I give up.... CGI or real???

How in the world are we going to know if anyone ever gets a real picture of a UFO? There are so many pictures, and videos that are CGI fakes how are we going to know when we have seen something real?
My honest opinion is that there is an orchestrated plot to put so many fake pictures out so that the real ones are blown off as fake. Would you really want to post a picture of what you saw?
What is the answer?

If I was in charge of a misinformation campaign I would post as many fake pics and videos as possible.It seems strange that regular people would put so much effort into creating fakes.

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this is exactly my point. How or who do you classify as regular? Could these people be paid dis-info agents? How do you sort out the real pictures and who is telling the truth?

Or maybe it is not orchestrated misinfo campaign....but its people who are seeking their 15min of "I saw a UFO" fame. After all, seeing and reporting UFOs is no longer taboo. It even gets you in the news now and TV Shows interview you...and people start posting your alledged UFO pictures everywhere...and so on.

Seeing UFOs is "in" !


IMO, it does NOT seem strange that "regular" people would put so much effort into creating fakes. I think it is quite normal....even when its not dealing with UFOs. People lie for all kinds of reasons.


[edit on 20-4-2008 by greeneyedleo]

you can always tell the real ones from the fake ones it takes a while iv been doing picture research for a while and the img resolution depending on the size of the pic. if the object is clearer than the background or the background is clearer than the object then it is a fake.

if the object is a blur cause it is moving its harder to tell you have to have the original or a good copy to go in and undo the image moving back to the origional state like the pictures you can distort, you have to un distort it and then it is still hard to tell.

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I understand what you are saying, but, what if some are the real deal? how do we know? This is the reason for this post. By posting all the "fakes" aren't we dismissing the possibility that we miss the real ones?

I think greeneyedleo's explanation is what we are facing. To many 15 year olds and a handfull og adults that whant their 15 minutes of fame.

Originally posted by starwatcher1
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I understand what you are saying, but, what if some are the real deal? how do we know? This is the reason for this post. By posting all the "fakes" aren't we dismissing the possibility that we miss the real ones?

How do we know? I have no clue. Not everyone posting a picture knows it is fake or is doing it on purpose. So, its better just to post just in case.

I think all need to be posted, then we go thru the "process of elimination".
And once the "checklist" has been gone down, many at the end of the day are indeed UOs - UNIDENTIFIED OBJECTS

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Have a star and a flag from me:
well, a reliable UFO sighting would need some corroborating elements, not just the evidence by itself: of course, the ideal situation would be media coverage, multiple witnesses, multiple multimedia evidences (more videos, more photos, taken from different points and by different people), radar detection, officiale reports, involvement of some kind of military / police who confirms the sightings, and so on.
Of course, this is one of the best situation we could imagine, and of course it's a very rare series of coincidence: there are some historical cases,
My favourite one (by this view) is the Belgium ufo wave, which occurred on 1990 ( here you can find a post about it )
and that's not the only interesting one of course.
Now, to stay on topic:
what if someone sees a genuine UFO, and take a picture of it?
Of course, he/she would be asked if there are other witnesses, so what if he/she was alone? And so on.
Every single evidence could pertain to a genuine case: so even the cases poorly corroborated deserve at least to be looked at.
Now, i don't think that there's an agenda of someone who wants to discredit the ufology:
i agree with greeneyedleo.
I think that there are many catogories of people who make the hoaxes for different reasons:
attention seekers, people looking for money, people looking for fame, people who wants to make "social experiments", and people who have nothing better to do than photoshop a picture/fake a video, upload it somewhere and then sit and wait what are the other people's reactions:
but the consequences of these "individual" actions, are the same of the ones of a well orchestrated disinfo campaign.


[edit on 20/4/2008 by internos]

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Thanks for the input Internos, I agree with you. I am curious how what people think of the pictures that are posted that Textaren'tText trying to take any pictures of UFO"s and they just show up when they download them? What about those?

Originally posted by starwatcher1
I understand what you are saying, but, what if some are the real deal? how do we know?

There's no practical difference between something we can't verify and something that's fake. So, yes, some of the images or videos that pop up here might be of real, actual, honest-to-goodness anomalous objects, under the control or direction of time travelers or aliens or whatever. But if we can't prove it, then it all gets categorized as "unknown." That's the way it works. Too bad for all of us.

But what's the alternative? To simply accept something as real when we can't verify it? What would be the point of that? It might make us feel better in the short run to convince ourselves that we're looking at actual alien UFOs, or whatever, so we can get a little thrill out of it. But it's just a cheat, self-delusion, because we don't know for sure.

if i can figure out a way to share with everyone the way to spot a real picture and a way to spot a fadke i will be the first to post a blog on " how to spot a real ufo pic from a fake" but untill then back to the drawing bord

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Agreed and well put. Indeed, to bad for us all. Back to the point. Could this be more dis-info? Have people blow off all photos, and by doing so many won't even take the time or effort to look or report anymore? And by doing that, the "baby is thrown out with the bath water" Sound like we have fallen into exactly what "they" would like us to do

Although I may get shot down in flames for saying this, in many ways the success of fakes such as the Chad drone and the Haiti footage was like a red rag to a bull to many young 3d guys starting out. It was almost like saying 'hey if you want to have a 'name' go and make fake UF footage.'

There's at least one 3d school where making a fake UFO is currently part of the syllabus, although these never see the light of day obviously. So to some hard surface modellers it’s sort of a 'rights of passage' these days. Sad to say I know, but it’s understandable in an industry such as 3d where there are now suddenly more people than jobs. Plus as hardware and software both ramp up in capabilities and rendering times get shorter, we’ll see a lot more. It wouldn’t surprise me if the next big fake is creature based instead of a craft.

But really without corroborating evidence and lot of independent witness testimony nothing from YouTube or a lone cameraman is going to get believed in a hurry. ‘Cool UFO footage’ just isn’t going to cut it anymore, evidence is more about facts than catching eye candy.

Wayne...

look for a post in an hour on "how to spot a real pic from a fake"

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LOL.. do you have a secret that you can share? I would like to know.

my post is up we dont want to flood this page with how to tell a real from a fake.

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Just saw your post. GREAT work. I am not a computer whiz and don't even have photo shop. How does this work with video?

video is a diffrent thing not shure on that. i only specialize in a few fields. thats like asking me to build a solar system.

maby someone in ats know how to do that and would make a post
that would be great.

want to give this a bump to hear from other people and what they think.