Does this quote make it all but impossible to vote for Obama?

I don't believe the statement originally made was taken out of context. Senator Obama needs to be on top of the FBI and CIA not the general population of the U.S. Every American and resident in the U.S. was traumatized by 9/11 and his specifically allying himself with middle easterners and then refering to how he hoped Americans have learned their lessons about Japanese concentration camps, etc. Again, Hoover had the most to do with this atrocity. And, his statements in my opinion is trying to lay a guilt trip on the American population.

I will never be for such detainments or torture tactics, but I must say that I would like to feel safe in my own country of origin. The terrorists had help along the way while here in the U.S. 9/11 was an attack on America. This disaster was not some slight blemish on Americans. It was an act of extreme hate for the U.S.

Senator Obama should choose his words more wisely. He can give support to Muslims that is appropriate as long as it is does not defer his allegiance from the very Americans who have put him in office already or who might actually vote for him to become President.

Regardless of his statements, I think he is arrogant and wishy-washy and his only interest is in himself! During the debates he is always looking down seeming to write notes, but I always feel like he's just making doodles. He just has a nonchalant attitude and looks like he could care less about what is being said, Senator Obama is relishing in all his supporters like Senator Kerry, Senator Kennedy, Oprah Winfrey, and a host of other Congressman. In my opinion, Senator Obama calls himself a Democrat but I believe he is a Republican all the way!

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

It is clear to me at least that Obama grew up pretty much an "Oreo"--black on the outside and white on the inside. He was raised in a white culture, attended the two top two Ivy League schools and excelled in both endeavors.

When he went to Chicago, he fooled no one, because it would be clear to any homeboy that even though Obama was a little dark and had nappy hair, that was just the exterior and that he was culturely white....

Jesus Christ Grady!
There is so much wrong with your statements (far beyond your offensive terms). It was my understanding that he was raised in a fairly mixed culture in Hawaii (although primarily white like most places in America) and dealt with being a black man in a culture and time that although was accepting of various races on the surface, beneath the surface held long standing stereotypes about black people. These stereotypes prevented Obama from being completely accepted. If anything, this shows a level of understanding for the outcasts, and the root of his desire to unite people despite their particular cultural differences, rather than the majority assimilating the minority into the whole.

And are you assuming that because someone attends an Ivy League school they are an 'Oreo' and in some way pretending to be white? In many cases, minority students at Ivy League schools understand the racial divide more than most. Just the idea that you'd assume someone less black for attending a good school is baffling.

As for Obama's relationship with Wright, I see it this way. Between his wife, Reverend Wright and his work with his law firm he could see the anger that had built up in the American black culture. Because he was well educated at the best schools he could see both sides of the coin. Inside looking out, or outside looking in it seems like Obama recognizes the problems that exist in a larger picture, and not afro or eurocentrically.

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There are no offensive terms in my post. If you're speaking of the terms "Oreo" and "nappy," these are terms that are commonly used in the black community, at least the culture that I was associated with for more than twenty years.

It's no secret that when Obama went to Chicago, he was met with skepticism because he was not "black enough."

This was an impediment to his career goals, so he sought to change that impression. Rev. Wright's congregation was a part of that strategy.

There's nothing in my post that has not been confirmed by either Obama, his associates, or the media.

So, I stand by my assessment, including my choice of words, which might shock you, but are appropriately descriptive terms of currency.

Yes, this quote makes it impossible now. Who cares where the man stands on issues that matter to the nation. I don't care about the economy. I don't care about the war. I don't care about my civil rights. I don't care about government corruption. What matters to me is weather or not he is friendly with those blood thirsty muslims.

(the above was sarcasm)

Originally posted by Karlhungis
Yes, this quote makes it impossible now. Who cares where the man stands on issues that matter to the nation. I don't care about the economy. I don't care about the war. I don't care about my civil rights. I don't care about government corruption. What matters to me is weather or not he is friendly with those blood thirsty muslims.

(the above was sarcasm)

His affiliation to Islam is not ALL that matters by any means, but to say it doesn't matter at all would be foolish.

