Shards of the Illuminati

reply to post by Kaleon

Originally posted by Kaleon
Hello Maban!
1. I did not really understand your concept of the enlightened ones. Are these "just" some people who, for some reason, became very old and therefore were able to grasp the meanings of life? Which age were they able to reach and how were they able to reach it? Are they still living or do they maybe live beyond death?

They are indeed very old, and not like us. For they are indeed immortal.

Did the enlightened ones want, that their knowledge is passed on through certain Initiates/brotherhoods etc. like your organisation?

Sort of, they furbished us with the means to preserve their original message. The "passing on" is more a secondary byproduct of our duties.

Are there any occurences of the enlightened ones in ancient writings/stories that are available to the public?

Sure, Shining Ones, Angels, they at some points were even though to be Gods. Although they disputed this claim thoroughly.

Do you think you are able to give us some translated excerpts of their writings that you posses?

I can, but it won't retain the same meaning; their language does not "jive" well with English, nor cleanly translate its full message. English is full of equivocations, whereas their language is precise ad accurate down to the specific meaning. I have to use multiple words (of English) to convey the same precise meanings.

An Excerpt:

"To be great is to be Human, to be [an Enlightened One] and an illuminated [people/individual] is to be an Inspiration to all."

"Uphold the [light of creation], and recognize your fellow brethren/kin as your own/family/people. Protect/Guard/Keep them in safety, but do not [hold] them so they they do not grow/learn/gain wisdom/are able to be self sufficient...

... You are our [guardians] of light/illumination, protect [it/humanity/future] well, for we entrust it in your keep/hands. As you in time will entrust it in the [keep/hands[ of [humanity]; for it rightfully belongs to them/it."

And by the way is there any connection between the enlightened ones and the god hermes/thoth?

There is some connection, yes.

2. What do you think was the purpose of the pyramids?

They were monuments to Illuminism, both testaments to its teachings, wisdom, and knowledge.

3. I think you said, that the Nazis were searching for thule or evidences of thule in Iceland and that this would be somehow connected with Atlantis. So was the island of Iceland once part of Atlantis? Well, Iceland is relatively far in the north, how far then did the island of Atlantis reach to the south if both were connected? Can there still remains of Atlantis be found (maybe in Iceland or anywhere)?

No, Alanis was a island city unto itself. There exists no remains of Alanis beyond legend and ancient account; I assure you.

4. Well, you said that the Illuminati did already exist some thousand years ago. How did the Illuminati look like these days and how did they operate?

Essentially the "first" Illuminati were Egyptians. That's what they "looked like," and their teachings were practiced in the open, in daily life, and were of no secrecy.

Do we (the public) maybe know them under a different name? Are there known people of ancient history who had connections to them or who maybe were illuminati themselves?

Again look to ancient Egypt, the answers lie there.

Is there any link between the teachings of the Kaballah and Illuminism or gnosticism and Illuminism? Are the Chaldean magi somehow connected with the ancient illuminati?

There are some parallels yes, but none of any substantial significance or prominence to mention. As I said before, we share certain "traits" as many other belief systems but not to any extent or exclusive degree.

5. When you say there had already been Illuminati before the Bavarian illuminati, how does Weishaupt fit into this? Had there been a gap in the continuity of the illuminati and Weishaupt just restarted the old order? I heard there had been a person named Kollmer who visited egypt and after his travel initiated Weishaupt. Did Kollmer meet the "real" Illuminati and Weishaupt just "mimicked" their ancient order?

Wisehaupt was true Illuminati, he just had a different... "Interpretation," of it. An interpretation many did not agree with, especially those whom held to the ancient teachings. This is what eventually caused the exposure and subsequent collapse of the Bavarian Illuminati.

6. What do you think about these occurrences of revelations by "insiders"? I think these haven't been mentioned yet in this thread.

- I am esspecially interested in this one: www.scribd.com...

Sorry, but this is an individual with little knowledge, and even less compassion. My guess is this is either a depraved individual, or Remnant speech.

- Here's another one: www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk...

Wow, nice find. I woudl say that this is one of the individuals closely affiliated with the Shards, about 70%-80% of what they say is right,

- And here is someone who claims he has contact to the illuminati (Is it possible that he has contact to a shard-member or maybe even to you ...?) www.illuminati-news.com...

Great source. I think this one is hedging on that 95% margin. I would encourage anyone who is either still catching up, or is still unsure to read this web page. In fact, I think I might even know his contact personally, a fellow Illuminon from another Shard.

