U.S Strike on Iran Nearing

U.S Strike on Iran Nearing

www.newsmax.com

Contrary to some claims that the Bush administration will allow diplomacy to handle Iran’s nuclear weapons program, a leading member of America’s Jewish community tells Newsmax that a military strike is not only on the table – but likely.

“Israel is preparing for heavy casualties,” the source said, suggesting that although Israel will not take part in the strike, it is expecting to be the target of Iranian retribution.

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I know this topic has been beat to death, but I still feel like many others on this board that there could very likely be a full scale war with Iran before Bush leaves office!!!! I think it will take on small false flag here in the states, and then it's Shock and Awe II over Iran.

www.newsmax.com
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Shock and awe #1: A huge nuclear war, Iran the target

Shock and awe #2: BUSH TO REMAIN IN THE PRESIDENCY...until further notice.

DICTATORSHIP- for the good of Americans, mankind, the world, and the Universe.

If you ask me, there is only one definition of dictatorship and its not benevolent.

[edit on 15-4-2008 by dgtempe]

Serious question

do many americans believe bush could seize total power and become a dictator?????

Do you think all the armed forces would follow him, as well as all the people in the street, the militia's etc etc etc

Maybe its because im just a brit but americans always bang on about the constitution you have, soldiers swear to defend it etc, yet people seem to believe one half arsed loony with an equally mad father could seize absolute power and ride roughshod over the entire country with everyone blindly obeying his dictatorial orders?

Never happen wouldnt worry about it

It gets worse:

Pat Buchanan: Petraeus Points to War With Iran

So, can Petraeus be trusted? Or is he a dirty liar spouting the party line so Bu$hCo can make more money from the blood of our soldiers?

reply to post by expatwhite
short answer: YES.
Nothing can be put past him. He will create an emergency, and you betcha he will stay and so will the Dick.

I regretfully say that most of America would fall in lock step behind Bush if Martial Law and the overthrow of the Constitution is declared. I imagine a system where the Media promotes it 'for the good of the people' and the majority follows blindly.

Our Media has gotten so corrupt, and the brainwashing of our citizenry so total that the answer is YES than could be accomplished.

I think there will be groups of resistance that will form, but they can be controlled by the police state.

Originally posted by dgtempe
reply to post by expatwhite

 

short answer: YES.
Nothing can be put past him. He will create an emergency, and you betcha he will stay and so will the Dick.

Honestly? I just cant see it. I can MAYBE see some sort of false flag operation to help his successor but how could he cancel the elections? Surely the military might of the worlds greatest superpower would refuse any illegal orders. And if he voids the elctions and grabs for power,wouldnt ALL of his orders be illegal. The secret service would refuse to protect him and thats the end of that problem. I cannot see him finding too many loyal people prepared to take a bullet for him if thats the case can you?

And all your kooks over there are armed to the teeth, job sorted

I tend to believe that the Israeli's have a keener insight into what may or may not happen in the ME in general, but, more specifically to this point, in Iran.

Even the top Israeli Military analysts do not believe a strike is even CLOSE, much less likely at all:

Jerusalem
With U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney in Israel this week talking about Iran, the big question was whether President Bush would be willing to use military force in the waning days of his presidency to stop Iran's nuclear-weapons program.
The answer from most Israeli intelligence analysts: not likely.

They say that the chances of a U.S. military strike against Iran or its nuclear installations -- whether out of Bush's view of a strategic imperative or conviction that no one else will do the job -- remain quite remote.

Jewish Exponent Article Source

I happen to agree with their conclusions, and frankly, it makes the most sense.


Just my $.02


AB1

I think most importantly Bush will continue to do whatever it takes to keep the money rolling into his corporate friends. With the fall of the dollar, and the upcoming war economy we just might need a massive full scale war to help bring the dollar back, and the media to sell the public a war through fear!!! There are so many pieces to this puzzle, you can see them all starting to fall into place slowly.

I think the nation has become so apathetic and dumbed down so much, that they will do nearly anything to continue their lifestyles, even if it means following a mad man towards destruction of the country and the what is left of the constitution

Originally posted by expatwhite
Serious question

do many americans believe bush could seize total power and become a dictator?????

A very good question indeed. Could he? Short answer, yes. The mechanisms are in place. The Constitution is basically in tatters (just a G-DDamned Piece of Paper to Bush), and a range of line-items have been signed into law allowing a President broad powers to suspend traditional liberties in case of "disaster".