And people can make explanations for Obama and his connection to Reverand Wright and his church of hate until they are blue in the face. The fact remains that evidence has been presented which shows that the man Obama has spent the last twenty years being indoctrinated by a man who is as openly racist and as divisive as Louis Farakhan, David Duke or any other race based hate monger. To say that this should not be a concern for American voters of ALL colors and backgrounds is naive at best.

Obama is trying his best to paint himself as someone who promotes unity and diversity and equal opportunity for all races, religions and backgrounds. He is trying to form himself as the candidate of tolerance and the candidate for the people. The only problem is that for everything that he says while on the campaign trail to perpetrate this myth, his actual history and his past record contradicts everything that he would like for people to believe.

I challenge you all who give Obama a pass on his history within that racist church to put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say for arguments sake that it came to light that John Mccain was a member of a church for twenty years, a church that was openly racist and preached scathing and hateful dogma against the black population. Would you be so willing to give him a pass too? Oh, but they are just frustrated and disenfranchised whites venting off steam, right? Surely they couldn't mean what they were preaching, right? Sounds like a cop out to me.

If a white pastor had gone on national television and made a racist, anti-American, border line xenophobic rant like Rev Wright did this past week, the black community and the other democratic groups would be marching through downtown D.C. with his head on a skewer. If it came to light that Mccain had been sitting in a racist, white seperatist type of church for the past twenty years, do you REALLY honestly believe that he wouldn't be crucified for it? How about if Mccain wrote a scathing book as a young man demonizing and shunning the black community much like Obama has? How outraged would you all be then?

Like it or not, Obama does not get a pass just because he is African American and because he promises to make "change". Change can mean a lot of different things, and it isn't always a good thing. I am tired of the double standards in regard to this man. He should be held accountable for his statements both spoken and written and he should be taken to task over his history as a member of an openly racist, anti American church.

Obama is living proof that you had better choose your friends and your actions carefully, because the past certainly has a way of coming back and biting you on the ass if you aren't careful.

[edit on 5/1/08 by BlackOps719]

His affiliation to Islam is not ALL that matters by any means, but to say it doesn't matter at all would be foolish.

What "affiliation to Islam"?!?
He said he wouldn't participate in a pogrom against Muslims - good for him.

John McCain describes a guy who says Catholics worship Satan and calls for the execution of gays as his "spiritual advisor", and the media has essentially given him a free pass... "liberal media" my left buttcheek

The disinfo is coming on like a flood now, I am starting to think the PTB are genuinely afraid of an Obama presidency.

[edit on 5/1/08 by xmotex]

The quote from "The Audacity of Hope" makes it clear that Obama is talking about Muslim Americans, not Muslims in the middle east, and he's saying he would stand up for them if the atmosphere in the country gets "ugly," like calling for internment camps as we did to the Japanese Americans in WWII. He's not saying he wouldn't stand up for other Americans who are being treated wrongly or that Muslim Americans deserve any preferential treatment.

Some of Obama's views are problematic to many people, but I think the "Muslim question" has been put to rest. It's been talked to death here on ATS and shown to have no basis in fact. He is not a Muslim, he considers Israel an ally, and he is not likely to declare jihad on the U.S. if he's elected president.

I don't know. When Obama first came out in his bid for the Democratic seat I was very impressed with him. He seemed to be genuine, he seemed to have new ideas and a pretty clear idea of the changes that he wanted to make to help out the American people. The guy talks a great game, but the more I learn about him and the more negative info that surfaces about his past and the people that he has associated himself with over the last twenty years, the less I tend to believe him.

Again, not suggesting that he would declare Sharia law if elected or side with Islamic terrorists. But we have a responsibilty to know who he REALLY is and where his loyalties sit in regards to the United States and the people. We cannot afford to have a president with ties to black Muslim extremists OR Christian extremists (Wright). For him to come out and basically lie about his role in that church is a real let down. To hear him initially stand and defend the words and beliefs of his pastor when this mess first began, that too was disheartening.

