Police not guilty in groom's death

reply to post by dbates


He may have been shot only four times, but 50 rounds were fired in his direction

nymag.com...
So don't try and skew the facts. There was never any gun found either, the testimony of the cops involved was the only defense against this so-called justified shooting. Now I'm supposed to believe it was justified because the victim had a record? I guess the cops should have their guns out everytime they recognize a person who has been arrested before.


[edit on 4/25/2008 by usin420]

I didn't say that the number of bullets wasn't excessive. I just wanted to clarify that he wasn't shot 50 times. Shot at 50 times is not the same as shot 50 times. Also, everyone loves to point out that he was a groom. The idea is to paint the picture that the police invaded his wedding with gun-fire. No, he was just a drunk at a strip club when he was gunned down. That's quite a different story headline isn't it?

The fact that he was a convicted felon with a history of being a drug-seller and illegal gun posession doesn't make it right but he doesn't seem so innocent now does he? Do you believe in karma? Why is it that the guy that was shot 16 times still alive but Bell, only shot 4 times, is dead?

Also the cries of racism don't work out so well when you point out that 3 of the officers including the one that started the shooting was black too. Dang! That lets all the hot air out of our racial riot balloon doesn't it?

I realize that the gunfire was excessive. The reason the other two cops weren't tried is because they followed procedure which is to stop firing after 3 shots and reasses the situation. In the end the other three weren't guilty of any crime other than breaking they own internal policy of keeping he gunfire down to 3 rounds before stopping.

Originally posted by 4thefight


The NY police are already preparing for riots. I think someone should be held accountable.

www.cnn.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

And why would NY be rioting? .. Seriously..

Are people still saying the shooting was racist like they originally did? (even though two of the three where black...)

Let's look at this another way. Cops suspect Bell of illegal activity and having a gun, chase him out of the bar, Bell gets in his car, smashes into things and speeds off - drunk. Bell then hits a child or some pedestrian on the street and kills them. What then?

I can see the posts already:

Lazy cops - they should have done their job and stopped this guy.

reply to post by TruthWithin



Coulda, shoulda, woulda doesn't cut it my friend. What does cut it is what DID happen.

Or is ok to shoot me because I may kill someone in 20 years?

reply to post by Griff

Well, I think you can make the connection that he might have hurt someone else. He was driving while intoxicated, attempted to run over one policeman, rammed their car, and backed up so he could ram it again. That hardly sounds like a person you want out driving around town and is much different from someone who just has a record.

reply to post by Rockpuck

People have had it up to here - with all the problems and the military police now serving the public, among other things. One day the smallest little thing is going to set the masses completely off.
I dont think people will be living in apathy much longer.

Originally posted by dbates
He attempted to run down the detective (Proved by clothing on bumper and bruise on leg) rammed their car, backed up and attempted to ram it again. It didn't help matters that Bell was intoxicated while driving either. No, Sean Bell was a regular felon looking for a bad place to happen.

Sean Bell created a situation in which the Officers could have been killed. Sure he didn't have a gun but a car can be just as dangerous and just as deadly. Attacking cops with a car is not a good idea and they will defend themselves

The fact that 50 bullets was fired isn't all that strange. Police are trained to fire until the threat is gone. Don't like? Try and get the policy changed until then I don't see what all the fuss is about

Just a few questions to my fellow members.

Do you think New York will burn tonight because of this?

If so do you think the Judge will be fearful then?

How quickly do you think a retrial on this will occur if nothing happens publicly tonight?

How quickly do you think a retrial will occur if the public starts burning cars and riots?

Everyone knows cops can taser citizens to death without fear of prosecution, are any of you really surprised by this decision? do you think the government will be surprised by the public backlash if any?

Two thoughts.

1. Possibly the greatest sign of innocence a suspect can demonstrate to police is fleeing from them. Seriously, if you haven't done anything wrong and a cop tries to talk to you, search you, or otherwise do their job, just run like the wind. Said officers will immediately realize "Oh, only innocnet people run away." and let you go about your business. If, by any chance, the officers don't recognize your fleeing as a sure sign you've done nothing wrong, a gentle reminder, such as trying to run one of them over with your car will almostc ertainly help them see that you are a wonderfull citizen and no danger to society, the police, or nature.

In other words, the minute he tried to run a cop over and actually hit the officer, he forfeited his life by loudly declaring he wasn't going to go in peacefully nor was he willing to follow the acceptable, age old norms of society which state you don't screw with the police.

2. Riots would be a royally stupid move. When the LA riots occurred crap like seeing an innocent working man trying to do his job and feed his family drug out of his semi tractor, hit in the face with a brick, and then the perpetrator dancing around like an epileptic buffoon simply hurts whatever cause and point people are trying to get across to the rest of society. At the point Reginald Denny went down, myself and millions of other people across the country instantly forgot what the beef that had caused the riots was in the first place and viewed the rioters as nothing more than animals.

