Shards of the Illuminati

Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

Since it's a beautiful Sunday and good news is apparently on the way, I thought I would share my concept of how the Illuminati would operate under my brilliant command.

It's coolish here, comparatively. A gentle breeze blows from what used to be the south. The earthworms are screaming "Don't tread on me". Chicken noodles and the egg noodles sing harmonious, sweet songs, not in mutual competition for aboriginal rights. Fossil-fueled lawnmowers softly drone the first moments of creation. Invisible tigers are out golfing, walking softly, carrying a big stick. The emperor found his khaki swim trunks, then lost them again. The Eye of Ra winks alluringly at passers by. The Merovingians are having a bake sale, two for the price of one, except for ball-bearings and millenniums.

Trunk Monkeys are just a cruel exploitation of our deep-seated fear of the world. They represent the primitive that we keep concealed from view until we find ourselves in a situation that we have no choice, when we feel our higher natures have failed us in finding a rational solution, but to fall back on our most basic instincts for survival. The Suburban Auto Group is trying to sell us back a projection of ourselves so we can pretend that nature is not part of us, that we are separate from it, that we are above it all, that we can having things done for us the same old way without consequence.

"Think Different" is a an attitude of the nationalist xenophobic right wing extremists as defined in the DHS Domestic Extremism Lexicon.

reply to post by Kvasir


This does make a little more sense now.

It sounds like the split wasn't so much over good/bad, right/wrong, order/chaos, etc.

It sounds like there was general agreement on where things were heading, or needed to head, but different beliefs on how to achieve it.

In any group dynamic it seems there are always those who like to wait, plan, analyze, etc. and those who just want to smash the problem with the biggest hammer available - as soon as possible.

Are there any Illuminon who didn't choose sides? (I realize 'sides' is really not accurate)

What is the Illuminon philosophy on life and death? Would you save the life of another Illuminon at any cost, or is there an acceptance that some must die for the greater good? I think I know the answer to that one, but I wonder if shard/remnant philosophy differ.

reply to post by emsed1

Originally posted by emsed1
It sounds like there was general agreement on where things were heading, or needed to head, but different beliefs on how to achieve it.

Precisely.

In any group dynamic it seems there are always those who like to wait, plan, analyze, etc. and those who just want to smash the problem with the biggest hammer available - as soon as possible.

Exactly.

Are there any Illuminon who didn't choose sides? (I realize 'sides' is really not accurate)

Yes, they just up and left, said to hell with it all and figured that the Universe (i.e. greater powers) would sort it out.

What is the Illuminon philosophy on life and death? Would you save the life of another Illuminon at any cost, or is there an acceptance that some must die for the greater good? I think I know the answer to that one, but I wonder if shard/remnant philosophy differ.

We would go to the ends of the earth, through death to save a fellow Illuminon. If any of you know this feeling of brotherhood akin to the Military, it is very much so similar, if not stronger. Because unlike the military, we are bound for life, even when you "leave."


[edit on 17-5-2009 by Kvasir]

reply to post by Kvasir


Maban said once that it was necessary for him to do some very dark things when events were at their worst. I think there is a darkness inside all of us that we have to actively control.

After Iceland he was "different" in some way. Of course anyone who has been in combat goes through the same change. I can't imagine anyone being able to deal with the threat of death or having to take a life without being changed permanently.

There are brothers that I would stop at nothing to save. That bond is rare but in times of great adversity you can see who your true friends are. I certainly would not hesitate to dispatch the life of another if a brother or my family were in danger. It would not bring joy to me, though. In fact I am sure that, no matter how evil the person was, I would still feel remorse because I am human.

Do you view remnants as evil? Or are they just different?

Are remnant members also called Illuminons, or is that title only applied to Shards?

This disturbs me.

I asked Maban one time about websites that provide good intel, and he told me globalresearch.ca was pretty good.

When I looked at it, there seemed to be a lot of editorializing and hype. Occasionally I could pick out some good bits about strategic info.

Anyway there is a thread today on ATS about the Pentagon preparing for war with Russia that references this article:

Global Research

Given some of the bad stuff going on in Russia over the last few months/years, this is a little scary to me.

Thoughts?

Originally posted by Kvasir
To all ATS Members whom received private communications from Maban or Tenzin:

The Reformed Illuminon Council respectfully requests that any and all private communications between yourself and either Maban or Tenzin are withheld from the public domain for internal security reasons. It has recently been brought to my attention that Maban violated internal security protocol and policy in the dissemination of classified material and information. I ask all to aid us in this effort not out of reasons of security but for reasons of personal safety for our members and the continued denial of intelligence accessible to enemies of humanity. For all those whom aid us you have our thanks in advance for what I know is a personal sacrifice for the greater good.