I honestly think at this point that Obama believes exactly the same as Wright and the other followers of the church, which is why he refused to come out and denounce his message right away. He and his wife truly and honestly believe that what this man Jeremiah Wright says is the truth. Why else would he come to his defense? Why else would he have him perform their wedding ceremony and christen their children?

But when the storm of controversy surrounding Wright went into full effect, Obama decided that he had to distance himself from the church and his mentor for fear of losing precious white votes.

Well guess what Barack, you did lose precious white votes. And hopefully many other types of votes, from people who do not agree with the messages of racial hate and contempt toward America and it's citizens. In a race between Mccain and Obama, my first initial choice would likely have been Obama believe it or not.

Now after all is said and done, there is no way I would ever have any hand in putting this guy in the highest position our country has to offer. No chance.

Obama saying that he sat in a church listening to racist sermons for twenty years but not knowing what was being preached ranks right up there with Willie Clinton and his claims to have smoked marijuana but NEVER INHALED. Instantly the b.s. meter went right through the roof.

[edit on 5/1/08 by BlackOps719]

Some of Obama's views are problematic to many people........

Well, once Obama becomes more consistent with his views and opinions then "to many people," which I guess includes me based on your statements, might not find them so problematic......as opposed to you who seems to be on the same wave length.

Classic example of how taking a quote out of context can change the entire meaning. IMO Barrack is our best chance to getting back to the America we once knew and loved.

I believe that if their was a Muslim "Serpico" who talked and told us who and where the bad guys are we as a country would be in a better situation.
Stop saying "We are not all terrorists" and then going back to your life and not helping us in the fight against the terrorists.

I want a President who says " I will protect Americans." Not " I will protect you from the marauding hoard of racist, bullies who want you to become American and join in all that America offers."

Barak wants to offend no one. I want a President who will offend the people who are killing us.

Originally posted by xmotex
The disinfo is coming on like a flood now, I am starting to think the PTB are genuinely afraid of an Obama presidency.

Agreed. Too bad STUPID Americans that can't read between the lines or be bothered with some detective work to verify what they hear! Go ahead and continue to be screwed day in and day out (without realizing it) because you have been so brainwashed by the MSM to the point you can no longer see the truth in all the lies. The "Rove"ian tactics are working like a charm! Rev. Wright was so right, God Damn America, it is happening and ALL our lives are going to change very shortly for the worse (if you are oblivious and unprepared). Thanks for ruining humanity as we know it, see you on the otherside, you ignorant waste of life and soul. You should be ashamed.

Originally posted by percievedreality

Originally posted by xmotex
The disinfo is coming on like a flood now, I am starting to think the PTB are genuinely afraid of an Obama presidency.

Agreed. Too bad STUPID Americans that can't read between the lines or be bothered with some detective work to verify what they hear! Go ahead and continue to be screwed day in and day out (without realizing it) because you have been so brainwashed by the MSM to the point you can no longer see the truth in all the lies. The "Rove"ian tactics are working like a charm! Rev. Wright was so right, God Damn America, it is happening and ALL our lives are going to change very shortly for the worse (if you are oblivious and unprepared). Thanks for ruining humanity as we know it, see you on the otherside, you ignorant waste of life and soul. You should be ashamed.

And I assume that the MSM and STUPID American voters are the ones who invented Jeremiah Wright as well? Did the MSM and the stpid American voters convince him to come out and link himself to Obama, all while being so brilliant as to come on national tv and spew his anti American, racist diatribe?

And since you have such a feel for research, here are a few names that you can check into, since they are known associates of Mr. Obama:



William Ayers - American Terrorist

Raila Odinga - Cousin, Radical Islamist

Raul Reyes - Columbian Terrorist

Antonio Rezko - Muslim Slum Lord

Professor Khalidi - Muslim Terrorist Supporter

Reverend Wright - Racist Muslim Supporter/Preacher, Anti-American

Reverend James Meeks - Racist

Reverend Louis Farrakhan - Racist Nation of Islam / Faux Preacher

Nadhmi Auchi - Muslim Billionaire

Sohaib Abassi - Muslim Millionaire


To be honest, Carl Rove and the competition really do not have to make any effort to undermine Obama's campaign or ruin his name amongst voters, he and his "supporters" seem to be doing a damn fine job of it on their own.

