Gigantic alien structures in Herschel crater - Apollo 12 image

As a frog myself, I resent the comparison. It's more like a toad anyway. The shape is interesting, I remember seeing this crater on several CT websites.

May I invite you all to comment the video recently posted on YouTube by John Lenard Walson? There's a thread about it. Some interesting rectangular shapes there, not yet commented on or even identified on a Lunar map. Moon tourism by telescope is fun and you never know, someone might find something that was absent in the old NASA images. That would be great!

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Thanks for your input. And I meant no disrespect when I said that the largest feature looked like a frog! I have also looked at these videos you mention before, and I find them interesting. I couldn't agree more with you - I have no doubt it is possible to see things on the moon that were absent (or as I firmly believe, doctored away) in the official NASA images. ;

By the way, you said that you have seen images of this crater (Herschel crater) before. Could you give me a link to the sites? I would like to take a look at the images!

All the best to you from Ziggystar60.

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Originally posted by ziggystar60
And I meant no disrespect when I said that the largest feature looked like a frog!

Man, it was a joke!!!

I have also looked at these videos you mention before, and I find them interesting. I couldn't agree more with you - I have no doubt it is possible to see things on the moon that were absent (or as I firmly believe, doctored away) in the official NASA images.

Please post any evidence of doctored images. I've seen many claims, not a single proof. It should be possible, as there are multiple pictures for most areas of the Moon, and there will soon be many more from all the new satellites orbiting the Moon. I'd love to see a feature, rock or crater (undebunkable like the very real "alien spaceship", near crater Fermi) visible in several pictures AND conspicuously moved, changed or missing in other pictures. I'm sure NASA didn't have the means in the 60s to perfectly fake all of them. They must have made a mistake somewhere.

By the way, you said that you have seen images of this crater (Herschel crater) before. Could you give me a link to the sites? I would like to take a look at the images!

Can't find it now. It is the same Apollo image, anyway, no surprise there.

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Hi, I actually understood that you made a joke about the frog... I also tried to make a joke, but my attempt obviously failed. If I offended you with my reply, I apologize.

And If you read throught the posts in this thread (yes, I know they are many) you will find that some of the members here at ATS have provided other images of the Herschel crater where the large features seem to have disappeared almost completely. To me, that is a hint that some of the images have been doctored to make the features go away. I am sure you will disagree with me, but it is still my personal opinion.

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I really liked that last vid. In the first picture that the thread was started for, I really don't see much but a crater. The last video showed some building like objects and some odd shapes that I have not seen before. I want to see the dark side

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Hi, thanks for giving me your opinion about the features in the Herschel crater.

I would just like to point out that this thread is NOT about the videos that "nablator" posted links to. I have nothing to do with them, I have seen them a couple of times, that's all.

You can find other threads on ATS that deals with these videos (see the other link that "nablator" provided), and you can post your comments about them there.

Best regards, Ziggystar60.

Moon craters are great places for bases to be hidden and where you can park your space craft and so on. What is interesting is a crater is an impact sight. I always found it interesting that on the moon as well as on other planets, that craters overwhelmingly do not show signs of any great impact as they are usually not that deep and also usually appear fairly flat inside. Has anyone come across the scientific answer to that particular crater reality? What say ATS members...any good suggestions.

As to the crater in the picture, if one does believe in other worldly things, then I would say like many other NASA photo's, they forgot to air brush this one away. Makes us wonder...

Originally posted by ziggystar60
Hi, I actually understood that you made a joke about the frog... I also tried to make a joke, but my attempt obviously failed. If I offended you with my reply, I apologize.

Without the smiley, it's too subtle for me (sorry, my turn to apologize).

And If you read throught the posts in this thread (yes, I know they are many) you will find that some of the members here at ATS have provided other images of the Herschel crater where the large features seem to have disappeared almost completely. To me, that is a hint that some of the images have been doctored to make the features go away. I am sure you will disagree with me, but it is still my personal opinion.

Believe me I did my homework. I don't jump to any conclusion because interpreting a 2D picture in 3D is always subjective and difficult, the only way to be sure is to use photogrammetry techniques on stereoscopic pairs:
www.lpi.usra.edu..., www.lpi.usra.edu...
and
www.lpi.usra.edu..., www.lpi.usra.edu...
The problems with these:
- the low resolution, you would have to order them from NASA to get a better resolution,
- the Sun is too high, making the mountains look almost flat.

It may be possible to validate from them the altitude map Armap posted, then simulate various lighting conditions to check the consistency of all shadows.

I found the link to the webpage I told you about a few posts ago.

Notice how strange it looks. Do you see ruined walls and a partial roof? See how there is something protruding on the left and right and it casts shadows on the ground.

Source: Was There Life On The Moon?

Originally posted by Jonar

As to the crater in the picture, if one does believe in other worldly things, then I would say like many other NASA photo's, they forgot to air brush this one away. Makes us wonder...

Hi, I agree. NASA made a mistake with this particular image of Herschel crater. Maybe their image doctor was busy with other patients?

Like this one (AS17-M-2198). This is one cosmetic operation which went terrible wrong:

www.lpi.usra.edu...





Best regards, Ziggystar60.

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I have seen an image on a NASA site that was altered (the sky was painted with a pure black) but I do not believe that anything wrong is the result of a cover-up.

If NASA wanted to cover anything on that photo, any good technician could do it in a couple of hours, no need for a clumsy job that anyone can see its there.

Originally posted by Jonar
I always found it interesting that on the moon as well as on other planets, that craters overwhelmingly do not show signs of any great impact as they are usually not that deep and also usually appear fairly flat inside. Has anyone come across the scientific answer to that particular crater reality? What say ATS members...any good suggestions.