Thank You,
Kvasir & The Reformed Illuminon Council

I was attempting to play catch up when I read Kvasir's post, I must say I'm puzzled and suspicious at the same time. To trust Maban for me, came in stages, now you'll have to excuse me but you don't have my trust, as of yet. That's not to say I will post the information that was shared privately, never have, never will.

But for a person claiming to be a member of the Shards, for me at least, it will take more to gain my trust. I know you could care less about a person's trust over the internet but I believe in order to be taken seriously by some, gaining a certain level of trust is a must

For me, Kvasir is starting to show signs of Remnant behavior, at least from my experience he seems to have some similar traits. How can we be certain he's not attempting to deceive us so the information that was shared from Maban won't see the light of day?

Technically, if you think about it, the Remnants have had ample time to view the publicly released information, so if they have already collected the information posted, I fail to see how it posed a security risk.

To me this appears to be an attempt to fool us in retracting information we've been given permission to post. At the same time keeping information from the public when Maban's intention for this thread (one of them) was to share the Shard's story, to give hope to humanity, to know that all isn't lost.

I'm sorry but the alarm bells just went off when I saw this post. I'm sorry I'll get back to my catching up.




- Omega

[edit on 19-5-2009 by oconnection]

reply to post by oconnection


I was attempting to play catch up when a read Kvasir's post, I must say I'm puzzled and suspicious at the same time. To trust Maban for me, came in stages, now you'll have to excuse me but you don't have my trust, as of yet. That's not to say I will post the information that was shared privately, never have, never will.

But for a person claiming to be a member of the Shards, for me at least, it will take more to gain my trust. I know you could care less about a person's trust over the internet but I believe in order to be taken seriously by some, that is what must be done.

For me, Kvasir is starting to show signs of Remnant behavior, at least from my experience he seems to have some similar traits. How can we be certain he's not attempting to deceive us so the information that was shared from Maban won't see the light of day?

Technically, if you think about it, the Remnants have had ample time to view the publicly released information, so if they have already collected the information posted, I fail to see how it posed a security risk.

To me this appears to be an attempt to fool us in retracting information we've been given permission to post. At the same time keeping information from the public when Maban's intention for this thread (one of them) was to share the Shard's story, to give hope to humanity, to know that all isn't lost.

I'm sorry but the alarm bells just went off when I saw this post. I'm sorry I'll get back to my catching up.




- Omega

[edit on 18-5-2009 by oconnection]

I missed that post as well - and mostly agree it's an odd request. I find the whole Illuminon premise brings more questions than answers and not sure I even believe there to be such a thing as Illuminon Shards in the first place. It would be good to know there is and what's been shared is based in reality - but ? Could be other things too not the least of which being someone playing head games here. My years of looking at 'why we're here' has led me to different conclusions than theirs. I'm open to information and knowledge - but as yet am not convinced any of this is really real ...







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[edit on 19/5/2009 by Sauron]

reply to post by oconnection


Alternatively, could it be that U2U communications may be laden with more inconsistencies between different members than information presented on-thread?

Recall there were differences between "facts" presented to me vs. others about the Lumen ab Verum, namely the age and manner used to determine it.

Whatever may be factual about what Maban has presented, there is no doubt an element of improvisation.

reply to post by EnlightenUp


I still don't see how that could potentially be a security risk. Various stories about the device in my opinion doesn't pose a security risk.

In my opinion is poses a less of one because who's to say which piece of information is correct. Let me add even one more layer, various details on the device could cause confusion and doubt.

I'll need some answers. Please don't see this as an attempt to derail this thread. I've been here for a while, I very much respect Maban and those who have stuck it out. I just believe we shouldn't be so trusting, blindly.

Perhaps since Maban's passing we've become starved for any leads, any information that presents it self. While I'm always open to explore new avenues I always have my defenses up. It is simply second nature when one is in the business of exploring such topics.

I'm a researcher and there are simple principles one must follow when researching.




- Omega

[edit on 19-5-2009 by oconnection]

The Reformed Illuminon Council

I would like to officially announce that Maban is well and alive, and I would like to personally thank all those whom helped make this possible (you know who you are). He was being held in captivity for some while while a joint Task Force between the
Illuminon Division of Defense, Illuminon Division of Intelligence, and the Illuminon Division of Counterintelligence worked to ascertain his location and ensure his safe return. After receiving and verifying accurate intelligence as to Maban's whereabouts we were able to successfully secure his return. Upon Maban's disappearance we felt it necessary for the sake of Maban's well-being and the safety of fellow Illuminons that Maban's assistant (Tenzin) tell those who may have had a hand in his disappearance that he was dead. Although this was not done the way the Council or myself would have liked, it was followed. I apologize for any hostility or "grilling" some may have felt, but I was simply doing my job.