Originally posted by BlackOps719
To be honest, Carl Rove and the competition really do not have to make any effort to undermine Obama's campaign or ruin his name amongst voters, he and his "supporters" seem to be doing a damn fine job of it on their own.

Your right, they don't have to put forth much of an effort (must be nice to be so all powerful). They have people (like you) who believe the above to be true, having been directly dictated by the PTB to the MSM to the STUPID American populace. You know I wouldn't be so bitter, if I had no moral conscience either. Sh%t, I'd be another millionaire bilking someone else and doing just fine, except when judgement day comes, whomever put us here is going to be kind to me and actually (for once) hold the PTB accountable for their wrongdoings in humanity.

Originally posted by BlackOps719
And I assume that the MSM and STUPID American voters are the ones who invented Jeremiah Wright as well? Did the MSM and the stpid American voters convince him to come out and link himself to Obama, all while being so brilliant as to come on national tv and spew his anti American, racist diatribe?

No, they did not "invent" him, I never implied that, he does exist. (on vacation or not) They (PTB controlling the MSM) did however introduce him and what they perceived his views to be to the public. You missed the Rev. Wright message, it was not anti-America as the MSM spun you to believe, it was anti-American GOVERNMENT (the neo-con agenda that has been in place for nearly a century)

Originally posted by BlackOps719
And since you have such a feel for research, here are a few names that you can check into, since they are known associates of Mr. Obama:

William Ayers - American Terrorist
Raila Odinga - Cousin, Radical Islamist
Raul Reyes - Columbian Terrorist
Antonio Rezko - Muslim Slum Lord
Professor Kalidi - Muslim Terrorist Supporter
Reverend Wright - Racist Muslim Supporter/Preacher, Anti-American
Reverend James Meeks - Racist
Reverend Louis Farrakhan - Racist Nation of Islam / Faux Preacher
Nadhmi Auchi - Muslim Billionaire
Sohaib Abassi - Muslim Millionaire

Yeah, thanks for the heads up...I have already researched the above "associates". They are IMO, slightly better than the "associates" of Bush/McCain/Clinton, but whatever, believe what you will, use your own judgement. At least Obama is not a murderer or a liar as you claim. We are past the point of no return, but rather than fight each other (PTBs' goal) could we agree to fight them when the time comes very soon?

[edit on 1-5-2008 by percievedreality]

It all depends.
If he is bad person he would hide his true sentiments.

If he has a good moral character he would speak his conscience.

What he said was "if the political winds turn ugly". Makes me think Germany 19-36-19-45

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I agree with you 100%, and were you to know me or have ever read my posts in the past you will see that I hold nothing but the greatest of contempt for Bush and the republican party in general. His administration has been the single greatest disaster that this country has ever faced. Which is precisely why I do not want to see our country go spinning wildly from ultra ignorant conservative to ultra ignorant leftist in one fell swoop.

It would be nice to have a president who took EVERYONES well being into consideration, not someone who will raise his own agenda and screw the rest of us. I would vote for a more independant midlle of the road type of candidate, unfortunately there isnt one. Except for Ron Paul, who as wise and well qualified as he may be, stands a snowballs chance in hell of winning in this two party stale mate of an electorate system that we currently have.

Oh well, whoever wins will win and probably not a hell of a lot any of us can say or do about it.

[edit on 5/1/08 by BlackOps719]

Well....People who support Obama want the America we "used to have" and the people who are afraid of an Obama presidency have something in common -

an illusion or delusion that what this country "used to be" is somehow worthy of worshipful adoration....

