The Seduction of Eve..

As many of you may well know, I'm not necessarily the most articulate of writers. I read alot, and run across many interesting/thought provoking insights, yet conveying them is not my expertise. Regretfully.

One such recent discovery, for me, was the story of the apple, and Eve...

How a mere piece of fruit could cause so much havok, destruction, chaos and even death? It really makes little sense. And would seem to only cause further the perception of creator "God" to become less appealing as someone to draw near to. I mean, "all of this hostility/hell?", "for one bite, of one measly apple?", geesh...

But as I have grown to find, the details of the Bible, are so often so easily overlooked. A single sentence can unlock volumes of insight, or, it can simply be missed, overlooked.

I believe it was Winston Churchill that said, "Man ocassionally stumbles over the truth, but usually picks himself up and carries on". Or words to this effect.

Is the truth that Satan actually had a sexual encounter with Eve? My oh my oh my, how that simple understanding would so much change the severity and perception of the story.

www.sherrytalkradio.com...

now, if the hyperlink I attempted to insert (above) linked correctly, it will give you some insight to what I am attempting to bring to light. "The fact that Eve did have a sexual encounter with Satan".

If this is true, why isn't it being revealed?

note: I don't necessarily agree/disagree with eveything found on the website in which this mp3 was found.
However, I do believe the information found on the link listed above, to be at the very least, something every serious Bible truth-seeker should consider.

ps., The story of Eves seduction begins approx. 1/3 of the way into the mp3.

rs.

reply to post by dirtusbagious


Didn't she get Adam to eat of the apple as well? Does that mean had a sexual encounter with the devil or that he was possibly gay? There are a lot of thoughts out there on the creation story if you look for them. Everyone will have their own opinion, and chances are in a month your opinion wont be the same as it is now.

Just a couple other threads:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I tried finding some old threads that I liked that talked about Sumerian mythology (Enki, Enlil, etc) and the bible, but I couldn't find them. I suggest walking down that road if you are interested.

Gee wiz guys, read the dang Bible first. God said don't eat from the tree of the knoledge of good an evil, for you will surely die (and He was right), so Satan comes along takning the for of a serpen tempts Evet and says, hey you wont die from eating this fruit, God's just afraid you'll become like Him (even though in at least one way we are all like God, seeing how we are created in His image and carry some of His attributes). So Eve eats the fruit (which it never states it's an apple, I don't even know why people think that or where the origin of that comes from) and in doing so disobeys God and then she say yo, Adam, check this out, I'm eating that fruit we're not supposed to eat, look, I'm not dead yet, it's safe to eat. So they both eat the fruit, they sinned and sin brings death. There is nothing in the Bible that says, suggests or inferes that either one of them had sex with Satan, that's just plain silly. The eating of the fruit was about obedience and sin, not sex.

However later on people did have sex with "satan" and that was one of the things that brought about the flood.

Didn't she get Adam to eat of the apple as well? Does that mean had a sexual encounter with the devil or that he was possibly gay?

Often, one question only raises another.

Though she does not really go into the question that then deserves to be asked, "What of Adam?", it seems I recall finding eleswhere, somewhere along the way, the possible insight, (possible more in that if I remember correctly), that Adams then partaking of intercourse with his mate Eve, would have at that point been involved (even unknowingly?) in a type of "homosexual activity". Same as when a wife commits adultery, and the husband then has intercourse with her, he is then in effect, having sexual contact with her previous partner. A type of "sloppy seconds", if you will.
(pardon that last comparason).

Of course then the question may be raised, "How could that hold Adam accountable for the "original sin"?
Perhaps God holds men higher accountable, I don't know "that" specific answer, yet..

An honest question, will eventually, be given an honest answer, I've found..

I must have missed that place where Satan and Eve had sex, as i recall, he tempted her with the power to be the SAME as God. Sex never was that big of a deal, Adam had sex with all the female animals before the Creator made Lilith to be his wife. Lilith did have intercourse with Satan and gave birth to the race of Demons. Adam complained to God about Lilith, so God created Eve from his rib so she would stand at his side. You might want to read up on the Pseudographia, also known as the lost books of the Bible. You should also study up on Hebrew Myths and legends. The bible is kind of like a book in three parts and the church only told you about the last two. That first part really changes how you will interpret the old and new testament, and possibly your interpretation of God.

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reply to post by dirtusbagious


Hey, um, read the Bible.
Women are held just as accountable as men. it was "mankind" that sinned, they both ate the fruit, it does not say, suggest or infere that anyone had sex with satan.

reply to post by debris765nju


Yeah buddy, it never says that in the Bible.
What you are talking about is Cabala, Jewish mysticism.
I believe Cabala was started way back because of the influence of the other pagan religions at the time.
Pretty sure it's all bunk though.

