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Originally posted by theBLESSINGofVISION
First of all when you say that "these matter are in regards to our origins...", who is being referred to by "our"?
Also, what is the reason that this line of information need be handled very... cautiously?
If "some" are, as you say, "justified" and "hold much truth", what is the justification for being withholding and in turn concealing these "truths" by not being forthright and sharing what you mean by this exactly?
If individuals actively withhold the truth and then dismiss inquiries by saying "in the end people will see the truth, and much will change," should those not privy to the truth take these words as ominous and threatening, merely as a logical observation?
Intentions to be vague and non specific in regards to the truth are indeed deception tactics intentionally used to conceal the specific truth, are they not?
In your opinion, what are (if any) the quintessential differences between someone like you (an insider) and someone like me (not an insider)?
Originally posted by theBLESSINGofVISION
Intentions to be vague and non specific in regards to the truth are indeed deception tactics intentionally used to conceal the specific truth, are they not?
In your opinion, what are (if any) the quintessential differences between someone like you (an insider) and someone like me (not an insider)?
Originally posted by SystemiK
1. To what extent does technology play into your efforts?
2. Don't you expose yourself to possible discovery by your "enemies" by revealing your IP address when you post to a public forum such as ATS?
3. NWO theories aside, do you have any opinions re: the effect of frequencies on human consciousness such as the topic in this thread
4. I would also be very interested to know if you have any theories regarding DNA and any possible role it may play in a possible next step up for humanity.
Originally posted by Maban
hopefully this post is not a total waste of information.
Originally posted by Maban
Our shard is of direct descent of Adolph Knigge who was one of the original 17, whom helped found the original Bavarian Illuminati.
Originally posted by Maban
...he [Knigge] fathered at least two sons...One was later killed...the other son Agoustous Knigge, later moved to Iceland
Originally posted by Illahee
What are your impressions of the white eagle trust?
Do you have some specific authors of the old bound text that you are more impressed with than others? You may c2c if you don't want to respond here.
Originally posted by Maban
Firstly, yes it is Appleseed, specifically Appleseed and Appleseed Ex Machina. Two very good movies which reflect the Shard's values greatly; if anyone has seen these you will almost immediately understand why. I thought I had answered this question earlier, but must have gotten confused in my excitement to answer all these insightful questions.
Originally posted by Maban
To answer your question, how long?
Well, hopefully for quite some time. I feel that you bring up a very pertinent point I should fully address. Typically an Illuminon in such a "situation," is only online for only the shortest of periods to "get the word out" so to say, and they retreat behind a security blanket of secrecy. This "fall back time" is typically up to the discretion of each individual Illuminon unless otherwise directed by their Shard's Council, or the Icelandic Shard's Council. I can assure you "others" are watching this very thread, both to judge how people in general respond, and how I personally am furthering our cause. I certainly would not call it "control," just cautious oversight." There can never be too many eyes watching the unknown. To return to your question, most Illuminons have not exceeded a "Three Month" "publications" period, simply for safety and security reasons. I feel I should add that I am one of a handful from all the Shards whom, "push the envelope," so to speak. At one point I had a nine month "Chat Room" sortie before my Shard asked me to withdraw. To honestly answer your question, I don't know, hopefully as long as possible. I will say this as long as we are productive and willing to listen to anyone and everyones questions, concerns, and opinions this could last a long time. As a promise to all of you I will notify you if i am requested to withdraw, and hope that the timing is not inconvenient. Far too often "informants" (if you will) go silent at the wrong moment, dissolving whatever structures of truth they had formed and solidified. I hope to finally "fade out" when none are interested in what I have to say. When any and all questions that could be asked, have. I wish to "fade out," when I am of no more use to either the public or the Shards in this regard. Hope that sufficiently answers your question.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
You're a very imaginative fellow, I'll give you that; but these so-called "Illuminons" have given you the wrong history of the Illuminati. 1) Baron von Knigge was initiated in July, 1780. 2) The Bavarian Illuminati were originally composed of five members (1776/5/1), not seventeen. The five: Weishaupt (Spartacus); Franz Anton von Massenhausen (Ajax) and Max Edler von Merz (Tiberius), his pupils at Ingolstadt before the Order existed; a law student, Bauhof [Bauhoff, or Baubof] (Agathon), in which little else is known; and Andreas Sutor (Erasmus Roterodamus). And 3), Adolph Franz Friedrich Ludwig Baron von Knigge (1752 Bredenbeck, Germany – 1796 Bremen, Germany) obviously wasn't one of the original members of the Illuminati, as he became a member only in 1780, a full 4 years after the Order's founding.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Maybe I'm jaded after all these years of associating with "conspiracy theorists," but I am fully expecting an answer similar to: "that's what 'official history' tells us." If that's the case, spare me; it may work with someone else, but I know better. I'm sorry, but no amount of revisionism, or fanciful tales, will ever change the facts of the previous paragraph.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Originally posted by Maban
...he [Knigge] fathered at least two sons...One was later killed...the other son Agoustous Knigge, later moved to Iceland
It's possible. Where can I verify this in the historical record? I am genuinely interested to verify if Knigge had children, and/or if indeed one any settled in Iceland.
Originally posted by Sir Francis Bacon
What is your source documentation for the above, and are you certain that the information contained therein is 100% accurate?
Originally posted by Sir Francis Bacon
Just because something is not verified in the historical record that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
Weishaupt himself, for one. Knigge as well. We're not dealing with fairy tales here - despite the fact that Maban seems to thrive on such things.
After the Illuminati had been discovered the Bavarian Elector published the confiscated communications of the conspirators. In it Weishaupt specifically tells Cato-Zwack in a letter who were the five originals (In a letter dated 25 February, 1778 - see Einige Originalschriften des Illuminatenordens…, p. 200)
Knigge too, he admitted when and how he had been initiated into the Illuminati. He also wrote an apology for his activities.
Saying that Knigge was one of the founders and that there were 17 not 5, is preposterous and absurd. Everyone who knows anything at all about the Illuminati would laugh you right out of the room - deservedly so.
I've been doing real research into the Bavarian Illuminati for the last three years. I have the Original Writings right here in front of me; ask ConspiracyNut23. And on top of that, I've read everything else that is authoritative on the subject. My book is done and it's coming out in August. I just spoke to my publisher and everything's on schedule. My life has been consumed with this subject for quite some time now. Besides 2 professors in Germany, I can say with confidence that there is no one else on the entire planet that knows more about the Bavarian Illuminati; and if I were in a bragging mood, I'd seriously even question that their own understanding might be superior to mine.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
If there's no secondary source to a claim, then there's no reason for anyone to believe it - even if on the surface, it sounds likely or even plausible.
Originally posted by Fire_In_The_Minds_of_Men
I could wake up tomorrow and claim, oh I don't know, that Jim Morrison was raised by Nazis. Along with that claim - hey! - I just happen to pull a name out of my ass! I tell you that Morrison's real father is in reality a guy named Heinrich Schwartz ... Now go run along find out if its true or not. Have fun.