The USA was founded on the genocide of its original inhabitants (previously called "manifest destiny"), built on the backs of millions of African slaves, and its constitution originally established for white male property owners only...everything else we have that is progressive was fought for in the streets including the Bill of Rights - originally these rights were promised to the average farmers and militia men who fought the revolution for the "founding fathers" but when it came time for the founding fathers to fulfill their end of the bargain they renigged and the boys had to hit the streets - this time to demand with their blood once again what was promised to them in the first place...so what is it exactly that people want to go back to????

Here's what I want to go "back to" - the spirit of the average men - black and white, that stood together and fought for their rights - but that spirit is now tied up in institutional politics and sound-bite thinking....because if this fighting spirit were in play - there would have been outpouring into the streets of this country when our government revoked the Magna Carte (a turning point in history for the rights of men and women everywhere) - that is the right to be heard in a court of law - Habeas Corpus, surely you all were aware its been missing from our laws now for over a year???

If you're really interested I could cite some more rights that have been stripped away with nary a whimper from our congress - our supposed representatives...but let's just start with this one - Habeas Corpus -

Whoever is elected will be tested by this one act - will he or she reinstate our right of Habeas Corpus?
If the answer to that question is NO - I will know exactly what and whose side they are on...until then its all just talk...

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

It is clear to me at least that Obama grew up pretty much an "Oreo"--black on the outside and white on the inside. He was raised in a white culture, attended the two top two Ivy League schools and excelled in both endeavors.

When he went to Chicago, he fooled no one, because it would be clear to any homeboy that even though Obama was a little dark and had nappy hair, that was just the exterior and that he was culturely white....

Ironically Grady, you are expressing the same kind of ignorance he has been fighting to change while pretending it's community "straight talk". It is the same kind of self-inflicted (and somewhat self deprecating) stereotype that many in the black community are attempting to erase so please do not spout distasteful "currency" and profess to speak for the entire black community. I know many who would be offended by those terms. Not shocked, offended. I pity your circle that gives that ideology the "thumbs up". You can call yourself or your friends nappy-headed Oreo's if you like though. I know some people that would not react kindly to it contrary to what you seem to think.

As Obama has stated (as well as many others in the black community) when a African-American is an educated and successful professional he/she is a sell-out. When he is reading and studying in school he is an Oreo. So what is a real African-American then? What is the alternate? Pretty grim. This self-destructive labeling only serves to help maintain the mental and physical poverty of a community that is serious need of some drastic changes.

There are plenty of people that would be so lucky to have been as successful as Obama is. That said...there is a lot of jealousy and anger that comes with that.

If people want to label him a secret terrorist then they are sadly uninformed and should take a look at the facts before embracing the fears.

- Lee

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I beg to differ with you. I chose to use the language of the street as I learned it, to illustrate the kind of prejudice that Obama faced when he first went to South Chicago.

But. before we go further, I'm tired of people calling me ignorant, when my experience has eradicated every bit of ignorance and naiveté that I might have labored under some 45 years ago.

Frankly, I'm also a little tired of the arrogance of those who presume to project their lack of experience on me and call it ignorance.

I used the term Oreo in this context, because I have heard it used by so many blacks who hate blacks who strive to excel academically or professionally.

It is not a term that I use to describe any blacks, except in this context where the subject has already been broached, because I do not look down on anyone who strives to rise above his humble existence.

I have often heard the stories of those who living in a project and go to work everyday to better themselves only to be heckled by the unemployed, the drug dealers and other criminals as an "Oreo" as he walks to his car to go to work.

These stories are too often told to not have validity and I've heard the stories told with great sincerity with my own ears.

I know quite well that blacks stereotype one another along many dimensions and I know that this is unfair, but please don't call me ignorant because I lived in this culture for a quarter century and have heard it all.

As for the rest of your post, I don't know what you're talking about, so I will end my post here.

Oh, here are some references that might clarify my intent.

