Rap Music and the Illuminati

ive heard alot about jay-z and kanye west being involved in the illuminati and sum other satanic activites.... i dunno hard to explain jus google kanye occult>> you will get wat u need... seems like ppl in music have been involved in this for a long time... is it all coincidence or is there something to this whole "devil in the music" thing

discuss tell me wat u think...



www.myspace.com...

o... n hit this dude up n tell me whether u think his message is anit illuminati or pro... his label is one eye up n sum other things in his lyrics hinted... but maybe hes against i dunno....

You will probably take offense to this, and for that I apologize but, the way you write is a prime example of why rap music, rappers, hip hop, and thug type gangsta music should be done away with. Half the words used by rappers aren't even actual words, just little shortcuts (aka..ebonics) that make a person sound stupid. So its hard to stand and listen to a person who can't talk right, then its even tougher trying to read when they type in such a manner. This is all IMO of course.

As for the Illuminati and RAP having a bond or way of working together for whatever reason...NOT HAPPENING! The only reason the Illuminati would even consider people like Jay-Z and Kanye is for the money. They know these guys pull in MILLIONS a year and have INFLUENCE over a lot of people in todays society. If you know, or check out, the history of the Illuminati or even Freemasonry you will see that these rappers will never or would never be accepted by the society. But you can bet, as i stated they will surly be used by them!

[edit on 4/20/2008 by rcwj75]

Firstly, i do take that to offense... i really dont have to type perfect for the *SNIP* internet cuz it doesnt warrant that much time... u understood me... thats all that matters... u dont have to be so discriminating against a culture u dont understand either....


n e way


is it not possible they are lapdogs... payed off or better yet this imagery is pushed by the labels that ARE OWNED by powerful elite individuals... ive listened to hiphop my whole life and to take musicians as JUST entertainers.. especially in such a music genre in which the artist is very personal... I know teenage girls that cried when a rapper broke his arm... it doesnt matter whether you agree with it or not.... they DO take it that seriously... and the message rap pushes would be something the elite would want everyone diluted in.... so this should be considered serious... understand this....


Eminem sells out every tour in minutes... went diamond (10 mil) his first 3 albums in the U.S. alone.... Jay-z does 3x platinum (3 mil)... kanye 4x platinum



ppl should start taking these indivduals serious cuz kids care more bout this then sum old guys taking over the world.....




get off the internet cuz now i feel lame....



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[edit on 20-4-2008 by HarlemHottie]

I seem to remember that back before the gangsta rap explosion and its derivatives, Public Enemy, BDP, PRT, X-Clan, et al. spoke many of the truths society needed to hear. Sad then that those have fallen by the wayside. I know there's still positive and straightforward hip-hop out there, but it's mainstream days are long gone.

If there's one thing that doesn't change about elitist groups, it's elitism. Therefore, it's highly improbable that there would be any direct or verifiable link between the two. Unfortunately I think we're looking more at greed than anything. Worst case scenario would be lap-doggish, or maybe even a subterfuge spinoff (like a front, but not directly connected) involved in occultism. More than likely, triggering and controlling words and ideas are being communicated out of ignorance and 'unconsciousness'. You'd be surprised at how much of society operates thusly. When one is in denial of the truth, one becomes a vessel for the lie.

Long live Chuck D.

Boy oh Boy,,, you've got to love these ENGLISH MAJORS. Let there be no dout that the illuminati are about disstracting(entertaining). An idle-mind is the Devils playgroung, and they aren't playing.

reply to rcwj75:

rap music should be banned?

in the uk there is a big grassroots rap and grime scene where a lot of poor youth are having a go at it to escape poverty or sometimes just for something to do.

how can you be a member of ats, a website that denounces the illuminati and argue that the poor kids from the estate dont deserve their chance for a good life, instead of being supressed by the illuminati. alchemy has always played a part in the arts. its nothing to do with rap, look at david bowie, and even some classical musicians.

i myself write and produce grime and garage music in the hope of getting some money out of it, whats the problem with that, or should i just surrender and enslave myself to working for the bankers to get myself out of debt?

make your mind up mate...


[edit on 20-4-2008 by pimpdogg]

Blah blah rap music...

blah blah blah rock music

blah blah blah helter skelter by the beatles

blah blah....

The real thing we should be worried about is not the GENRE of music, whether it be space jazz, down-tempo chill, psychedelic trance, happy hardcore, techno, industrial metal, progressive rock or anything else you care to imagine....
But more the message, its context and how it can be perceived.

Then you've gotta consider the frame of mind of the individual who listens to it...