Do you think all the armed forces would follow him, as well as all the people in the street, the militia's etc etc etc

Trouble is, many soldiers, especially the youngest and weakest-willed, will follow whatever orders they are given regardless of legitimacy. Abu Ghraib should have proved that to any who doubt. I've personally known many who I have no doubts would put a gun to their own mother's head if so ordered. Not being a soldier myself I have little first-hand knowledge, but from what I've gleaned through reliable sources every aspect of military life from boot to the frat-boy environment of the small unit is geared toward fostering an "us-vs.-them" attitude in all things, and all many soldiers need is to be told who "they" are.

The "common man" will be too busy watching TV and downloading porn to even think about this until it's too late.

The militias are marked men. There's reasons for all the new surveillance acts of the past few years, and I'd bet my last dollar the NSA/FBI/whoever know exactly who each member is, where they live, what guns they own and are proficient with, and the best time of day to "hit" them in order to neutralize the militia "threat". I'd wager there's a great deal of infiltration by the authorities as well. And, if and when such a raid were to happen, the media would lap it all up as we watch it unfold in real time on Faux News.

And of course, should the militias survive and the military desert, there's always the Blackwater mercenary forces to deal with. Blackwater has been recruiting heavily from foreign territories like Africa, Europe and South America. Such mercenaries care only for money, and would have no qualms whatsoever shooting Americans.

Maybe its because im just a brit but americans always bang on about the constitution you have, soldiers swear to defend it etc, yet people seem to believe one half arsed loony with an equally mad father could seize absolute power and ride roughshod over the entire country with everyone blindly obeying his dictatorial orders?

Unfortunately it's not just him. It's Cheney, PNAC, and a whole pack of loonies who run the entire military/industrial complex, the intelligence agencies, the federal justice system, and the energy infrastructure, and who can call upon their paid-off lackeys in state and local governments to enforce their will.

Never happen

wouldnt worry about it

Normally I would agree with you, and I hope to whatever God you pray to that you're right. It is far more likely, I think that Bush would use this to try and make McCain the front-runner for the November elections, thus ensuring Neo-Con policies for another four years without the risks involved in a real-life martial law situation. But things are happening awfully fast, and it's getting harder to keep up. A lot depends on Democrats being able to stick to an economic message, and developing real plans to make the economy work for the common man again--because that's what the Neo-Cons really fear the most.

[edit on 4/15/2008 by The Nighthawk]

Originally posted by expatwhite
Serious question

do many americans believe bush could seize total power and become a dictator?????

Do you think all the armed forces would follow him, as well as all the people in the street, the militia's etc etc etc

I dont know..

People are really, truly, seriously stupid..

I think this might be Iraq in the US if it does go down..

Cause some of us do not want a lot of things that happened in the last 8 yrs..

But that some of us are so remoter from each other and probably get screwed if we tried to meet up pre martial law that it will all just be lost.

They have seats reserved for us people who post on ATS anti government tho in the gas chambers.

So those idiots will blindly follow Satan into hell before giving a look what what god shows them... Altho gods way isn't the best and easiest way, and Satan's is..

Sorry for the religious paraphrase but hey.. it fits..


[edit on 4/15/2008 by ThichHeaded]

My nephew is a Special Forces soldier. And he's been telling us (family) since December 2006 that we're going to Iran.

Originally posted by Ed Rose
My nephew is a Special Forces soldier. And he's been telling us (family) since December 2006 that we're going to Iran.

Ed,

I'm sorry if I'm about to sound condescending, however, if your nephew is truly "SpecOPs", he wouldn't be telling you a thing of that nature. I'm equally as certain that he would just be telling you nothing, and when it happens, you would know.

A Special Forces operative would never compromise their advanage by erroneously giving information that can be used against them in the end. For Iran to have any pre-knowledge of this "impending" attack would be doing just that.

Certainly you could argue that, he provided this information to you with the complete knowledge that you could be trusted, but clearly, if that were your argument, you disproved that AND your trust to him by saying as much here.

Perhaps your nephew was stating his OPINION, but his opinion has no more or less value than any of ours.