The New Black Nativism

Barack is married to a black woman, has spent years doing community work in the ghettos and is by lineage certainly more African than most African Americans. But black America's view of him is clouded by the facts that he is the son of an immigrant and that he was brought up mainly by middle-class whites whose culture is second nature to him. Although the Congressional Black Caucus, still strongly influenced by the civil rights generation, remains surprisingly liberal on immigration issues, the black middle class appears to harbor a hardening anti-immigrant sentiment--a Pew poll last year found that 54% of blacks see immigrants as a burden. More disturbing, however, is what that sentiment reveals about a growing pattern of self-segregation among the black middle class, many of whom, like the residents of Prince George's County, Md., seem to have largely given up on school and social integration.

www.time.com...

Some of you may have noticed that Barack is not getting the automatic support from African American leaders that many assumed he would get since throwing his hat into the ring for the Democratic nomination for the presidency and Mr. Chude-Sokei makes an effort to inform us as to why this might be true. Unfortunately, while it has a few good points it misses the mark in too many ways.

The main point, according to Chude-Sokei, is that Obama isn't "black enough" to get the support of the standing Black American leadership because of his White/Hawaiian/African (meaning NOT African American, but real African) heritage.

newsbusters.org...

In his speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) declared that there is no black America or white America — only the United States of America. Since the launch of his campaign for president, the black political establishment has openly questioned Obama's political experience and his cultural background — whether, in effect, he is black enough, or whether he can be described as an African-American at all.

www.npr.org...

African Americans are openly asking whether the first-term Illinois senator is "black enough."

But in order to court the black vote he will need to win the Democratic nomination, he must be careful not to raise any flags among a white electorate, which so far feels unthreatened by him.

"When you hear about his background, you hear Hawaii, Kenya (where his father was born), or Kansas (his mother's home state). You don't hear Alabama," says Ronald Walters, president of the African American Leadership Institute at the University of Maryland. "It's not strange at all that blacks would view him with a little suspicion. When somebody presents themselves, you want to look them over and if they don't share your background you might withhold judgment."

www.thestar.com...

Some refer to Obama as a racial category all to himself: in the eyes of those who praise him he is a new, different and (by implication) better kind of black politician than those who have previously strode across the American political landscape. To others his background suggests a lack of authenticity. He's black alright, but simply not "black enough". A poll showing black Americans backed Hillary Clinton by three-to-one seemed to bear this out, although another poll in yesterday's Washington Post suggested that black voters are starting to support the black candidate in greater numbers.

"When black Americans refer to Obama as 'one of us', I do not know what they are talking about," wrote the African-American columnist Stanley Crouch in November. "He has not lived the life of a black American ... If we end up with him as our first black president, he will have come into the White House through a side door - which might at this point be the only one open."

www.guardian.co.uk...

The continuous harangue that Rev Jeremiah Wright chose to inflict on America politics by his embarrassingly offensive remarks about “race relations” came out as nothing more than a private invective muddying the decent political debate that had occupied center stage recently. Most analysts I listened to concluded that it looked like Obama is not black enough for Rev Wright.

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While this has nothing to do with Barack Obama, it is a personal testimony of a woman who has struggled with her identity and having been told many times that she is not "black enough." It's a bit rambling, but it is sincere and illustrates the kind of issues people like Obama and many others face when they dare to be "not black enough."

I highly recommend it.

Not Black Enough!



Another personal testimony.



YouTube Search: Not Black Enough


[edit on 2008/5/2 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

There are no offensive terms in my post. If you're speaking of the terms "Oreo" and "nappy," these are terms that are commonly used in the black community, at least the culture that I was associated with for more than twenty years.

Grady, I appreciate your post and your intentions behind it, but there are better ways to make your point than to call people 'nappy headed Oreos'. I'm personally offended by such remarks and I'm sure you could find a better way of expressing the same thoughts without using such insulting terms. This is especially true when your particular choice of words weren't from a quote, but of your own selection.

You also seem to be under the impression that because you lived in a black community that it gives you free reign to use these types of offensive terms in your posts. And far be it from me to say that you don't have the right to use them, but out of respect for the "nappy headed Oreos" on this site, can you please refrain from using them in the future? Call it a personal favor.