If they're feeling pretty p*ssed off (cos they've been bullied or attacked or whatever) and they have no real way of venting it then surely some heavy drum and bass or metal can blow off the steam.

But there's always that 1%, who take things too far....

The medium isn't really the problem, it's the fact that NOT EVERYBODY perceives things the real way... and whilst most people would take say slipknots' song people = sh*t to be a very good way of rocking out and getting rid off that built up anger at your boss, that odd one percent will take it as some deep philosophical subliminal way of commanding them to kill...



Simple.

[edit on 20-4-2008 by mr-lizard]

[edit on 20-4-2008 by mr-lizard]

oh and one final point...

If you DO want to be taken seriously...

stp tlkin lk this.

yeah its no worse than tv, or any other entertainment

but do u know in 1994 the UK government tried to ban electronic music (right at the same time they banned raves)?
was this to supress what is largely an independent scene, where you could produce your own tracks right thru to burning cd etc, and make you have to buy songs from the larger labels that were owned by the powerful, and the artists have to succumb to the demands of the label more in their music?

makes you wonder...

[edit on 20-4-2008 by pimpdogg]

reply to post by rcwj75


I happen to agree rcwj75. It is my belief that rap is its own unique style of music that is sort of like the counter culture of the drug days of the 60's and 70's. The big difference between music and the counter culture then and gangsta rap now is that alot of the "freaks" of the 60's and 70's were smoking home grown weed(well maybe not) or cheap Columbian and taking great '___'. They were preaching love and peace and even "Jesus" is love type of stuff. In retrospect and off the topic a hair is "Where was the Church(s) when the youth of that age exploded?" Like fools, the institutionalized religious sects in America condemned those that preached what the Love that Christ taught as sinful and indulgence ridden. I have done a bit of [things , and it] gives a whole new perspective on things LOL! Nothing like the guns and drugs of Methamphetimine gangsta rappers etc of todays generation.

As for the Illuminatti??? relations to rap...??... its a stretch.

The reason I say that is meth can be made anywheres. Illuminatti would want to control too large an aspect of the market for meth. That cannot be done.
Also I feel the Illuminatti is more a mythical secret society somehow maybe linked to some obscure offshoot branch of the freemasons and the New world Order than anything. Who knows?
As for shear control?

Logically, why would the illuminatti want to control or produce rap or the drug culture within it?? Should we rather look more for this "illuminatti" to want to infiltrate and control the Skull and Bones Brotherhood of Death, (G. Bush is a member as well as other powerful folks) The Bohemian Club, the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group and to a lesser extent the Freemasons, and down the line than some musical people who dance and sing to bad militant peotry at times?
I am not rapping all rappers (no pun intended) but I think the black culture in America got even after disco died and gave us rap instead. Wha ever happened to good old jazz and the blues??? With smiles have a nice day.

[edit on 20-4-2008 by NGC2736]

There was a thread I commented about awhile back, I am telling you go listen to Killarmy, "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" album, this came out long before 911 but it is eery to listen to the lyrics on a couple of these tracks, 5 star general and a few more but they make references to some things that happened after the album came out, this is also one of the DC snipers favorite albums and they even used 5 stars on one of the letters at the scene of one of the snipings....you never know who is in bed with who but I cant say but a lot of the 80's hip hop and 5 percent influences had a lot more prophetic content than a lot of the stuff thats out now, when i say 80s or 90s i am not talking kid n play or fresh prince but more of the hard core islamic based or related rap that really was more of what you might hear in the streets of NY or chi town back then coming up dealing with science and ciphers.

This is posted right underneath the area where you type your replies:

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Typing the way you do makes it extremely hard to read your posts.

But as for the original question here, I highly doubt there is any connection, and I basically agree with everything the first person who replied said.

Yo my bad if its hard to read, its rare I get on and type a whole bunch... Im jus lookin for some feedback... Yeah Jay-z could just be using it as hype or propaganda to increase sales... but as said before... most people within the cultures don't pay any mind or are even aware... to me... Ive listened to it so perhaps I pick up on more of the slang, attitude, and perspectives... to me its like alot of these artists are promoting a mindstate the elites would want everyone in.... they are payed off and tipping their hats.... i personally believe in God but I dont believe you can pull power from occult etc... well I suppose if one believes something hard enough than it can pull power... you think anyway.... thats why these artists use the symbols... all the people around me who write music say the best things come out of nowhere.... the "holy" ghost... etc....


Its all a mind game to me but it matters what they believe


but if its hot music its hot music whatever...



jus be weary......




oh and about that link in the OP ... wats your take on that dude?????



