view is that suicide or wanting to "ascend" (as many "spiritual" people want to) constitutes cheating. Lifes purpose was to be right here, right now on this interesting planet, not to get away.

It often helps when spiritual people apply a bit of common sense and logic, doesnt it.

My thought exactly. I think this is almost accepted universally, regardless of race or religion.

No NDE or OBE experience advocates suicide. On the contrary.

This is also what i thought. Yet our enlightend friend Paul claims that research into NDE and OBE have progressive views. Maybe by progressive Paul means his interpretation has progressed in accordance with his own sense of self justification.

Not that i want focus on the subject of suicide(i do have an interest in this as i had to write a presentation on the incidence and cause of teen suicide when at Uni where i studied nursing) to I wonder if mediums and psychics have limited contact with people who have suicided due to its spiritually and morally taboo nature. I guess unltimately i just want to shut this arguments down, and thus the person advocating it as an option of spiritual advancement.

p.s. i forgot to thank you for the applause, cheers.

reply to post by atlasastro


while not agreeing with Paul whatsoever, we are so damn spiritually advanced that we even accept his viewpoint as a valid one.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
You have absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever evolving into becoming a stable Saint or Magi

Hence, you need not worry about ever experiencing a situation of being highly evolved and having to make a moral choice involving courage and selfless sacrifice under highly stressful conditions.

You will just remain on the sidelines, criticizing those that do.

Feel free to quote this prediction.

Each soul is potentially divine Paul.

Your incarnate goal is to manifest that divinity both in yourself and others.

It seems your words seek to oppress the coming divinity of another rather than call for it.

Am I reading you wrong? Is this the face of true HCR? Are you playing a devils advocate? Is your heart chakra radiating sarcasm?



It seems your focus on your own heart chakra has failed to leave you devoid of ego.

"YOU WILL" is a phrase of magic. I caution your usage of it to call for another's degeneration.


again...

You have absolutely no chance whatsoever of ever evolving into becoming a stable Saint or Magi

Hence, you need not worry about ever experiencing a situation of being highly evolved and having to make a moral choice involving courage and selfless sacrifice under highly stressful conditions.

perhaps you meant to say...


One has no chance whatsoever of evolving into a stable Saint without concerning himself with making moral choices involving courage and selfless sacrifice under highly responsible conditions.


there is no stress.
there are no worries.
we are just practising;
working out our mistakes.

On the subject of "you will":

You will return from the sidelines... and join us again to radiate positivity within this thread.

we are becoming,

Sri Oracle

[edit on 18-5-2008 by Sri Oracle]

Originally posted by Skyfloating
My privately held view is that suicide or wanting to "ascend" (as many "spiritual" people want to) constitutes cheating. Lifes purpose was to be right here, right now on this interesting planet, not to get away.

It often helps when spiritual people apply a bit of common sense and logic, doesnt it.

In the most highly developed soul every action is purposeful.

Including the death of the soul's incarnate body.

There is, however, a very distinct difference and long spiritual spectrum between divine martyrdom and the most basally attached egoistic suicide.

Jesus saw to it that he was nailed to the cross to teach a lesson.
The samauri commits seppuku for the honor of his people.
The soldier falls upon the grenade to save his platoon.

The young girl runs the '77 Oldsmobile in the garage because her parents did not pay enough attention.

The fat man has a heart attack idling his SUV at the drive-thru.

The old man remains shore side, east of the great water, as his tribe carries on into the setting sun.

the universe is a message,
that which you say and do today,
will be told to you tomorrow.

Buddha announced that he would soon enter Parinirvana.

I am living.

I am dying.

I do both for you.

I am,

Sri Oracle

[edit on 18-5-2008 by Sri Oracle]

reply to post by menguard


i agree we are own own guides we are our own higher selves like you say tif we say that then we would be told we were crazy, personally i feel the only way to hear truth is from your own journey of self discovery, yes these people in a way are guides in a form whether its fact or fiction i that would be for the individual to decide,
namaste