Beast about to perform first false miracle?

Nicely put, cbass.

It's really amazing on how far and wide false doctrines have taught billions of people and it'll be growing. Nevertheless, everything happens exactly as the Bible predicts.

I used to be a catholic myself. After a miraculous understanding of God, I started reading the Bible and getting to know God personally, I vowed to myself to never come back to the pagan teaching of catholicism. They even contradict what Jesus taught in the Bible while they are claiming that the Bible is their religious book. I would prefer to believe in Jesus than pope because I believe that salvation is in one name only. I never found it to be Benedict, or John Paul, or Leo, or whoever... the Bible clearly says it's Jesus.

Some catholics condemn christians... not because they know the truth, but they are being taught by their so called "leader priests" who are supposed to know the Bible more than common people. Wake up, you can get to know God personally by reading and learning from God Himself through the Bible, yet some prefer to listen to the words of corrupted men. I would suggest catholics to read the Bible first and not Pope's teachings before they start arguing about if catholics or christians are right. The answer is in the Bible.

Sadly, most of those "facts" are in fact not facts at all, but lies at worst; at very best they are gross, oversimplified, misrepresentations.

Theology may sometimes be complex. Simplifying something does not lead to better understanding de facto. Simplicity and complexity are not analogous to truth and obfuscation. Things may be simple and yet false, and they may be complex and yet true. And vice versa.

I suggest that a deeper study and understanding of orthodox theology is required (both Eastern Orthodox and Catholic). The true or false list as it stands it just frankly hot air.

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When the bible speaks of false miracles, it does not mean fake. It means false in the sense that it is not from God. They will be genuine, in that they really will be miracles, but they won't be from God. C'mon, it says the whole world marvels at him. You think the debunkers on here would be "marveling" at something that could even remotely be considered fake? No. These will be genuine miracles that have no other explanation, other than the supernatural.

If that body were to be the antichrist (not that I'm saying it is, but merely going along with the hypothesis), you would see a dead body LITERALLY come back alive, not trickery, not faked, and certainly not with "stage magic".

This is why the majority of people throughout history (edit: history after the resurrection) have believed that the anti-christ will be LITERALLY killed by a head wound, then LITERALLY raise from the dead, thus replicating the miracle of Jesus.

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Israel is celebrating their 60th anniversary on May 7th. We might only have to wait another week to find out.

What does the OP think of "Body Worlds"?

www.thisislancashire.co.uk...

"Dissected and preserved bodies as art".

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Oversimplified representations? Thats a load of bull if you ask me. All you have to do is look at sunday worship. It never existed in the christian faith until the catholics came along and changed it. The commandments clearly state that the Lord's sabbath remain holy for it is the day of rest. Saturday is that day. It is with that one simple premise that I call B.S. on the catholic faith. Every point made from that previous, mile long post, was accurate enough. The harlot woman sitting atop the 7 mountains in revelations is indeed the Roman Catholic Church sitting atop the 7 hills of Rome. Just put 2 and 2 together. The Pope is said to be the "human representation of Christ" even though Christ himself condemned any practice of the sort.

NO MAN NEEDS AN INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN HIMSELF AND GOD!!!

Padre Pio was a truly saintly man who performed many miracles during his lifetime. That cannot be disputed.

It is reprehensible that the church is dredging him up and prettying him up with morticians wax and hair in order to present him in a more appealing matter to the masses who will naturally assume that his body is incorrupt because of his saintliness.

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Padre Pio? You know Padre is the spanish word for "Father" so he's techinically "Father Pio", and Christ himself said that no one be called father for only one is the father, our creator.

I, being a non practicing Catholic, do no believe one moment that the Pope is the Anti-Christ. As for the whore of Babylon please read below and then tell me in what country this whore is really from.
Babylon is a city of ancient Mesopotamia, the remains of which can be found in present-day Al Hillah, Babil Province, Iraq, about 85 kilometers (55 mi) south of Baghdad.

Therefore, nothing will come out of Rome but from Iraq and its surrounding areas.

Well people there's only one way to settle this. Get your weapons, hold them high and exterminate each other. It seems to be the way of the world.
Seek and destroy all you do not understand. Leave no one alive. Women, children the elderly, every freaking religious person you come across that doesn't bow down to each and every one of your different philosophies. When all is done, enjoy your world or what's left of it.
The more I read threads on ATS, the hatred engulfing us is all to clear.

This is an interesting thread.

I do think Catholicism is the whore of babylon.

I think Constantine became a Christian but he wanted to keep the popular traditions of sun worship in place so he mixed the two.

This is why you have Christmas which is tied to Mithra's birthday. Easter which is tied to Ishtar. The Pope, college of Cardinals, praying to dead saints and more. The Two Babylons is an interesting read.

I think America is Babylon the Great. I think we push the Babylon traditions more than anyone else. We push Christmas, Easter and even Halloween which I believe was All Saints Day. The description of Babylon the Great sounds like America and specifically New York.