Originally posted by dirtusbagious
How a mere piece of fruit could cause so much havok, destruction, chaos and even death?

yes it does seem insignificant...

some things to note.

- eating the fruit is of little consequence. therefore it is likely it symbolized something. it is my understanding that it symbolized independance and that by literally eating it equaled saying to god "we would like to do things on our own from now on"

- i suspect the test was simple so that noone could claim that is was harsh. noone can say that not eating a fruit is difficult or unfair.

- they were told the consequences from day one. if they eat from it, then they die (non-existance, not hell). so noone can claim that god tricked them.

- adam and eve were lied to. they believed the lie, but after found god was telling the truth.

- the bible does not shy away from describing sexual encounters so it is unlikely that the fruit represents sex.

it is of my opinion that the church adds this sexual overtone to the situation because they do not fully understand the significance of the event (ive heard a pastor put forth the same thoery). this is where one must begin to see why god permits the bad things that happen today, unlike the church who simply says that "gods ways are mysterious"

if you listen to the challenge satan made, he started by implying that god was a liar "yea, hath god said", other translations say something like, is it true?

then eve tells the satan the law, after satan outright lies and says "ye will not die, For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

this part is very very significant.

ive actually heard alot of people on this forum that say good and evil are just constructions, made up. this scripture proves them right. but now who determines whats right or wrong? up to this point god did. adam and eve were in subjection. but now satan is saying that if you eat the fruit, they will be as gods... determining right and wrong for themselves.

this is a rebellion. they, like alot of people today and throughout history, are saying we do not need a god to tell us what to do. the obvious reason why is because they feel that they can do it better.

you know the rest, they sin and now life is not the paradise it once was, but why? why would a god of love allow us to go though pain? the answer lies in the challenge. if adam and eve are like gods and can do better, they were given the oppurtunity to prove it. all mankind can prove it for themselves. that is why the world today is largely alienated from god.

/rant

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Wow, great answer.



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ok, alrighty then. I'm beggining to wonder if anyone has yet listened to the link provided. I don't blame you, I do the same thing myself.

But, "this one is really good". And so far I have not heard a single comment in regards to what it has to say.

I may not be an expert, as I've volenteered. But, I'm relly not a "newbie".

Hey, um, read the Bible.

So, seriously, anything mentioned on this mp3 (to do with Eves seduction) that sounds so "unbelievable"?

..*"really".., (sp?)..



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i apologize, i didnt realize that listening to it was what you wanted, i thought you just wanted my thoughts on it.

i cant listen to it right now as its 12:30 in the morning and my friend is sleeping but ill try to listen tommarrow to add my thoughts

reply to post by dirtusbagious


Well I have'nt listened to the mp3, but (and it may sound silly) I can envision what they probably are saying, I've heard so much in my life about all kinds of things concerning Genesis, I've probably heard this before. They may start rambling about "the forbiden fruit" and the fact that it's a reference to sex, well the term "forbiden fruit" is never used in Genesis. They may also say something along the lines of the serpent being a symbolism of sex or sexuality and that Satan took on a sexually tempting form or some hogwash like that. It's true that the snake is a symbol of sexuality, but it became that after the fall of man, and sex is something us humans have the hardest time with (I think at least) and the fact that when you have sex you are marrying that person physicly (two bodies becmoing one and creating a new life). They may also say that when God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply that that had something to do with the fruit on the tree or some goofy assumption and misinterpretation of the scriptures.
One thing to remember is that we speak english and back then they had a language that was very different than ours, we use some words because we have no words for what they had words for.
It's always good to research and read what the definitions of the original words were.
Inference can be dangerous if the Holy Spirit is not involved.

-Jimmy

They may start rambling about "the forbiden fruit" and the fact that it's a reference to sex,

haha, of course "they might", but she really doesn't. "Her" explaination makes perfect sense. It all makes perfect sense. I find that refreshing, if not troubling, that indeed it really sounds logical. And if so, it drastically places the entire story instantly into a profound perspective. To say the least.

Now, I really cannot vouch for the rest of her website, but, "this" story I lean towards. Yet with the open question, where "specifically" may she be wrong?

Edit...

They may also say something along the lines of the serpent being a symbolism of sex or sexuality

"Of course it is",,is what I ment in reference to the "1st" quote.

