Shards of the Illuminati

Originally posted by 12.21.12
No, whats gay about it is that before it looked like a photoshopped piece of crap, now it says he's illiminatti, sorry but that just doesn't happen overnight. Illahii is full of BS and I am calling him on it.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by 12.21.12]

Some people wouldn't notice its a photograph from the title page of a very old and very real book. Young pups, still wet behind the ears usually. The other was from a second century print. I alternate between those. It's possible that one who can't tell what it is, may be a pimply faced teenager that "just plain knows it all".

Second, just because some people don't pay attention to ATS on a daily basis may mean they have a real life out there. That's a possibility.

Third, perhaps you would like to u2u your experience and any information, that would make you an expert, a researcher, or even some scraps that may show you can make any judgment of authenticity at all in these matters.

Like I said before a u2u any time and Maban was the one who said I would have it right away, then never responded. There is no ill will between us and people often write one thing when they mean something totally different. There are some points that need clarification, and the largest one is the European question.

I can still take that u2u and it will get an answer when I check back in.

Originally posted by Illahee
Some people wouldn't notice its a photograph from the title page of a very old and very real book. Young pups, still wet behind the ears usually. The other was from a second century print. I alternate between those. It's possible that one who can't tell what it is, may be a pimply faced teenager that "just plain knows it all".

Not all us pups are dumb.

Like I said before a u2u any time and Maban was the one who said I would have it right away, then never responded. There is no ill will between us and people often write one thing when they mean something totally different. There are some points that need clarification, and the largest one is the European question.

I can still take that u2u and it will get an answer when I check back in.

What? You mean to say he didn't send you that communication?

Maban, what the # are you doing?

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Okay that's fair. I will wait on the sidelines for further clarification. I would liketo see this get cleared up, I do think that it is important that it does.

reply to post by Illahee


I did indeed U2U you, good sir. Approximately 5 minutes after i made my original post Illahee Response. I wished to settle this in private. However given that either my message was never received, or simply ignored I will post it here to alleviate any disparity, once and for all.

Let us dispense with the pleasantries shall we; what the hell was that?
Do you possess any restraint? To blatantly accuse me of “fraud;” What nerve sir, what nerve! Especially in the light that you only offer your displeasure, without even the addendum of your reasoning for crying foul. Take care sir, you tread on the line of arrogance and insolence. You did not even extend the common courtesy of U2Uing me with your concerns. I could have easily responded with a personal accusation that you indeed are a Remnant; however I did not jump at opportunity and impulse, such as you.

Our highest “Council” is indeed in Iceland; we answer to no other; any Illuminon could have stated as such. We do not possess any Shards in all of Europe; that is a “fact.” We are currently running Anti-Remnant operations and are laying the groundwork for eventual Shards; however no official Shards currently exist in any part of Europe.

There is no "main" roster for Illuminati activities, sir. Ever since the original Bavarian Siege the Icelandic Shard determined such a cache of information would prove too hazardous, and too powerful to ever be consolidated. It is up to each individual Shard to be mindful of its member’s identities, and whereabouts. Each operates as a cell to ensure survival and security. The concept of a consolidated list is almost laughable to any Illuminon.

Such an Instances alongside your claims would indeed lead me to believe that you are in fact a Remnant, and do not even know it. To even fathom how this is possible is totally beyond me. To give you the benefit of the doubt it is possible that if you are indeed a member in such an organization; that your leaders have withheld this information from you and misinformed you gravely. I am fully prepared to grant you this condition if you can answer one of these questions, any Illuminon could:

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I eagerly await your response.

Illahee, the questions and this full text will be U2U'ed to you immediately. Please reply if you do not receive them.

- Maban



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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
A couple of months ago a note was found by someone on the pavement. it was a note about some kind of initiation we reckon. it told the reciever to be "divested of all glass, metal and sulphur". What could this mean?
many people from my school go on to do great things, could this be some kind of 'skull-and-bones-esque' thing?

As far as codes, cyphers, and riddles go; i could not even begin to hazard a guess. If it is indeed authentic, then it would probably refer to some sort of reminder to duty, but that is probably an obvious assumption. I wish I could be of more help, but I cannot draw any complete conclusions. It is probable that it is a sort of secret society, that acts as a power hub for networking; like "skull and bones."

I have indeed checked in with my shard. We have no file open on this fraternity, not surprising though. It has been placed on the Icelandic's Charter of Duties. However, I doubt anything serious will be done. There will probably be a quick surface investigation (passive) but no more.