Not sure what you mean by "no sign". The flatness is relative, there are often huge mountains in the central uplift as in Herschel, and the rim mountains are several miles high too. I'm not a geologist, but from what I read, plains in craters are explained by melting rock on impact, mixed with rock fragments "breccia", and "ejecta" material that fell on it later, from other impacts. This results in the usual hard Lunar surface covered with a few boulders, many small rocks and a layer of fine powdery stuff.

Originally posted by ziggystar60

Originally posted by Jonar

As to the crater in the picture, if one does believe in other worldly things, then I would say like many other NASA photo's, they forgot to air brush this one away. Makes us wonder...

Hi, I agree. NASA made a mistake with this particular image of Herschel crater. Maybe their image doctor was busy with other patients?

Like this one (AS17-M-2198). This is one cosmetic operation which went terrible wrong:

www.lpi.usra.edu...

Best regards, Ziggystar60.

Ziggystar this Moon crater photo is magnificent if you will look to the top middle of photo you will see in the darkened area the sequence cE31 clear as a bell. There is a whole lot to see but I will draw your attention to the dark skinned humanoid man statue.

If you will look to the middle left of photo you will see a 3D head statue of a dark skinned man with a ornamental anhk emblemed helmet. To make it easier to find, go to the point of the triangle placed by someone from NASA follow a line heading due west or left of point and you will see the dark humanoids head as plane as day, 1 1/2 inches from border middle of photo. This is actually a double face one face looking left one looking straight. Rik Riley







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Originally posted by nablator


I found the link to the webpage I told you about a few posts ago.

Notice how strange it looks. Do you see ruined walls and a partial roof? See how there is something protruding on the left and right and it casts shadows on the ground.

Source: Was There Life On The Moon?

Thanks for the link. I have never seen this site before. and I am quite happy do discover that I am not the only one that believes the very strange feature in the Herschel crater is artificial.

Best regards, Ziggystar60.

Originally posted by ArMaP
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If NASA wanted to cover anything on that photo, any good technician could do it in a couple of hours, no need for a clumsy job that anyone can see its there.

Well, perhaps the technician wasn't very good at his/her job and messed up the images so bad that the tampering had to be covered up? I have no idea what happened here, but there obviously is something in this set of images that we are not supposed to see. What other reason could there possible be for plastering these bits of tapes (or whatever they are) on the images? Here is another image from LPI:

AS17-M-2197:



There are more. Go to this page and see for yourself:
www.lpi.usra.edu...

Best regards, Ziggystar60.

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It's impossible to have a retouching job that bad that it must be hidden, a photo technician can make any photo (specially black and white photos) look like anything.

My older sister is a photographer, and she knows a photographer that is also a photo technician, that once had to make a special photo for a man that used glasses. Because of the glasses the photographer could not use direct lighting as he usually does, so he used a different lighting and changed the lighting of the whole photo manually, using a very small brush (some times with only one hair on it) to "paint" a new lighting to make the photo look like he wanted.

One problem that I have noticed on many, many posts is that most people that talk about "airbrushing photos" and such things do not have any idea of how that is made (or if that is even made, airbrushing is only used on very large areas that should look the same, like a wall, the sky, etc.).

So, in this case, I do not see how anyone could make such a bad job that it should be taped over when they could remake it.

And yes, I had seen that photo and others like it.

Also, as both photos have a ragged edge on the side where the tape is, it looks like they were attached to something with that tape before they were used as a source for the digital copy.

But if that was the case I wonder why they had to use those, could it be that those are the only photos available?

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Thats probably the best reply ,,,picture,, it gives more of an idea ,,it does appear less angular,,,,,however that one V shaped area still looks like a shaft opening,, my opinion,

Originally posted by ziggystar60
Well, perhaps the technician wasn't very good at his/her job and messed up the images so bad that the tampering had to be covered up? I have no idea what happened here, but there obviously is something in this set of images that we are not supposed to see.

If we weren't supposed to see them, they would have done a better job, or wouldn't release them to the public. We are now used to digital cameras, they had to do things with rolls of film, that went through a lot of physical manipulation, not to mention cosmic radiation. The Lunar Orbiter photos are covered with defects. Apollo photos have many small white or green dots. Big defects like this are common too, everything is not a conspiracy.

We are focusing on defects and shadows. We only see what NASA wants us to see. If there is any cover-up I bet it is in areas where images were never released. There are many gaps in the image numbers, and that's an indisputable fact.

There are more. Go to this page and see for yourself:
www.lpi.usra.edu...

Yes it looks crude, ruining the pictures with tape. Maybe the end of a roll of film? It looks like the next photo has tape marks too:
AS17-M-2197 - AS17-M-2198
AS17-M-2257 - AS17-M-2258

Originally posted by jbmitch
Brian Allen hosts a link with a number of shots and a record of the obseravtions since 1600 up to the statements of astronauts who flew over the crater

Ummm no Brian Allan does not cover Aristarchus he is more into Rosslyn and Paranormal encounters... Not sure how you got that connection...

The Aristarchus presentation is mine

www.thelivingmoon.com...

And the scan lines in the LO images are just that scans of the original negative, which crashed on the moon... they are not 'stitch lines' of assembling pieces as in a mosaic...

But this has been covered here err a few times

Originally posted by ArMaP

I have seen an image on a NASA site that was altered (the sky was painted with a pure black) but I do not believe that anything wrong is the result of a cover-up.

Care to link me to THAT one ArMaP?

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That may be a bit difficult. I remember it was last year and it was because of some thread here on ATS.

Do you remember the case of the black and white photo of the Moon that someone from ATS noticed had a bit of colour appearing on one of its edges (I think it was the bottom right)? It was more or less at that time.

I will try to find it.