Iraq presents proof of Iranian meddling: official

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I truly wonder at any point in your time on ats, or the moments near after that you reflect on the BS that you pawn off as the clearest form of truth anyone can imagine. And it is the others who are clouded.

AAC

And, sorry for the mis spelling on my last post but I'm sure you catch my drift...BYW Iran is attacking another country right now. Through 3 proxies....Hezbollah in lebanon. Hamas in Gaza (notice I diddnt say palestine) and Iraq. I have a feeling things are going to break loose soon too.

More info:

Night Watch:TEHERAN - “They presented a list of names, training camps and cells linked to Iran. The Iranians did not confirm or admit anything. They claim they are not intervening in Iraq and they feel they are being unfairly blamed for everything going on in Iraq.” That was a statement yesterday from Haidar al-Ibadi, an member of Iraq’s Parliament in contact with the Iraq delegation in Teheran presenting the evidence, supplied by Washington, of Iran’s direct involvement in supporting Sunni-Shia mitias in Iraq. He continued, “The delegation also carried evidence of the smuggling of weapons and training of individuals in Iran to enter into Iraq.” The Gulf-Times/Reuters report the evidence included photographs of weapons with Iranian markings and statements from detained militants. The delegation was also told to say it had proof Mahdi Army leaders escaped to Iran when the Iraq Army and eventually the U. S. re-entered the city after fighting erupted there in late March.

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And how many are we waging? You need to upload "Double-Standard" application for recognition. It's like you don't even see it.

AAC

We are fighting two of course. And for what reason are we fighting these wars? Are they justified or not? Did we get attacked on 9-11 by people being trained in Afghanistan or not? Did Saddam play games with the UN about his wmd and do himself in? Was he a dictator under sanctions by the world community? Was Israel given the green light by the international community to settle in land not even arab owned? Okay what are the double standards? You clearly suffer from optical anti american itis. Why dont you move to Iran?

Originally posted by jasonhb
We are fighting two of course. And for what reason are we fighting these wars?

Special Interest of course, and not that of the American people. What did you think?

Are they justified or not?

In their own pinheads perhaps, and maybe a few others.

Did we get attacked on 9-11 by people being trained in Afghanistan or not?

I'm not sure if Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield, and other zionists had previously trained in afghanistan, or not.

Did Saddam play games with the UN about his wmd and do himself in?

Did Rumsfield make deals with Saddam in the 80's? Yup. Did the double-standard app upload yet, or shall I explain the utter hypocrisy of this?

Was he a dictator under sanctions by the world community?

It seems that the western world didn't fully understand how to keep that region stable like Saddam did. They are now finding out the hard way.

Was Israel given the green light by the international community to settle in land not even arab owned?

Not before they terrorized the british troops by committing their own terror attacks on western interests, including USA.

Okay what are the double standards? You clearly suffer from optical anti american itis.

I guess it's apparent your on dial up, because the upload shouldn't take this long.

Why dont you move to Iran?

Why don't you read a book?

AAC

ok, i just woke up so please forgive me my manners:

i'm very pleased to see that most people here even on this thread have a grasp of truth about israel, media and propaganda. but few selected individuals refuse to see beyond the propaganda grinder that is blurring their view. the iran is not a problem, syria is not a problem, neither is lebanon - you brainwashed people that believe the zionist propaganda that already has grasp on your mind believe so because YOU ARE TEH PROBLEM. you are like those little girls in the picture which i posted on this thread on second page. you have no mind of your own. if you live in america, in europe or whatever except in isreel, why do you even care? you may ask about us who loathe israel, why do we care? BECAUSE HUMAN RIGHTS ARE CONSTANTLY VIOLATED BY ISRAEL. so are the international laws. go and see how many resolutions against israel have been blocked by trio of countries (USA, Israel and some other, like some freakin guatemala).

see, all other countries and most other people do realize that the problem in that region is israel.

palestinians are same people that jews in the area, they have just different religion, and religion has nothing do with the race, actually. they have co-existed peacefully until the land was given to zionist madmen and -women. the jews even gave their children to muslims to look after and visa versa:


even people of your own kind against the zionist israel, so that gotta tell something. please people, open your eyes. but i know my pleas goes to the deaf ears because all you are, you are propagandist that won't listen and won't see. you have glasses with painted history on them. you are the filth and the root of the causes of wars in this planet. because of people like you, people are dying!

wake up or shut up, no one here believes you anyway.

Originally posted by jasonhb
Let's not forget Israel is a democratic country where Iran is not.

Are you perhaps saying that Iran did not have elections? In that case you are wrong. Iran had fair election last time I checked. Or what you mean by that?

Originally posted by jasonhb

The reason Iran has not attacked anyboy is beacuse they have allways been a 3rd world isloted country until the days of the Shaw.

OMG Iran is former Persia. Persia? Rings any bells? I think it is far from 3rd world 'categorization'.

Originally posted by jasonhb
And, sorry for the mis spelling on my last post but I'm sure you catch my drift...BYW Iran is attacking another country right now. Through 3 proxies....Hezbollah in lebanon. Hamas in Gaza (notice I diddnt say palestine) and Iraq. I have a feeling things are going to break loose soon too.