I'm not sure if the Pope will be the Anti-Christ. I think he might be from America or Iraq. I think the spirit of lucifer is behind the throne of Iraq. We learned this from Daniel who was visited by an angel who held up by the prince of the king of Persia. I think the prince behind Babylon is lucifer.

By us attacking Iraq that gave the spirit of lucifer access to the United States. So he will either be a muslim President if there ever is one or he will come from Iraq.

Daniel 10:13

But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Halloween on the evening of OCT-31. In some areas, if OCT-31 falls on a Sunday, Halloween is celebrated on the evening of OCT-30. Stores love Halloween. It is the festival when the largest amount of candy is sold. It is second only to Christmas in total commercial sales. The total sale of costumes, candy and other Halloween material reached almost $7 billion in 2003.

I do think America is Babylon the Great.


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there is corruption in most all churches. some more so than others, it is the people that make a church what it is.

reply to post by Brothers


You are exactly right and thats where the Roman Empire seeks to establish a one World Government. So in a since, the US is Babylon or rather the Babylonian Empire.

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It's not the whore of babylon. It's the Harlot Woman also known as Mystery Babylon. The name is only significant in the sense that Babylon was considered the greatest empire in the world but through the rise of the roman empire and the re-establishments of it, Babylon could easily fit the description of Rome. It also talks about the Harlot Woman (Catholic Church) sitting atop the seven mountains and Rome itself is the City of 7 Hills. The Harlot Woman is a church and if you link the 7 mountains theme with the city, it links to the Roman Catholics. I'm not saying the followers of catholicism is the anti-christ. It's the establishment of the Pope, Cardinals, and Priests that I deem to be the Harlot Woman or Religious beast. I can see why people would think America is Mystery Babylon but if you look around, America's demise is happening and the EU is waiting to strike as the world power. The EU is the Roman Empire reborn.

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Theology might be complex, but the bible isn't. You don't need interpretations by organised religions, the word of Jesus is all that's needed.

Theology is complex because they attempt to twist the word of God. The church became irrelevant once the Bible became available to all. Now the churches only contribution is in misleading the masses (literally) into false doctrine. See book of Revelation for further details

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I think that the idea is sickening. I'm assuming that the plasticesed people agreed in advance of their deaths to be made into 'art' so that is their choice, as it is for anyone who wants to visit this macabre exibit. This seems a little at odds with exhuming a 40yrs old corpse and presenting it as a 'holy' relic.

This is my point. The catholic leaders have created a religion of blasphemy and the poor people that were raised to believe it's the true christian religion are plagued with the false teachings. Thankfully some will make it out to see the truth and research to the root of christianity and find the seed of christianity which was planted by Jesus and the name of that seed is simply titled the Church of God. Look in the bible through the new testament and see that the early church was the church of God of whatever city they were in. In 1 Corinthians it opens up with the opening statement from Paul to the Church of God in Corinth. Before the Church of God, there were only Synagogues because it was only Jewish in the land. COG is the first and only true church of christianity.

If the Roman Catholic Church was not in league with Satan, why are they hiding all those texts.

Did you know the Vatican has got one of the Spears of Destiny, i know there has got two others, but unlike the museums which have got the other ones, the Vatican refuses to get it's one carbon dated?

Triple crown i hear you say, go and look it up and see what that symbolises :p

I can go on and on about this, and also for those people who want to know my religion it is Anglican.

Just the fact alone that in Catholicism there is a "king" of the religion called the Pope that "speaks oh behalf God" and tells people how they can and can't worship is sickening enough by itself.

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reply to post by sinthia

I think your post is a bit harsh. here is a link to Padre Pio's body with a photo. Its hardly macabre.
jonmsweeney.wordpress.com...

He died September 23, 1968, and the exhumation of his body two months ago was done in order to display it–a common practice for Catholic saints on a prominent anniversary of the death.

A wax face was created from photographs by experts in London, replacing what was said to be only skeletal remains to the head. The rest of the body is in its decomposed state, including blackened but still visible fingers. But given the face, it all bears an uncanny resemblance to the living Padre Pio, from his later years.

We as humans have a habit of being intrigued with this kind of veneration of the dead. Especially if those are of special significance to our culture or beliefs.
www.egyptianmuseum.com...

There are 9 mummies in the Niagara Falls Egyptian Museum Collection, 4 of which are in coffins.

We even see this kind of display as curious entertainment.
www.williamsburgripleys.com...

• From African tribal artifacts to a South
American shrunken head

Hardly grounds for calling it sick. Or a sinister part of the apocolypse. But to each there own.

I think you may be misguided in believing that Padre Pio's corpse will be used as the first sign. But you never know. I would rather think that such an event like World Youth Day would have been a better option as it is probably more significant in Global terms, but thats just my 2cents worth.

On Zeitgeist....see these two threads.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...