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Congrats! Sounds like a good find.
Originally posted by believerofni
I finally got my hands on a copy of Morals & Dogma circa 1918, original print, prior to any edits or re-writes etc. It was from an estate sale of a general and pitsburgh senator.
Well, it's not really hidden either. I mean the wikipedia article on it even quotes
Reading the preface alone its openly admitted that Albert Pike wasn't the original author of various portions of the book and that various portions were taken from other articles and essays from what are refered to as older and more talented writers, but that all of the material has been re-worded and altered by Pike and displayed in the book as his own work in it's entirety.
This is interesting considering I've never once read this anywhere in any discussion relating to the book.
Pike took all the stuff that Waite and others gave him, compiled it and rewrote a lot filling in the blanks. You really have to join the Scottish Rite to get the full theatrical production of the degrees he writes about, but before he got to them, a lot of the degrees were not much more than sketches and outlines of what the degree was about, and what the key symbols were. Pike was instrumental in codifying it, rearranging the order of a couple of degrees so they made more sense in sequence, and expanding the stories told during the degrees.
In preparing this work, the Grand Commander has been about equally Author and Compiler; since he has extracted quite half of its contents from the works of the best writers and most philosophic or eloquent thinkers. Perhaps it would have been better and more acceptable if he had extracted more and written less.
Sure, can you spot any obvious differences with the one posted on Project Gutenberg? (Other than the txt file missing the drawings & engravings, obviously.)
If there are any things anyone would like looked up within my copy of the book to determine accuracy with regards to potential edits in newer versions etc, feel free to ask.
Originally posted by tankthinker
so wait this thread got my attention but what is the book actually about??
Originally posted by JoshNorton
]Pike took all the stuff that Waite and others gave him, compiled it and rewrote a lot filling in the blanks.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
But the real criticism should be directed against Waite for poor research: the rituals that Waite were criticizing were not Pike's revised ritual, but were instead Yarker's Cerneau Rite.
Originally posted by lost in the midwest
Pike's revised ritual, but were instead Yarker's Cerneau Rite.
I would be interested in getting a copy of Yarker's Cerneau Rite. Were can I find a copy?
I was wrong to say Waite. I was going by memory at work... just looked it up—it was Mackey that handed Pike stacks of paper, not Waite.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Originally posted by JoshNorton
]Pike took all the stuff that Waite and others gave him, compiled it and rewrote a lot filling in the blanks.
Just a small correction: Pike did not use Waite as a source, nor did he receive or use any materials from Waite. Pike's primary sources were Eliphas Levi, Henry Cornelius Agrippa, Church Fathers, Webb and Preston, and various philosophers, especially Plotinus and Plato.
In his Masonic Encyclopedia, Waite strongly criticized Pike for what Waite believed was Pike's revised ritual. But the real criticism should be directed against Waite for poor research: the rituals that Waite were criticizing were not Pike's revised ritual, but were instead Yarker's Cerneau Rite.
-- Scottish Rite Ritual Monitor & Guide by De Hoyos
Over a period of two years Mackey loaned a substantial part of his manuscript ritual collection to Pike, who transcribed and subsequently bound them into a large volume...entitled "Formulas and Rituals transcribed by Albert Pike in 1854 and 1855".
I was wrong to say Waite. I was going by memory at work... just looked it up—it was Mackey that handed Pike stacks of paper, not Waite.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
-- Scottish Rite Ritual Monitor & Guide by De Hoyos
Over a period of two years Mackey loaned a substantial part of his manuscript ritual collection to Pike, ".