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I had just reached the elevator in the 5th Wing of BMDO/Federal Office Building (FOB) #2 – call it approximately 9:36 AM. I was already trying to make some sense out of the World Trade Tower attacks having heard about them on the radio. The news was sketchy, but the fact that it was a terrorist attack was already known. I then realized that I was wearing sunglasses and needed to go back to Lot 3 to retrieve my clear lenses. Since it was by no means a short walk to my car, I was upset with myself for being so distracted. Approximately 10 steps out from between Wings 4 and 5, I was making a gentle right turn towards the security check-in building just above Wing 4 when I became aware of something unusual. I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking about at that moment, but I started to hear an increasingly loud rumbling behind me and to my left. As I turned to my left, I immediately realized the noise was bouncing off the 4-story structure that was Wing 5. One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. I instantly had a very bad feeling about this but things were happening very quickly. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB). Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities.
Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon. There was a large explosion noise and the low frequency sound echo that comes with this type of sound. Associated with that was the increase in air pressure, momentarily, like a small gust of wind. For those formerly in the military, it sounded like a 2000lb bomb going off roughly ½ mile in front of you. At once there was a huge cloud of black smoke that rose several hundred feet up. Elapsed time from hearing the initial noise to when I saw the impact flash was between 12 and 15 seconds.
The Reaction
Many of the FOB people had been looking at the news reports flowing out of the attack on the World Trade Center Towers, going about their normal work routine as they watched. Maybe half or a bit more already knew of the New York attacks. However, within seconds of the impact -- less than a minute after the FOB flyover-- several thousand people started exiting the FOB.
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Michael Dobbs: "I was looking out the window and saw it come right over the Navy annex at a slow angle."
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On the surface, the security issue sounds prudent. The MDA sits atop a hill overlooking the Pentagon in a facility historically known as the Navy Annex. My office overlooked the side of the Pentagon that was struck by the airliner flown by the Sept. 11 terrorists. That jet flew over the Navy Annex before crashing into the Pentagon. While moving the MDA outside the Washington metro area may make sense, widely dispersing its employees does not.
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The Navy Annex Building on Columbia Pike in Arlington, Va., was the last sight some of the passengers on American Airlines Flight 77 saw before it sliced into the Pentagon on 11 September. With its landing gear down, the Boeing 757 flew so low that it shook the Annex and rattled windows. The Marines inside the Annex thought a freight train had passed overhead...It will never again be "business as usual" for Marines since Flight 77 flew over the Navy Annex Building on 11 September.
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Although we did not know it at the time, a hijacked plane was heading directly for our office. Unable to bleed altitude, the terrorists-turned-pilots circled left and made their approach from a different direction, over the Navy Annex and toward the Navy Operations Center. Unknowingly, all of us in the VCNO's office had dodged a bullet; because of Doug Crowder's intervention, I would be dodging two.
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I departed my desk at the Navy Annex three months prior to the September attack. In fact, United Airlines flight 77 roared over my former office at less than 100 feet before burrowing itself in the Pentagon.
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Scott Perry of Spotsylvania County heard a plane's engines rumbling above the Navy Annex building where he works, so he looked out his window, which faces the Pentagon.
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This places 77 not over the Annex, he was not in the Annex, he had just left and made a turn to the guard shack next to 4 and 5 wings. Then looks up and sees 77. Look up, what angle are you looking at? Is that over you? Half the universe is over me, the other half under. Witness statements, what do they mean? With experience you can figure this out, but since you have ignored physics evidence supported by your own witnesses (which you misinterpreted), and leave out things like parallel, you are stuck with your non-paths, made up in the first place but now you are just trying to disprove 77 hit the light posts, with witness testimony that saw 77 go right by the light posts. ???
outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB).
Therefore 77 was not over the Annex, he would not be able to follow the tail to the Pentagon, from up the hill over 70 feet above the impact zone, down the hill to the Pentagon. Why do you insist on including testimony which does not support your over the Annex stuff?
The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon.
No Paik said 77 was near the tower, close enough for the wing to touch it. That makes 77 60 feet SOUTH, at a minimum, of the Pike.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Paik and Morin place the plane on the NORTH side of Columbia Pike.
And there is no way that Morin could see the tail if the plane entered the building on the first floor.
Originally posted by beachnut
reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT
So you say Boger, who said he saw it hit, is a liar? How many witnesses have you discredited and still use their testimony?
Please present to the degree the bank angle, not seen by Paik, or Morin. Oops, there was no bank over 10 degrees seen by anyone in the last 10 seconds. Are you going to make up something new?