Those people are an absolute disgrace, and the judge and who let them of are a disgrace.

reply to post by dgtempe


Is THAT the problem DG?

The NAACP .. which is inciting the outrage and just foaming at the mouth for a black riot.. said this after the verdict:

"This court, unfortunately, is bankrupt when it comes to justice for people of color."

CNN

Ummm

Right.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by dgtempe

 

Is THAT the problem DG?

The NAACP .. which is inciting the outrage and just foaming at the mouth for a black riot.. said this after the verdict:

"This court, unfortunately, is bankrupt when it comes to justice for people of color."

CNN

Ummm

Right.

Yeah it annoys the hell out of me when they make these racial issues also....they need to get over it...Im for rebellion not cause of race but because me and many others are getting the short end from the police (Me stupid driving violations) and others their own reasons...I feel there are to many police and when you get bored police who want some action they tend to make some action. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson has been exploiting blacks for a long time and I dont think that will change anytime soon.

why is Al Sharpton involved.

Are blacks going to scream "racism" against each other now?

Originally posted by josephine
why is Al Sharpton involved.

Are blacks going to scream "racism" against each other now?

No, the "Reverend" just hasn't had enough face time lately, so he needs to pretend somehting is a racist outrage so he can get tv time again.

I miis this thread earlier because of the Headline, so here is what I had to say at www.abovetopsecret.com...'

NYPD Officers Acquitted of All Counts in 50-Shot Barrage That Killed Groom-to-Be

I found the survey about those who thought the verdict was fair to be very interesting; it again reflects the 35-65% or more specifically, the 35% who appear to always align and agree with whatever the Government, the NWO propodents want and do, the Minions who in effect support the 3% that own and run this world and the 65% of us who do not.

On the race aspect...

This is not about race. This is about "divide and conquer." The police, all police, are now clearly the enemy of the people. The injustices have swelled to epic proportions and the only people who don't see it are the frogs in the pot of water on the stove. As far as I'm concerned, the line has been drawn, and it is not between black and white, but between the blue line and the red-blooded true Americans. They have turned on us, just as they turn on their own kind who would serve justice above a code of silence.

On Sean Bell's attempt to run down the officer...

Too bad he didn't succeed. The officers did not even identify themselves, and were drinking as well. Bell may have just been trying to get away from a group of thugs when he got behind the wheel, never knowing that they would turn out to be cops.

On riots in NY...

Possible, but unlikely. Upstate there is a massive police prescence. There are literally cops on every street corner downtown, from several juridstictions and with special gear as well as K-9's.

[edit on 4/25/0808 by jackinthebox]

Problem lies in man's inherently childish nature and the culture he is growing up in. Give a man a gun and a taser and he will want an excuse to use them. The failure to bust these cops is just sending them a message that this sort of thing is absolutely ok. Any civillian deaths caused by being shot 50 times or tasering, are just broken eggs for the great omelet of protecting society.

The idea of profiling potential cops sounds like a good idea, and I'm pretty sure some system of profiling exists already but it's clearly not good enough. What they need is to figure out whether a man wants to become a cop to protect citizens and uphold the law, or to lay some smackdown and get to shoot people.

lonelymachines.org...

This link pretty much sums up the thinking of bad cops everywhere, the material in it is a very convincing satire. Hilarious but thought provoking.

[edit on 26-4-2008 by unnamedninja]

reply to post by unnamedninja


Wow. That was some link there. I didn't get to read all of it yet though.

One thing I do want to point out about it though, private security work can indeed be dangerous. I've done private security for several years and have been in more than one sticky predicament. Most guards do their job without the advantage of being armed or enjoying the civil protections that a police officer does. In my local mall, the guards walk the same beat a police officers. That being said, I think the MallNinja is a nut. I really hope he never gets an armed position.

Finn1916 mentioned Al not getting his 'face time' lately...

Rev. Al Sharpton vows to 'close the city down' after cops' acquittal in Bell trial

Men cursed and shouted. Women wailed and covered their faces. "Oh, no! No!" they yelled, as word spread that three police officers had been cleared of all charges in the 50-bullet shooting that took Sean Bell's life on his wedding day in 2006.
To some, the acquittal seemed like more proof that blacks can't get a fair shake in the criminal justice system.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, who represented the Bell family, angrily denounced the verdicts on his radio show later and called on his followers to protest the outcome, but without violence.
He vowed to lead a campaign of "economic withdrawal" and civil disobedience that could include demonstrations at police headquarters and outside the judge's home.
"We are coming back to demonstrate to the federal government that New Yorkers will not take this abortion of justice lying down," Sharpton said. "We are going to close the city down in a nonviolent, effective way."

I'd certainly be more than fine if I never saw that whiny, arrogant mug again...

[edit on 4/26/2008 by RabbitChaser]