The arts are far more important than people believe my peeps... such that people get defensive.... lets not all get ahead of ourselves that we cant be brainwashed simply because we dont feel it...



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I do recall an early rap song from say the late 80's or possible early 90's with a line something like "Ninety-seven percent of our Presidents were Masons". Conspiracy? I don't think so.. music is music. The illuminati has much more efficent ways of using their time.

kanye west is way too much into fashion (gay, watch him talk about clothes and "my style" when he's on tv, it's pretty clear, yeah you see him with women, so what you also see tom cruise having babies)

so unless the Illuminati is cool with homosexuals kanye is just there to sell records (make money) he's part of what's going on i am sure, but he makes money selling records, that's all he means to them

We don't allow SPAM on ATS. All the following posts by this member you see that have this tag, dated today, are for the same reason, he likes to use meta tags, we don't allow them, it's NOT a conpsiracy it's a blatant violation of the TAC.

This member is post banned until further notice.

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[edit on 5-13-2008 by Springer]

Just wanted to add, Eminem has a lot of lyrics that bash the Illuminati and NWO, and blame Bush for 911. Disinfo or spreading the truth?

I remember hearing that Barack Obama has Jay-Z as one of his auto dials on his cell phone and I have also seen pictures of Jay-z meeting Kofi Annan of the united nations. It really isnt that far fetched that he could be in the illuminati.

I think rap would be the perfect vessel for the illuminati to use to get their message out or way of life they want the people to live. It's trendy and people get really into it trying to live like it. Just come to my middle class basically out in the country city and watch all the small city kids who have never been around real gangs trying to act like they are gang members. In a way the culture that can stem from it speaks for itself. A generation of future defendents lol.

Illuminati or not, it's clear that "Gangsta" rap (like most of these cats are real gangstas, fakes) is produced and distributed with a broad spectrum of corporations' bottom lines in mind.

Cui Bono?

Anheuser Busch
DeBeers
Ford
GM
Mercedes Benz
Armani
Polo
And various other major corporations that profit from the content of the 4 minute long commercials that have become the epitome of mainstream.

That's not including the actual marketing of the "song" or "artist" and all the related merchandising, selling the actual CD, the posters, the T-shirts, hats, added to by a whole cacophony of useless shizzle.

How many dumbed down clones do you see running headlong down a path of self destruction at the behest of whomever the powers that be be, sporting a gold chain rockin some ice, sippin' Cris and Hennessey pimpn' that G-unit shirt, and tossin some gold daytons on that whip? You think they'd be taking that path had the corporations that facilitate the distribution of the "message", and the merchandise packaged into a tidy bundle of mind control propaganda supported it? The record labels are like Fox News, reciting the party line to the masses, providing indoctrination to materialism. Many fall for the trap.

The "message" in itself, advertising the "need" for "bling", and it's ultimate attainment in excess no matter what it takes rhythmically being pounded into the subconscious as heads are nodded in a subconscious gesture of affirmation and agreement wit the skewed principles of advocating violence in pursuit of acquisition of more bling.

Hypocracy at it's finest, smoothly delivered seems to be the specialty of the gangsta rapper of today's mainstream habitat. Predominantly african american in flavor, the target audience being the angry youth who think heavy metal and dungeons and dragons (a way to keep white people busy and distracted with meaningless pursuits as well) is some redneck whiteboy cracker type stuff. The audience demographic is being targeted with laser precision. Seemingly appearing to advocating rising up in the world by means of violence for materialism, get it all no matter what the cost, yet delivered in a justified context ("what's a N- from the hood gonna do besides get "mine"?" type mentality), sets angry youth on a course of pursuit of self destruction for the benefit of others, a sacrificial offering to the corporate gods in hopes of recieving blessings of wealth.

The thing i find most ironic is rappers wearing and advocating the wearing of diamonds, the same diamonds that your so-called "brothers", your "people" in places like sierra leone and other oppressed and exploited people who never had a chance thanks to your demand for stacked carbon crystalline structures probably died for already, more corporate sacrifice in the name of the god of capitalism.

Yeah, the mainsteam is being controlled by the powers that be, is it the illuminati? masons? skull n bones? Does it matter waht we argue about calling them? Hey, as long as it keeps the conspiracy nutcase demographic busy arging about what to call the oppressors,,,,,,,


"Ninety seven percent of our presidents were masons
responbsible for laundering trillions of dollars from the nation
for the construction of underground military installations
experiments on human patients
take place a hundred fifty stories below the basement
abductions and cattle mutilations
with knowledge of genetic information
you need to fear science, not satan" - Canibus "Channel Zero"