Yes, no worries about the spelling, I'm sure you tried your best. Do you know how many countries US and Israel are attacking 'through their proxies'? Try to count - if you can count that far. What are you doing in Somalia? What are you doing in Afghanistan, in Iraq? That's already three, but we can go on.

I am getting tired of this BS. Why are peeps so ignorant? Can't blame them I guess. Maybe they need the slap on the face to wake from their slumber

Sincerely,

The reason Iran has not attacked anyboy is beacuse they have allways been a 3rd world isloted country until the days of the Shaw. Hard to attack another country on a donkey with koran in hand. If you think isolated groups are training and funding Sard's militia you are obviously looking away from reality. Iran is a police state. The types of weapons they are finding in Iraq arent browning 22's bought from the local gun shop my friend. These are military grade weapons straight from the Revolutairy gaurd. I would go ahead and present facts as to Irans government wanting to kill infidels but I'm sure you are smart enough to either know it allready or you are are just in your own headspace and cant admit it.

Do you even know who the Shaw [sic] (Shah is the word you are looking for) is?

He was the result of an American inspired coup to depose the democratically elected Mossadegh. He was a dictator who tortured and imprisoned thousands of people; and was the number one reason why the Islamic revolution happened.

Ever wonder why they stormed the American embassy?
It was because it was the centre of intelligence gathering for the Shah. The CIA trained the Iranian secret police and used the embassy as a post to identify opposition leaders for kidnap or murder with their intelligence apparatus.

America wanted another cushy job similar to Saudi Arabia. And it went badly wrong.

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There was know one living in the land yet except maybe a few nomads or did you forget that part. The Jews established the nation of Israel. Your one of the lost alright thats for sure.

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Your ignorance on the issue shows tremendously. Your spelling shows your intelligence. So guess what. Your opinion on the issue don't matter. If the world wanted to go backward in time and live in mud huts they would sympathize with you and your beloved terrorist.

Originally posted by v01i0

Are you perhaps saying that Iran did not have elections? In that case you are wrong. Iran had fair election last time I checked. Or what you mean by that?

Fair elections my rear. They fairly give them a choice of radical Islamics to be puppet presidents and not have the true power that the Ayatollah has. The real leader of the country.

OMG Iran is former Persia. Persia? Rings any bells? I think it is far from 3rd world 'categorization'.

Wrong again. Yes in the early days they were a once powerful and evil nation bent on killing and conquering everything they wanted. Thankfully Alexander destroyed them. Ever since then yes they have been a third world country and had the chance of not being one under the leadership of the Shaw.

Do you know how many countries US and Israel are attacking 'through their proxies'? Try to count - if you can count that far. What are you doing in Somalia? What are you doing in Afghanistan, in Iraq? That's already three, but we can go on.

Yes we are fighting the lunatic Islamics where ever we can because we want to kill them where ever we can. They are uncivilized butchers bent on converting everyone to their sick twisted religion of the anti-Christ. "ISLAM"

I am getting tired of this BS. Why are peeps so ignorant? Can't blame them I guess. Maybe they need the slap on the face to wake from their slumber

I think I have just shown you that you are the ignorant one here so go slap yourself bud.

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Just to clarify - i am not one of girls in the photo...
So you say i am the problem. Very well. Let us forget Iran, Iraq, other countries with interests in the region and ctr. Let us even consider Israel the only country on the globe disregarding human rights and international laws (though the list of other countries will be very very long). For the sake of argument however i am willing to accept your objective approach (quoting: ....about us who loathe .....).
There is a country filled with propagandists and filth that since 1948 causes wars and problems in the known universe.
And yet a simple question - in all the atrocities and wars Israel killed how much? Banished how much? Please understand that i actually disagree with you on all the issues, but even agreeing with you i cannot see your point. Say the next morning Israel will vanish (magic/aliens - whatever). World will be as peacefully as before? With several hundred millions dead in world wars, in persecutions (and not by zionists - by their enemies - communists and nazis), with colonialist policies that their results rock Africa to this day?
With political backstabbing , hunger, poverty...
So it is happening now? But it happened before. And will happen again.
It is very well that people fight against what they think is unjust and wrong. However only few really can claim that they are standing on higher moral grounds then the rest (or then someone specific, rotten and stuff). You are of course one of them.
Oh..I forgot. Good morning.

reply to post by Sky watcher


When will you back up your false assertions with facts so that we all can take notice of you noticing that you are in fact, ignorantly wrong?

AAC

Originally posted by Sky watcher
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Your ignorance on the issue shows tremendously. Your spelling shows your intelligence.

Look what I found by Mr. Sky watcher just one post above.

There was know one living in the land yet except maybe a few nomads or did you forget that part. The Jews established the nation of Israel. Your one of the lost alright thats for sure.

There was Know one living? You meant no one, right? Do you still believe that...

Your spelling shows your intelligence.

This is so funny, and should be taken as note that your mouth is ahead of your knowledge.

AAC

Originally posted by Sky watcher
There was know one living in the land yet except maybe a few nomads or did you forget that part. The Jews established the nation of Israel. Your one of the lost alright thats for sure.

