What did jesus look like??

kano and i are not working together, and i said nothing even similar to what he did. are you saying that my opinion on jesus's race has no significance because of my beliefs? being an agnostic, not an atheist, as i pointed out earlier, i will go to "hell" according to your beliefs anyway.

i do not act like an authority on anything except common sense, which you obviously don't understand. i put up several examples of brass, none of which are even close to the same color as the complexion of a black man, and all of which are a similar to the color of an arabians skin. if you choose to see what you want to see in one, and ignore all the others, fine. but dont act like you have proven yourself correct in this.

when an aspect of this arguement somewhat supports your claims and interpretations, you embrace it wholeheartedly, but if it doesn't, you ignore it. this will be my last post, as i will not continue a discussion with someone who does not wish to discuss. please stop trying to draw me back into this argument.

you have my thanks for attempting to change my opinion and belief reguarding jesus's racial background, and thus saving me from eternal damnation, but as long as you will be in heaven, im sure i will be happier in hell

Here we go again...

"i put up several examples of brass, none of which are even close to the same color as the complexion of a black man, and all of which are a similar to the color of an arabians skin."

Or the everybody can look like the color of brass argument, particularly polished brass that was burnt in a furnace. And everyone can have hair that is white and is like wool.

And you too can know the Word of God even tho you don't even believe in Him.

Just get the 5 disc DVD set from Dunklestates for $18.99! And you too can be in the know without quoting ONE Biblical reference! Order today!

Looks like I missed a lot in this thread. I'm back now, and I can see that there has been no conclusion to the debate, so I have a few jabs to throw in here.

Originally posted by Colonel
And to top it off, I'm hearing this from people who act like they are authorities on Jesus but who are admitted athiests!

Am I the only one that sees ANYTHING screwed with this?

My god! Non-religous people who have more morals and common sense than religous ones! How can that be? It's not like you're a blind sheep or anything.(or should I call you a lemming?)

Oh yeah, and I didn't get a chance to reply to this.

And you make assumptions about what you don't know. And you're willing ot gamble your enternal soul for it. The Bible's prophecies have already come true.

I haven't made any assumptions.(I never even assumed I had a soul) That's why I'm considered agnostic, that's why I'm considered a heathen or a heretic.(Which isn't an insult by the way) People can never accept people like me because we cause them to question their views, and they don't like that. They don't want to feel insecure, they don't want to be wrong, but that doesn't make them any more close to right. It just makes them pathetic, like you, Colonel. You're the one who has made assumptions, I don't pretend to know everything. That's the difference between us.

Do you know how many people on this thread agree with you? Did you ever stop to wonder why? I don't care if you can't tell the difference between brass and brown, that also does not make you right.

I also wanted to point out some idiocy here....

Zed: I think its rather blasphemous for you to use the bible to attack me just by using one lines that have no reference to anything when I am trying trying to prove the truth of Jesus Christ.

What exactly are you doing? Using one lines and quotes? I thought so. And I guess we're not allowed to use quotes from the bible, because it is irrelevent in this argument. Right?

And you too can be in the know without quoting ONE Biblical reference!

And now we're supposed to quote the bible. With out quoting the bible, we can't possible prove you wrong.

Make up your #ing mind, Colonel. You're starting to flip-flop more on your retoric than John Kerry does on political issues.

Hey btw, didn't you tell me and everyone else that Dean was going to win the presidency? Didn't you also say that you were never wrong? Wow, it must suck to have such non-existant credibility.

"Jesus Christ looks like me"

by the band Type O Negative, in their song, umm.. their song... Corpus Christi, I think...

There, hope that settles the debate!

I do not think that the reference to the hair that is white as wool refers to the wool by more than it's color.

On the same token, I am sure that his eyes were not red etc etc etc.


Now, for the rest of you. Brass could be well in the definition of black men. The fact is is that we just don't know.

He might have been black or arab, well, and a very very small chance of him being white.

That's all.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
I do not think that the reference to the hair that is white as wool refers to the wool by more than it's color.

On the same token, I am sure that his eyes were not red etc etc etc.


Now, for the rest of you. Brass could be well in the definition of black men. The fact is is that we just don't know.

He might have been black or arab, well, and a very very small chance of him being white.

That's all.

Jethro, this book isn't a fantasy. Why would someone eye's be red? Wine maybe? Jesus drank wine. He MADE wine. So, his eyes may well be red from drinking wine.