As of right now I cannot go into details about his return because of the following reason. Maban is currently having technical difficulties with his account and is unable to reply and announce his return as he would have liked. He also will not be using my account to do so for similar reasons. I will be honest, unless these issues are quickly resolved it is likely the council will pull the plug on this program. Currently this issue is not about myself, or the council, but issue from a third party which could bring light to our organization we prefer not lit. That said, it could be very plausible that Maban will be unable to return to this thread, and I will be banned form future posting because of guilt by association. Again if I go into details right now, I may be banned before being able to explain. I will stress that I do not know if this is bureaucracy at work or an attempt to prevent us from having a voice. I will keep individuals up to date with my progress should I be unable to return.

[edit on 19-5-2009 by Kvasir]

reply to post by Kvasir


Can anyone say someone dropped a bomb? Perhaps they intend to excite passions? Maban's dead, no he isn't, oh wait he's alive.

These mind games seem kinda childish and cruel. How could one possibly verify such information.

Maybe we should just go along for the ride and take it as a fascinating story with lines of truth?

I will try not to get overly emotional in my post but seriously wtf?!

Technical difficulties? Want some help? I'm very technical, I'm sure if it's a problem that can be solved, I could help.

Maybe the admins can sense a game being played? It sure has my suspicion radar fully lit. I hope I'm proven wrong.

In one sense this new character has continued the story but at the same time it seems to bring up serious issues from the preexisting posts the Maban posted. I prefer to take from this experience what has been said before and give little trust to this new "Shard" member until he can prove otherwise.

It seems too convenient that when questions come up about your authenticity you throw a bomb, perhaps to distract? I've seen this movie, have the book.


[edit on 19-5-2009 by oconnection]

reply to post by Kvasir


It sounds more like an on-going 007 story now... if its true it's great it all went well... if its not true it was interesting while it lasted

For an organisation that preaches illumination they certainly cast a lot of shadows!

Originally posted by oconnection
reply to post by Kvasir

 

Can anyone say someone dropped a bomb? Perhaps they intend to excite passions? Maban's dead, no he isn't, oh wait he's alive.

Someone set us up the bomb! Sir, there's a soup in my fly. Sir, I ordered cheese only but there's head cheese too.

No wonder Maban couldn't answer that question from Bernard the Monk about the dead coming back. I wonder if they have one of those carcophagus thingies; don't use it too much or you'll go insane.

Let's just be happy Maban is ok and move on like it never happened.



If Maban needs account access, use that lost password gizmo or contact the site about it.

[edit on 5/19/2009 by EnlightenUp]

Maban is alive?

Is this the good news you mentioned?

Hopefully he can return and answer some questions. I'm sure there are a lot to be asked.

---

Changing the subject a bit... Has anyone talked to Cadbury lately? I haven't heard from him for a few days, which is unusual.

Originally posted by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by oconnection
reply to post by Kvasir

 

Can anyone say someone dropped a bomb? Perhaps they intend to excite passions? Maban's dead, no he isn't, oh wait he's alive.

Let's just be happy Maban is ok and move on like it never happened.

[edit on 5/19/2009 by EnlightenUp]

That's it ? Let's just be happy he's okay and move on like it never happened? Or was this sarcasm.... ??

Methinks there's already been too much time wasted...

Originally posted by Kvasir
The Reformed Illuminon Council

I would like to officially announce that Maban is well and alive,

[edit on 19-5-2009 by Kvasir]

seriously, we all knew, all this was a hoax,


We never beleive maban's dead, or his other screen names ( Kvasir,Tenzin etc),

Often in forums, the manipulation strategy of '' Simulating a Dead ''

is use to...

FIRST: brakeup skeptics behaviors by making readers, lower their guard
by making them feel compassionated

SECOND: use this event to push, their religious or selfmade fictional
beliefs, while readers are emotional and vulnerable.

reply to post by openmindresearch


Achilles,

Welcome back once again! I mean this sincerely.

When you have some more posts, send me a U2U. I need to ask you something.

Originally posted by kshaund

Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Let's just be happy Maban is ok and move on like it never happened.

That's it ? Let's just be happy he's okay and move on like it never happened? Or was this sarcasm.... ??

Methinks there's already been too much time wasted...

Oops. I forgot the [sarcasm mode="on"] and [sarcasm mode="off"] switches.

I disagree about any time being really wasted since I gave it of my own accord, without any concern over the veracity of any particular information. I'll keep going as long as it keeps going.

Just came across this and posted:

Missing Link

Interesting coincidence to our whole "who are we" path...