Oh right...just a few nomads. I guess when the Israelites killed off the Canaanites and Phoenicians to steal the land from them, it was just two or three "nomads" that died, right?

[edit on 4-5-2008 by DJMessiah]

Any proof of Iran being involved in Iraq benefits very few parties these days. Most countries have been completely turned off by the US government's war of terror. Our staunchest allies seem to be speaking out as the rogue federal government and its shareholders in the federal reserve take complete control over this country. Our economic system is in shambles. We are in trillions of dollars of debt to foreign countries. Our dollar is not our own.

Another war is going to set the entire world into the equivalent of world war 3. We've been fighting the covert WW3 against the "Communists" for close to 60 years now. Today we have the "axis of evil" and no surprise, Iran is on that list. How convenient that Iran was an enemy of Saddam. And Saddam fell. Our puppet dictator of Iraq was hung by his own people years after we places him in power. To think that the world turns a blind eye after being lied to again and again.

Our credibility is shot. After 911 we had the entire world behind us. The world was united behind America as we suffered a great loss. Our homeland was attacked by terrorists, and the first action we decide to take is invade a sovereign nation.

That action lead to an invasion of another sovereign nation (but according to O'Reilly we never invaded Iraq - it seems the neocons live in an alternate dimension). Both invasions have cost thousands of American lives along with tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands (or millions) of Iraqi, et all lives.

Who benefits from both invasions? The oil companies gain a key asset in which to control. The US government receives additional tax revenue to sustain itself, and politicians take the check from Exxon-Mobil and Shell.

And of course our little ally Israel. Our closest ally in the war on terror. What a coincidence.

Is it any coincidence Israel exists in some of the most fertile land in the middle east? How else could the Israelis sustain their population?

How about the people living there before Israel was created? I didn't forget about the "nomads" in Palestine before 1948. What a bunch of heathens.

Palestine before 1948

In the early 20 century, when Jewish mass immigration to Palestine began, the local Arab population was overwhelmingly rural and many cultivated land owned by aristocratic families who resided in Jerusalem, Beirut or Damascus.

That's a direct contradiction to "nomadic" Palestinians.

There was no urban working class in Palestine and thus no labor movement. Hence, related political ideology was prevalent among the new immigrants who arrived mainly from Russia, which was on the verge of a Socialist revolution.

Ashkenazi Russians moved to Israel to create the state of Israel.

In the context of Zionism, however, the egalitarian and internationalist components of Socialism were made to fit the colonialist nature of Jewish national aspirations in Palestine. Thus, Labor Zionism emerged as a distinct political ideology, which proved to be the most successful movement in the nation-building process and which has - though at first glance it seems more “leftist” and less openly aggressive towards the indigenous population - contributed largely to the continuous marginalization, exclusion and expulsion of the Arab population from Palestine.

Suddenly the existing residents didn't matter. Israel was its own, free nation.

After World War I, with growing Jewish immigration and a new colonial ruler, the British Empire, the local Arab population was confronted with a number of new and unknown challenges, including rapid industrialization and large-scale colonialist settlement.

New colonists invading settled territory. That much is never fully explained.

History of pre-1948 Palestine

Would anyone like an estimate on the number of residents in Palestine before 1948?

The Zionist claim that Palestine was "a land without a people" is challenged by pro-Palestinian historians who cite census figures showing a substantial Palestinian-Arab population by 1914. The Zionists note that most of this increase seems to have occurred after 1880, when Jews began developing Palestine. In particular, Joan Peters ("From Time Immemorial") claimed that a large proportion of the population increase among Arabs was due to immigration. Pro-Palestinian historians try to make a case that Zionist settlement had begun displacing Palestinians before 1948.

Population of Palestine before 1948

I'd call this an invasion.



Map of Palestine:




[edit on 5/4/2008 by biggie smalls]

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How Israel benefits from US invasion in Iraq? There is no mutual border, Israel has no claims on it territory. Maybe you can elaborate.

And about the most fertile land - is it a joke? Nile region, Iraq, Iran ....
I can not understand why you fail to see that Israel was considered a homeland because it was a homeland. If there was no war in 1948 - Israel could not take all that territory. And guess who declared war.

Also , why you think that Ashkenazi Jews from Russia are not Jews - Jew is birth (which is the case) or religion. So Jew from Ethiopia is (or should not) be different from Yemenite Jew.

I dont know about you but I wouldnt want a country that still believes in 17th century thinking with their trigger on a nuclear devise. The liberals in this country are allways voting for the the bad guys, it's so wierd. Liberals claim to be for human rights but then they say nothing of the right of people in Iran, Somalia, previous Iraq. Always blaming the good ol' USA.

BTW - I hear Irans Revolutionary Gaurd is looking for some extra help due to ***T getting ready to break loose with the free world. I thought I'd pass on the info to the sympathizers of their cause on this site. Be forwarned to bring your copy of the Koran and Burka for your wife. Dont be late to prayers or else you will be whipped by the Police. I also hear they will teach you how to put your head firmly between your legs so you can kiss your *ss goodbye when the Americans come.