But, I'm glad that you acknwledged the fact that jesus could be black.

Colonel
Jethro, this book isn't a fantasy. Why would someone eye's be red? Wine maybe? Jesus drank wine. He MADE wine. So, his eyes may well be red from drinking wine.

But, I'm glad that you acknwledged the fact that jesus could be black.

Errr...Jesus was a wino? Hey, at least he knew how to have a good time!

No one said it was impossible that he was black. Chances are that he was arabic, but it is possible that he was black. All of the arguments stated so far do not decisivly tell you that he was black, the point was that they don't prove anything. He could've been black, or he could've been arabic. Neither of which are too farfetched.

I do not think that the Revelations depiction is proper in this arguement because it was after his death as seen in a vision.

Revelations 1:13 and in the middle of the lampstands I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash.
14 His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire.
15 His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters.
16 In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.

He could have been black, but can you concede that he could have been arabic as well?

and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword

Now this is symbolism if I ever heard it. There is no literal meaning to this. I believe it refers to his tongue being a double-edged knife. No matter what he said it would cut him.(it wouldn't do him any good, someone would always be upset or take offense) Kinda like the double-edged blade saying that we have in this day and age.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
He could have been black, but can you concede that he could have been arabic as well?

Nope, if he were Middle Eastern then he would be a descendant of Ishmael and not Jacob.

Originally posted by joehayner

and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword

Now this is symbolism if I ever heard it. There is no literal meaning to this. I believe it refers to his tongue being a double-edged knife. No matter what he said it would cut him.(it wouldn't do him any good, someone would always be upset or take offense) Kinda like the double-edged blade saying that we have in this day and age.

it means that his words will cut like a double edged sword.

What is the big freakin deal? Does his teachings somehow change their meanings when his skin changes color? Does a chameleon sound differently when he changes color?!

IT DOESN'T MATTER!

And besides, look at it from this point of view:

1. He was born around the Mediterranian/ Arabic nations.

2. His parents were of the same area.

3. Chances are, he's probably arabic!

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER!

For all we know, he could have been a rare albino, with death white skin and pink eyes! Gaah!

Was he white? No, chances are that he wasn't.

Are Egyptians black? Umm... no... but that's where Mary and Jesus fled to during his missing 'teen' years. My point?

Egypt owned the Hebrews. The Hebrews, when they escaped, moved to good ol' Isreal. That whole entire freakin area is Arabic!

To claim that Jesus was black, and not to be open-minded towards other's views makes you as large a bigot as you make us whities out to be.

Your post is filled so so many inaacuraicies its ridiculous. Are the Eyptians originally black? Yes, they were conquered by the Greeks later on who intermarried with them to get what you have today.

Does it matter that Jesus was black? Yes because there was a warning in ther Bible on false christs.

1) You are talking about the decendents of Jacob and Ishamal like they were a few years distant from Jesus.

Jacob was born over 2000 years before Jesus and their people spent only a few hundred years in Egypt during that time between Jacob and Jesus.

The rest was spent in the arabic region.


And soothsayer, yes, the people of Egypt were black. In fact they were VERY black.

I would also like to show you this.

Revelations 22:16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Speaking to the "offspring of david" I found this.

"Now so soon as David appeared at his father's summons - a boy
with golden blonde skin, with fiery eyes and in other ways handsome - " (Jewish Antiquities, VI:164).

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
I would also like to show you this.

Revelations 22:16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Speaking to the "offspring of david" I found this.

"Now so soon as David appeared at his father's summons - a boy
with golden blonde skin, with fiery eyes and in other ways handsome - " (Jewish Antiquities, VI:164).

Nope, ain't buying it. It ain't in the Bible. Its some book that no one's ever heard of.

Oh, I'm not saying it's true, but it is something to wonder about.

I personally think that Jesus was either a dark arab or a light black man.

What amazes me is how hard it is for others to accept that---even to entertain the thought.

Funny story, I was sitting in psych today and we were all show certain images at different angles and then our perception was judged, well there was this one porcelain figurine of moses and someone who got only the sight of it from behind said he thought it could have been jesus, then everyone was like "Jesus doesnt have white hair" and all I could hear was this thread yelling "hair white as wool!!!" then I automatically said, its possible, have you ever thought jesus could have been black and everyone just started laughing, said day for thought in my opinion.