If any further developments arise you will be the first to know.

- Maban

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Originally posted by meanmug
Illuminati is like Freemasons,they worship symbols for power but they use the excuse, they are builders

They worship science that Assyrians uncovered and forced on people

I feel you are misinformed, good sir. The Illuminati is nothing Like the Freemasons. I would also advise caution when using "Illuminati," for there is no such "real" thing. The Freemasons are indeed akin to the usage of ancient symbology, and so was the original Bavarian Illuminati. Once the Shards where created that essentially ceased. Some was brought back but from "older" ties to Illuminism.

I fail to understand the "excuse," and "builder" references; could you please clarify your meaning.

- Maban

Illahee, I wish no quarrel with you, nor any other; this is not my nor the Illuminon way. However, your remarks could not go unanswered, nor your vulgarity.

I have had some time to think about your comments, and questions. I would like to ask you if you see the great White Brotherhood as a Shard? They are certainly not, but one could construe them as such. Your previous posts certainly did elude to your membership. This said, could we be simply confusing definitions? The Great White Brotherhood is indeed not a Shard, and is also indeed not a Remnant. They are not Illuminati at all. You may live and recognize some level of kinship to Illuminism, but it is unlikely the Great white Brotherhood has discovered every nuance of Illuminism. I state this because of some of their "mixing" of faith systems, this is all. If the Great White Brotherhood is indeed what you have been referring to, then we are both combating different notions of Illuminati.

- Maban

I have answered all Maban's questions. Somehow it got turned all around to me proving something but I have responded and expect to see a response to my clarifications.

Still we would be foolish to disclose much of anything......

There are really only a few possibilities. One is and one isn't, both are not or both are. I don't know if either or both of us would tell the truth or mislead in a public forum. These are touchy subjects.

At any rate I may have offended so badly he never posts again, and for that I am truly sorry and apologize.

[edit on 12-6-2008 by Illahee]

Now that I think about it there is another possibility. One or the other could be an intelligence agent. If so I told enough to get the


I would like to go back to the general question line. What do you think about the Psychic murders of the late 70s through the 90s between rival groups? I feel it is pretty despicable behavior. How about the drones that woke up and did the same thing to their handlers? Crazy stuff there.....

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Maban your tale is very interesting, I love the terminology you used, Shards of the Illuminati, that sounds so regal. Almost like Imperial Seal is just a cool way to say Official Stamp. On to my question, who exactly are you stewards for? How was it that your family became affiliated with the shards? Is there some sort of special qualities you must have to become a member?

Very interested in this subject. Your tale is very very interesting to me.

Hello Maban

I'm going to be completely honest, I don't know what to make of you and the contents of this thread. You are obviously educated and intelligent but while you are very comfortable discussing scientific matters, history seems not to be your forte. I don't know a much about the Illuminati, and obviously nothing of the Shards, I don't have an ulterior motive I simply would like to ask a couple of questions to see whether you can clarify my perception.

I am most interested in why Iceland as a 'retreat', given its low population, especially at that time, it seems a poor choice of hiding place? Can you give a little background as to why this is and was considered a safe place for the Illuminati's descendents?

I am also at a loss as to what Omega 12 is? As noone else has asked the question I presume it is common knowledge, so perhaps someone else could fill me in???

Lastly, I am struggling with the time line of these events, would it be possible to have a rough date of when the move to Iceland was made and perhaps the decade that your father was born? It would just help me to put the information in perspective.

Very many thanks
KT

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Actually, I do not recall those events. Could you provide me a source, or if anything elaboration?

In my opinion, from what I know. Psychic "murders" or "remote viewing" and such are the quaint essential of Intelligence Agencies "wet dreams." Taking somewhat "promising" candidates and infusing them with mind altering substances, and in some cases gene splicing that created... "interesting results." There was a project under the NSA which was (I say this with a degree of reserve) capable in providing results in this area of R&D. It appears from their research that they where successful in identifying and amplifying specific genes which at the least affected telepathic abilities. It was found that this genetic data resided within the telomeres of chromosomes; thus explaining its random appearance and disappearance in individuals, as it passed form generation to generation. However intriguing, this process often yielded unpredictable and unstable results. If a patient did not die or go mentally insane, they would suffer from severe anger management issues form conditioning. It was essentially an over glorification of standard "break down" procedures used on black ops commandos. After a brief decade long project it was later terminated by a infiltration squad.