AB1

reply to post by The Nighthawk



great response, given me more of an insight into the problems you might face if the loony does make a serious grab for dictatorship

Also thichheaded, i do agree with you that most people (in every country) are stupid and just follow like sheep

Originally posted by expatwhite
Serious question

do many americans believe bush could seize total power and become a dictator?????

Do you think all the armed forces would follow him, as well as all the people in the street, the militia's etc etc etc

I still don't have an opinion on that subject, but I'd like to propose a "mind exercise".
Here it is:
9/11 was 2001.
Now Bush is saying to "prepare for another 9/11-like event".
If the congress, White House or any other "symbol" (as was WTC) is bombed just 2 or 3 weeks before the election, what would the Presidential reaction be?
Stop elections until "figuring out" who did it? Or pass on the problem for the next administration?

I don't have much knowledge on the american constitution but does it say (if does) about elections during a war period? After all, an attack such as 9-11 could be consider an attack on the nation.


Just a thought.

Peace

I agree, it is likely that your nephew was merely stating his opinion based on some other information he has on hand. However, not even his superiors would know if they were going to Iran or not.
On the other hand, regardless of whether they are going to Iran or not, they will still train for it and get prepared, as it is a possibility.


On the subject of Bush using a war with Iran to stay in power, I wouldn't be surprised.
Ask yourself one question, what could you do about it? Nothing. If Bush and his cronies want to enact a dictatorship to see the rest of the war out, there's nothing you can do about it. Same reason why the people in the worlds most power dictatorships were unable to do anything to stop it.

He's already knowingly violated, and knowingly permitted a number of people to violate a number of Geneva conventions. He simply doesn't have a conscience.

I'm not saying he WILL do it. I just wouldn't be surprised in the least if he did. Luckily for me, I have no ties with the States. Moving to the states used to be a possibility for my future if my career required me to do so... however, now I would sooner quit a company than be forced to work in the states.
I'm hearing of allot more people taking the same stance up here. Many simply wouldn't cross the border into the states even to visit friends any more.


Back on topic of Iran :

Keep in mind, Iran is a voting country.
While the media will continually refer to Iran as a dictatorship, they do use an electoral process.
In 1979 the Pahlavi monarchy of Iran was overthrown, similar to Americas revolution from Britain's Monarchy.
They now hold a president in charge. While they do employ an individual with the title "Supreme Leader" (It doesn't translate properly), that individual rarely exercises his position in government... much the same way that a Governor General simply watches a government and steps in if things go wrong.

The people WANT that government there, they fought to get it in there, and they sure as heck aren't going to let it be taken out without a serious fight.
The people of Iran WILL fight for Iran.

If the US attempts to claim they are doing this for the people of Iran, know then that they are lying to you.

If the US attempts to claim they are doing this for the safety of the region, check into the alliances of the region and political ties. You will quickly find that this is also a lie.


The wisest decision with regards to Iran is simply to stop pressuring them, and establish a political communication line between Iran and New Iraq, with an acknowledgment of the sovereignty of Iraq as an independent nation. (Which will be hard as there is no clear government in Iraq anymore... the borders are meaningless now.)

Originally posted by Sator
I don't have much knowledge on the american constitution but does it say (if does) about elections during a war period? After all, an attack such as 9-11 could be consider an attack on the nation.

The election has never been suspended, not even during the civil war. The most insane war the US has ever faced since the constitution was writen.

I dont think the elections can be suspended actually.. I dont think the constitution says that.. It does say every 4 yrs.

But just to let u know the most craziest time in us history the elections were still held.

So a nuke going off in say NYC or Pittsburgh or Seattle shouldn't suspend the elections.


::EDIT::

I just looked at the constitution and it says nothing about the elections being able to be suspended.

www.usconstitution.net...



[edit on 4/15/2008 by ThichHeaded]

[edit on 4/15/2008 by ThichHeaded]

Originally posted by expatwhite
Serious question

do many americans believe bush could seize total power and become a dictator?????

Yeah I wouldn't worry about it either. This country is full of whistleblowers. We might be morons content to watch mindless TV shows till our hair turns grey but we love our constitution. Bush is on his way out, but he sure left a mess for the next president to try and clean up..

reply to post by ThichHeaded


Thanks for the heads up

Just to make it AS CLEAR AS IT GETS, never in time an election was suspended in the US... Good.

So now I know we're talking about a possibility of the first time...

Let's hope it doesn't take place.


Peace