7. What do you think about this Zion London 2012 stuff? Is there anything "planned" to happen in this year/at this event? There was a guy named Rick Clay who did some research on the olympic games of 2012 and found some evidence that it could be connected with Zion. Strangely someday his blog was deleted and it was said he got healthproblems and that he had lost his perception. He finally commited suicide.

Hmm, had not heard of this. I'll look into it.

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p.s. 1,000 posts!

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Originally posted by Kaleon

8. Do you think there are manmade UFOs out there? Did mankind already achieve antigravity? Do you think there are any current misconceptions in science that prevent "public" scientists from progress?

There are man made UFO's, the corporations we own built a number of them. They do not possess "anti-gravity" propulsion systems, we are still quite a ways off from understanding how gravity functions, much less how to control it. Our technology uses a type of atmospheric oscillation/resonance (I will not use the actual name for security reasons) which causes a potential difference in the atmosphere's molecules causing nearly silent, efficient propulsion. It provides such a tactical superiority that the USG has kept it under wraps for quite a while. It was based off of Tessela's early works and after a decade of development was made to work. The advent of nuclear fission made the technology truly feasible due to the initially staggering power requirements, because you are essentially dumping energy directly into the atmosphere.

Scientists do have a "few" misconceptions, but nothing they won't overcome in a few years. We are hardly more than five years ahead of many other scientists. General understanding and knowledge is relatively universal.

9. You said that after some current events many members of the Icelandic shard have died due to an remnant attack. Do you think this causes the persons these illuminons had contact with, to get suspicious about them and to question who they really were?

Possibly, in many cases we can simply say that they moved away, or took jobs elsewhere. Given many Icelanders are moving out of country for new jobs, its a suitable cover which is totally sensible.

10. Do you think you will come back to this forum again? I understand that it needs a lot of time to answer and discuss our questions, but maybe you can afford it to stop by from time to time (maybe for three weeks in a year or so).

Perhaps, its open for consideration. I do not plan on taking my leave from here immediately, but soon, within at least a few weeks I will be leaving.

- Maban

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reply to post by spannera


I really hate to have to say this, and woudl like to be able to do more but I am afraid that I am limited in my response to:

No Comment.

- Maban

reply to post by spannera


I will U2U regarding this subject.

- Maban

reply to post by Cadbury



I will see what I can do. Perhaps my occasional appearance woudl not be so disruptive.
One other?

- Maban

Originally posted by Maban
reply to post by Cadbury

 

I will see what I can do. Perhaps my occasional appearance woudl not be so disruptive.
One other?

- Maban

You would be preferable, of course, but any one else you can spare would be acceptable Maban.

Where's Tenzin?

reply to post by Cadbury


Sigh,

Russia, business. He has taken up my previous mantle as Chief of Operations.

- Maban

Originally posted by Maban
Sigh,

Tell me why you make this noise?

Originally posted by Maban
Sigh,

Tell me why you make this noise?

Russians, they're tough, strong; and more paranoid than an ATS'er.

They won't let him leave for fear of security reasons. I have no say over their Shard's affairs or their Councilors, so we all have to abide by their wishes for him to stay there for the meanwhile. I could use him back here though. In part I have been acting as both a Seattle High Councilor, and the Seattle Chief of Operations, its growling a little fatiguing; that is all. You spend your day immersed in politics; and your nights immersed in whizzing lead. To be frank, I would not wish it on anyone.

- Maban

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Originally posted by Maban
You will see a major obstacle to darkness arise very soon from our region, within the next 10 years. A force which could smooth tensions are bring them to the surface and at a boiling point. A force born out of a sea of corruption and power which attacks from within and about at the core of the problem; swiftly moving across the globe devouring and demolishing any darkness or evil which does not run from its surge. Darkness will attempt to stop it, control it, seize it, but t will prevail. For the darkness of the world has never met a force quite like this, a force which does not follow conventional rules, methods, or ways, but a force which is incorruptible and unstoppable short of a global apocalypse. The harder the darkness fights, the faster it will hasten their defeat.

Now you're talking turkey. Things often thrash most violently just before their number has come up.

But why so long? Things already seem on the move to me (which could merely be the way I perceive things) and the beginnings of changes more imminent than a decade though I know a decade is not really very long in the grand scheme. Perhaps you are speaking of it being in a more mature state?

I'm also glad to hear you aren't outta here posthaste.

reply to post by EnlightenUp


We are watching a very promising movement/organization. One which has the potential to rival our own, and confront as well as solve all the problems we have faced for millennia. Their leader can only be described as on the edge of Enlightenment. We are waiting for them, thus the time line. Not all is in place yet.