I meant to add the rest of the remaining comment to the "2nd" quote.

ps., and then too, finally...I will once more express my thoughts that if the information, regarding Eves seduction, as explained in "This" mp3, is "thee" correct gst. of what acually took place, then this understanding is upmost crucial importance, in gaining even the most basic fundamental perspective of vast portions of the written Bible.

anyway...

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I find it hard to believe that grown folks can actually believe that Eve ate any kind of fruit
I believe that Cain was the offspring of the serpent...think about it!!!!!

reply to post by dirtusbagious


I started to listen and the first thing that woman started talking about was HAARP (don't even get me started on that).
I know I'm being a little lazy, but I really don't have the time to listen to the mp3.
Could you please post some of her references and points, I'd really appreciate it. I sorta scrolled through some of the mp3 and noticed she kept bringing up enmity between Eve and Satan's seed. I know what that is refereing to and it's not her having sex with Satan. It's talking about the angel human hybrids that are in control of the world (lol, yeah, I know how crazy that sounds, but it's true), satan's seed, well, I don't believe satan is really just one figure, I think he is more of a character. There were many angels that fell, but Semyaza was the leader of them all and the main bad guy in all of it. He and the rest of the angels had babies with the women in the days of Noah (I think that's about 1000 years after Adam and Eve left the garden), but if you notice in Genesis they had sex with the "daughters" of men, not the women, woman or first woman Eve. but this offspring is one of the reasons why God destroyed the world with a flood, fallen angels had sex with women afterwards too and those are the bloodline of the world leaders (but we never get to see them or even know who they are because it's so secret).
So that's what I think concerning the seed thingy.

-Jimmy

My interpretation of this is basically it is what it is.

Adam and eve gain knowledge against gods wishes.

Adam and eve therefore were sent out of paradise because now they have a consicence and know good and evil and gained in knowledge. Once you know good from evil then you are in a sense your own god as your judgements which make up your decisions which make up you as a person are all individualistic.

Here is a hypothetical situation which from my interpretertaaion which is hard to explain would be:

Assuming ceteris paribus.
Your given a device that creates free energy (knowledge), now you can give it to everyone (good) or charge people still but you'd create the energy (evil).

I take to believe this as our obective is not to increase knowledge, because knowledge leads to aysemtric information, which people abuse because there tempted to pursue goals not outlined by god but their own interests. Noone posses's divinity to use knowledge for good purposes except god. I believe the world would be better if knowledge is non-exsistant as unless everyone was equally knowledgeable one persons good judgement is anothers evil.

Knowledge/technology or whatever it is hasnt produced anything i would say that has improved the world.

An example of the point that statement is trying to make is:
some people may answer TV to that above statement but if you gave them the first tv that was created today they would probably throw it away and never use it.

reply to post by jimmyjackblack


that's "kewl", the specific "seduction" intro. does not begin until nearly after the end of the first 3rd or so into the mp3. Then lasts' for about 10, maybe 15 minutes.
It's really not kid-stuff, it's triple hardcore xxx 2 horns up..(lol)..or at least very well worth pondering. Of course, you may (or "may not") wish to hear it, first. I thought it was.

for what it's worth..



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reply to post by dirtusbagious


XXX Hardcore?
Lol, are you saying it's not something that could be posted?
Man that sounds pretty bad.
I really would though apreciate it if you could just post some notes on it and references, I'm interested, but I don't like the womans voice very much and the subject is a little, well, demon-pornish sounding lol. Like an incubis kinda thing. I really would like to see her points and references though, I just don't have the time nor patients (spelling?) to listen for the key points and stuff.

-Jimmy

I believe I have the answer you are looking for.

1. the purpose of the Forbidden fruit is to act as a counter balance for the Tree of Life. Everything is about Balance. The ToL offered Purity and Life at the cost of reproduction. the FF offered reproduction and knowledge at the cost of life.

2. Eve didn't have sex with Lucifer, thats Lilith. (and Demons also came from the Fallen Angels who joined Lucifer in the revolt) But they did mate with her children. "The sons of god(Angels) looked apron the daughters of man and found them beautiful.(they married them)" remember, incest is a sin and doesn't have good 'results' so the angels mated with the first children to allow them to expand.

If I forgot something, let me know.

reply to post by dirtusbagious


I've always thought the fruit of Eden was a mind altering substance like peyote. Once eaten it expanded the consciousness of Adam and Eve so they could look at things from a more honest perspective. In my opinion, the serpent wanted Eve to see she would always have more power over Adam. I think the serpent wanted her to be just like Lilith, one smoking hot dominatrix babe with no respect for man (gods greatest creation.) He knew Eve could see the flaws, the weakness in man, and has always tried seducing her into his realm of ecstasy ever since.