Sorry, the evidenced stands, your witness saw 77 hit the Pentagon, and Morin saw the tail crash into the Pentagon, not fly over.
Paik's path is South of the Pike, and Morin's path is parallel to the Annex. Parallel means not over the Annex, both make paths made up by you, all you non paths, impossible. Paik says the plane was near the tower, south of the Pike.
All your witnesses support the official path. Paik, south of Pike and he points to the Pentagon, Morin parallel to the Annex watching the tail go to the Pentagon where the impact was, and right through the lamp posts, and Boger, he sees 77 hit!
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
.....and supporting the north of citgo approach.
The NTSB data and the physical damage require the plane to remain completely on the south side of Columbia Pike at all times and in fact on the south side of the VDOT building directly over the communications antenna.
But this is far from where the witnesses place the plane who have it flying directly over the Navy Annex like Edward Paik describes in The PentaCon Smoking Gun Version.
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Terry Morin is a witness who was on the Navy Annex property at the time of the event and he also specifically describes the plane as directly over him and NOT across the street on the south side of Columbia Pike where it needed to be to fit the official story.
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He clearly states that the plane:
-Flew "right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB"
-Was "50 ft above the FOB"
-"Cleared the 8th wing"
- Was involved in a "FOB flyover"
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Due to all of these extreme contradictions with the official story and explicit exaggerated details meant to support it....it's clear that Morin is either relaying a completely fabricated or else wildly embellished account.
Granted Terry Morin claims the plane was "parallel" to the building while Paik describes it at a bit of an angle but exact heading would be a difficult detail to accurately determine with a plane directly above you
Obviously the evidence that the plane flew over the Navy Annex is abundant.
Morin said parallel. Do you need help with parallel? It means Paik and Morin prove the official path is true, and Morin saw the tail as 77 impacts the Pentagon. Flyover - 0 Official flight path – 2
Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
.....and supporting the north of citgo approach.
The NTSB data and the physical damage require the plane to remain completely on the south side of Columbia Pike at all times and in fact on the south side of the VDOT building directly over the communications antenna.
I wholly disagree with that statement. It would have to be on some line, not necc. perfectly straight, thru that area. It could have been almost straight down the Pike, your own line shows it crossing at the crook (not south), and it might've even been able to cross the very corner of the Annex and still fit all the other evidence. Unless you know more about plane handling than me (I'm guessing we're about on par).
However it could not substantially cross over the Annex with more than maybe the left wing.
You mean the witness.
There are a lot of people whao said it came in "over the Annex." Plot their perspectives and I'll bet you most of those were north of the Annex.
Ahem...
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Due to all of these extreme contradictions with the official story and explicit exaggerated details meant to support it....it's clear that Morin is either relaying a completely fabricated or else wildly embellished account.
I guess it was AFTER this you realized he was a NoC witness as you say?
Unless you were just gauging it relative to the big building you're next to. Where, ever, does he say it was OVER the BUILDING? "Above" the building, yes. "Essentially directly over" himself, yes. "red and blue stripes," innvisible from directly below unless it's a bit south and banking left or a bit north and banking right. Which one fits closer with "parallel to the building's edge?"
other corroborating accounts:
Michael Dobbs:
Scott Perry of Spotsylvania County
Just the two?
Be patient, it may not be as obvious to everyone else yet.
Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
You have provided NOTHING to show how the left wing could have passed over the Navy Annex and still fit with the official data.
Pure speculative nonsense.
You once again have to assert that the witnesses are simultaneously wrong in the same way and that the plane was not directly above them at all if you want to continue to obsessively defend the official story.
Ahem...
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Due to all of these extreme contradictions with the official story and explicit exaggerated details meant to support it....it's clear that Morin is either relaying a completely fabricated or else wildly embellished account.
I guess it was AFTER this you realized he was a NoC witness as you say?
Since the ONA claim is corroborated by Edward and others it's clear that this part of Morin's testimony is accurate.
Now you are being disingenuous.
He was on the property. Directly over him is over the building.
Edward's detailed testimony of the location of the fuselage over the building corroborates Morin's claim.
What kind of a person admits to "obsessing" on such a thing to feed his "ego"?
Originally posted by Griff
All I can say is I'm surprised Captian Obvious hasn't chimed in yet exclaiming how evil you guys are for selling things to support your research. Maybe he has the day off?
Originally posted by Griff
All I can say is I'm surprised Captian Obvious hasn't chimed in yet exclaiming how evil you guys are for selling things to support your research. Maybe he has the day off?
[edit on 4/19/2008 by Griff]