The Shards have kept a good deal of attention on this matter because of recent events. Recent events have lead us to believe that the NIA has begun acquiring key equipment which combined could only be used in such a R&D field. Given recent technological, medical, and pharmaceutical redevelopments the possibility of stable and capable telepathic individuals is a mounting threat; especially with the prospects of it being NIA funded.

- Maban

reply to post by caballero

Originally posted by caballero
On to my question, who exactly are you stewards for?

We are stewards for the continuity of global stability. We maintain as many destabilizing elements in our world as possible, to ensure nothing calamitous occurs which possess the ability to singlehandedly collapse global stability. We are stewards of ensuring humanity's survival, until humanity is ready for the next step.

How was it that your family became affiliated with the shards? Is there some sort of special qualities you must have to become a member?

If memory serves me right, I had addresses thin in my original post; never the less I would be pleased to reiterate.

It was by pure change that my grandfather came to work for an Illuminon. It was at a major aerospace corporation in Canada. My grandfather had discussed with him after hours about eventually moving to the United States. An agreement was made that if my grandfather could use his knowledge and abilities to help the Shards, the Shards would help him and his family. Needless to say they both honored their word and here I stand today. Since that point my grandfather got to know the local Shard and after a time brought my father in as well. Later on when I came of age my father brought me in to the Shard and that is how it came to be. Typically "membership" (although i do not like to use this term) it is ancestral. Each generation passing the torch to the next; but on rare occasions ones with the proper personality, character, resolve, dedication, and vision are brought on from the "outside," if you will.

If there is any quality which is indicative of being an Illuminon it is this:

One must be willing to put all of humanity before yourself and make the ultimate sacrifice if need be, without hesitation or reserve. But, most importantly, you must see yourself not as Liberal or Conservative, not as American, and not as African American or Caucasian. But, you must instinctively answer without equivocation or hesitation, "I am human." When one asks "what" you are, or "who" you are. When one recognizes the whole and nothing but the whole of humanity; it is then that you stand a possibility of becoming an Illuminon.

- Maban

Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
You are obviously educated and intelligent but while you are very comfortable discussing scientific matters, history seems not to be your forte.

Yes, I am sure it is quite apparent that this is unequivocally the case.

I don't have an ulterior motive I simply would like to ask a couple of questions to see whether you can clarify my perception.

No concerns, I have an "open topic" policy. However, there simply are some things I cannot discuss;but I will do my best.

I am most interested in why Iceland as a 'retreat', given its low population, especially at that time, it seems a poor choice of hiding place? Can you give a little background as to why this is and was considered a safe place for the Illuminati's descendants?

Iceland is an unlikely hiding place essentially. It possess a good deal of land and a harsh climate especially in the northern regions. It was chosen for the very aspects you pointed out. It is isolated, out fo the way, with little inhabitants. This made it even easier for some of the first Illuminati descendants to disappear into the wilderness. It was decided if Illuminism was to continue to exist that it needed to be sheltered for a great deal of time until people where more ready to accept its concept. Therefore, the wilds of Iceland seemed just as good a place as any. It was close to Europe so getting there was not quite as difficult as the Americas. At the same time its populous and climate would prevent many from chasing them there, few would have ever guessed that is where our founders took refuge.

Today it stands as a beacon of duty and understanding. especially after developing a Shard in East Asia it has gained more significance since we have discovered rootes very close to the actual origin of Illuminism.

I am also at a loss as to what Omega 12 is? As noone else has asked the question I presume it is common knowledge, so perhaps someone else could fill me in???

I am very familiar with Omega 12. suffice it to say I cannot go into much detail. They do exist. They exist essentially as a next generation intelligence agency, but with totally different means and methods alongside a totally different mission statement. Many "men in black" type people and outfits have in all actuality been Omega 12 operations. Perhaps someone's independent research could provide more detail, for reasons of security I am unable to disclose more.

Lastly, I am struggling with the time line of these events, would it be possible to have a rough date of when the move to Iceland was made and perhaps the decade that your father was born? It would just help me to put the information in perspective.

Certainly. We are not absolutely sure when this occurred. Specifically because everyone uses different events to judge when the Icelandic Shard actually was "recognized" as existing. Some argue it was the second that Agoustous Knigge set foot in Iceland; others argue it was when the first meeting took place there. Most have settled around
a time period between 1807 and 1814.

Good grief, one would think I would have my father's birthday memorized by now. Off the top of my head it was somewheres around the late forties to mid fifty's; but I would have to verify that. You are completely correct, my history is indeed lacking.