- Maban

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Originally posted by Maban
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

We are watching a very promising movement/organization. One which has the potential to rival our own, and Conroy as well as solve all the problems we have faced for millennia.

Pardon? There was a bit of static in that sentence. "Conroy"?

Maban,

Sir Cadbury had informed me that my statement "Things often thrash most violently just before their number has come up." could have been misinterpreted to be talking about you. It is not. It was about the dark forces of which you spoke.

I apologize for any misunderstanding.

reply to post by EnlightenUp


I did not take it as much. The error has been corrected.

- Maban

What are your thoughts on Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ, and what do you believe his true nature to be?

Originally posted by Maban

 

Simply put, I wouldn't want to be Mongolia.

Maban -
Mongolia is a de-facto Russian military colony with known
and unknown military facilities;
vast and rich in resources, I can see China attempting to take it back.
The only time when China would try this endeavor would be when
Russia is in some disarray. Assuming now that that will indeed be the
case, the disarray must be preceded by economic collapse,
which in turn, has to be preceded (in case of Russian economy)
by falling oil, gas, metal demand worldwide.
We are seeing exactly that now. My question is - is this logical
chain correct? If so - is it reasonable to expect Russian corrupt
government to collapse rather soon?


On your planned departure -
I'll be sorry to see you go; and will hope, as before, for your return.

PS. Congrats on your Remnant facilities ops. Be safe.

(again, sorry about the anonymous - still waiting for my new password)

Hello Maban (If you are still with us):

You are certainly a very interesting person (shard) with a very lively insight into human virtues and vice. Wouldn't it be safe to say that the biggest threat to humankind is humankind itself? And over the last thousand years (at least) warfare has contributed the most to the ultimate demise of man? And wouldn't you agree that the battle over power and control of the worlds resources has displaced, replaced and erased human populations through out the earth for longer than we have written records? So possibly history just repeats itself when we humans don't learn our lessons well enough. For example, very few people ever discuss the Great Schism of 1054 (you know when the Roman Pope and the Byzantine Pope declared war on each other?) I have said it before and will now say it again - This had to have been a world-wide event! The bulk of world power and wealth was within these two regimes and the fighting - knight against knight must have been horrendous! This event happened a long time before the Roman Pope called all good knights to fight against the Moors for the Holyland. And who were some of those infidel Moors? Yes, left-over Byzantine knights! Wouldn't you agree that before one can enlighten one must first be enlightened?

reply to post by OmegaPoint


Given the previous posts regarding this subject, I would prefer to avoid it for the benefit and continuity of this thread. Especially given the diversified views regarding this particular spiritual figure. I do believe if you look a few pages back their was a lengthy dialogue touching in this very subject and several details. If you wish additional information you are welcome to U2U me.

- Maban

reply to post by eventHorizon


That is one interpretation, however I believe that other triggers/situations in the world woudl lead to such a confrontation, and that it will not be directly initiated. As an example the alliances pre-WWI which sparked the confrontation often did not immediately involve rival countries, but rather "got caught" in each others orbits until they collided.

- Maban

Originally posted by Maban
reply to post by OmegaPoint

 

Given the previous posts regarding this subject, I would prefer to avoid it for the benefit and continuity of this thread. Especially given the diversified views regarding this particular spiritual figure. I do believe if you look a few pages back their was a lengthy dialogue touching in this very subject and several details. If you wish additional information you are welcome to U2U me.

- Maban

Fair enough, but would it not be fair to simply say that he was a person who identified his innermost being with the light of life and the spirit of the universe, while having an I-thou relationship with the creator or the First Father of all Creation? And that said, is not his character and person a model of what it means to be truly and authentically human, no matter what the implications of that may be?

You wanted me to put something on the table, so I figured I'd pull the Lord himself up to it to see how an "illumined" one might respond, and you ran away from the question.

I think you are playing a game here with everyone and they're happy to go right along with it, and while it makes for an interesting read and a great story, it doesn't strike me as being entirely authentic, if not outright deceptive, which does not an illuminated one make.

In short, I suspect you might be full of it, but it's still fun nevertheless, just so long as people aren't taken in by your fairy tale as representative of reality.

And that is not a negative judgement, just an evaluation.

You see, part of the solution I think we are all looking for, will require by neccessity, integrity, and discipline, both of which will require an absolute committment to truth and reality at all cost, except at the cost of truth and reality itself, and "if you are not part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem".


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