- Maban




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Thank you for taking the time to consider my questions and I apologise if I am stretching you in terms of the historical record, but as this is one of my primary interests I am sure you can appreciate my curiousity.

Originally posted by Maban

I don't have an ulterior motive I simply would like to ask a couple of questions to see whether you can clarify my perception.

No concerns, I have an "open topic" policy. However, there simply are some things I cannot discuss;but I will do my best.

I wish simply to be honest with you. There are gaps in my understanding of what you have said so far, this does not mean that I doubt your veracity simply that I am somewhat confused as to the role of the Illuminons in modern history and in directing and monitoring those events.

Iceland is an unlikely hiding place essentially. It possess a good deal of land and a harsh climate especially in the northern regions. It was chosen for the very aspects you pointed out. It is isolated, out fo the way, with little inhabitants. This made it even easier for some of the first Illuminati descendants to disappear into the wilderness. It was decided if Illuminism was to continue to exist that it needed to be sheltered for a great deal of time until people where more ready to accept its concept. Therefore, the wilds of Iceland seemed just as good a place as any. It was close to Europe so getting there was not quite as difficult as the Americas. At the same time its populous and climate would prevent many from chasing them there, few would have ever guessed that is where our founders took refuge.

It must have created difficulties for the Shard when Iceland was occupied by first the British and then the US in the second world war. The US occupation literally increased the population by one third. This must have created significant problems for the Illuminons or at the very least necessitated a re-integration into the wider society.

I am also at a loss as to what Omega 12 is? As noone else has asked the question I presume it is common knowledge, so perhaps someone else could fill me in???

I am very familiar with Omega 12. suffice it to say I cannot go into much detail. They do exist. They exist essentially as a next generation intelligence agency, but with totally different means and methods alongside a totally different mission statement. Many "men in black" type people and outfits have in all actuality been Omega 12 operations. Perhaps someone's independent research could provide more detail, for reasons of security I am unable to disclose more.

There seems to be no takers so far, unfortunately. I have found nothing on the internet, only the 'Omega file' and I doubt that you mean that!!

Good grief, one would think I would have my father's birthday memorized by now. Off the top of my head it was somewheres around the late forties to mid fifty's; but I would have to verify that. You are completely correct, my history is indeed lacking.

That is great, a rough date was all I was after. I think you give your age at some point and so I have enough to get a better idea of the frame of events.

Many thanks
KT

Well folks, I'm going to depart this thread.

I will check in at Skunkworks from time to time and catch up on this one, when it comes in.

Originally posted by Illahee
Well folks, I'm going to depart this thread.

I will check in at Skunkworks from time to time and catch up on this one, when it comes in.

You seem sure that it's going to get moved...ummm? Care to elaborate on why?

Do you know anything about Omega 12? I can't find a thing, perhaps I'm looking in the wrong place or may be it is THAT secret.

I have been following this thread for awhile and I must say true or not it makes for a good read. Maban you are well educated as one can tell by your writing.

Anyway you say that you are the guardians of three truths or secrets, I was wondering how you know that what you call truths are indeed actually truths. As you know the truth can be quite illusive and at times even an illusion.

Also are all of your members active in your cause or do you have some members whose only mission if you will is to merely keep the knowledge that you have and to make sure that it is never lost. Sort of like a sleeper if you will that can be called upon if needed but whose man role is more of a passive one.
thanks,

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Illahee is alluding to the concept that this forum will be moved (forcibly) to that of the Skunkworks thread. Bear in mind that the Skunkworks thread is for:

As mentioned, this forum is for your most outlandish and extreme speculative conspiracy theory ideas.

He feels that he has sufficiently proven my illegitimacy to himself and others akin to him. As a result I expect action to be taken against me, the first of which is the moving of this thread form Secret Societies to pure Conspiracy Theory. It would then not be much of a leap for some to attempt to get me moved into the "creative writing" thread. Some have expressed to me in U2U's that I have "profaned the name of Illuminati," and as a consequence will be "outed" and silenced. I would stress that such extreme action holds no bearing on my presence here, nor restraint on my voice. And that any such action taken against me will only perpetuate and provide credence to all that I say. Therefor, a rational minded person could conclude that simply allowing me to answer questions is in the best interest of all parties.

KilgoreTrout, I understand your frustrating with words being exchanged behind the scenes, and not a single word wholly placed to your question. Therefore, I will provide you with what information I can via U2U; it is the least I can do.

- Maban