Mexicans Have Plans for the American Southwest:They vow to take it over

Well, you can't expect them to not fight back.

By all accounts, the Mexican army was more well organized then the Texan army, and was far larger.. Texas was by majority of the population American, and thus suffered AGGRESSION from MEXICO ...

Mexico was ignorant.. their war was lost as usual because of corruption and ignorant leaders.. resulting in America crushing them. Population and arm wise, Mexico should have fared their own.. they did not however, and America took the lands Mexico hardly even cared about to begin with.

(the majority of the population, aside from white settlers where Native Americans... not Spanish speaking Mexicans.)

Except when it benefits your position, I presume?

Tell you what buddy.. prove to me that "international LAW" exist... and I will concede your being right.

However, I want legal definition that all nations abide, are bound, and have presumed legal ramifications if not following said laws. Treaties do not exist as laws but as partial legal guidelines to direct national policies for the fairing of the world community, if said treaty does not go against national security, national wellbeing and national interest. That being said, please, I BEG of you... show me your intellectual side.

Prove to me INTERNATIONAL LAW.

If you cannot, congrats on embarrassing your self.

Well, while Russia and France never actually owned the land they sold to us (Nor did hte British sugar plantation owners own Hawai'i when they sold it to us) there is still the difference ebtween sale of stolen property, and a war of conquest.

Depends on what you consider "owned" ..

First. War is a natural process by which nations legally and by all means rightfully aquire land, population and resources.

Secondly. Land ownership is only as rightful as the current occupiers ability to defend it. The only outside force is an outside pressure which can persuade me NOT to take said land.. for instance, I could conquer my neighbors house.. declare it my own and sell it. Who would stop me if I kill my neighbor? The police. Who would stop Napoleon from selling all the land of the Louisiana Purchase? No one.... thus, he owned it be concession that the real owners (dutch and English, and some parts SPain) .. had actually given it to France because they could not defend it..

Its the same way we acquired Florida.. Spain wanted no trouble with America, and so, by the fact they could do nothing, Florida was now American.

But I have a feeling you know.. oh so little regarding history and the actual legal side of international relations........

Want a napkin to get that spittle off your screen?

The logic is this "Israel was there first! They can take whatever they want! The Palestinians can suck it, they're trespassers! What? Hell no I'm not giving my property back to the Arapaho, what the hell is wrong with you?!"

The proper term is hypocrisy.

Want a little common sense to cure your blatant ignorance?

The logic is this: Europe is and was stronger then the Middle East, Thus, some Palestinian peasants where kicked off their dirt farms and sent to different countries and kingdoms because the powers that be said so.

Had they not wanted that, they should have fought an insurgency THEN and not now.. however, at the time no one hated them enough as Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt now do to finance their own demise.

The proper term is "lack of understanding" .. essentially.. of the entire situation ..

Oh, please don't. Just don't bitch too loudly that the tide is turning.

Tide turning? ... lol.. I have a 12 gauge, a 45 and an AR15 that says "the tide shall never turn"

Call me a bigot if you will, Mexico will never put forth aggression on my people. That backwards, corrupted cesspool of a nation can go to hell as far as I am concerned.

What Spanish? I know Mexican immigrants who speak Spanish, sure... But they're not Spanish. The people shuffling over the border probably had family farming corn in front of their pueblos there before your ancestors had figured out that drinking the water you poop in makes you sick.

The majority of Mexicans are Mestizos son.. I would expect someone as astute on Mexico as YOU to understand that.. ah, but just another blind fool persuaded by idiocracy to believe as one wishes..

Mestizos are Spanish Indian blood mixtures.. which is why Mexicans so often resemble Europeans.. the only difference being a slight coloration of the skin, sometimes, hardly even that... most of the time resembling far more Spanish then Mexican.. as the majority of the Native population died during conquest, the Spaniards WHO ARE FREAKING EUROPEAN!!! made the majority of the population! .. So # this BS about "your ancestors stole our native land" .. Your ancestors raped, pillaged, #, burned and destroyed just as much as mine did.

I will gladly await your definition, explanation and legal citing of "international law" as you see fit.. be it in this thread, U2U or in another.. though given your lack of understanding regarding every single thing you have talked about.. I won't put out to much hope.......

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Way I figure it? Americans really have no room to bitch about other people moving into their backyards.

We do when they come here illegally and break the laws of the land by using false names and social security numbers.

You say the way you figure it? If that's the way you figure it, then you can't bitch about your ancestors then either. We should all be beyond the past, beyond racism, beyond all of the past faults of human ignorants, but as long as someone keeps bringing it up then the past will always be the future too.

Mexicans will never "take over" any part of the U.S.
It is simply not in the best interest of the Mexican Government, no Mexican leader in their senses will ever try to go down that road, it would be suicide. On the other hand I agree that there are organizations in the U.S. that have a shady agenda, but it really only amounts to freedom of speech, they can talk as much as they want, it`s all bs.
Not much to discuss here.

Look at it this way, If they actually got the land they would have to walk all the way to the Colorado river to swim across to get a job.

OK, that was probably uncalled for.

What worries me is the world is getting smaller and the hatred between the races of people is getting stronger.

Everyone is becoming intently focused on the things that divide us. Race, religion, skin color, looks, beliefs, perspectives, sexual orientation....

I just keep getting this really bad feeling that the darkness is winning, and I don't know how to stop it.

It scares me.

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That was great!, thank you very much ...

Now some more text just to avoid the non-actual-comment one line post.

And now i say goodbye...

WOW imagine that another country is standing up to the USA and saying they are taking their land back you know the one that was stolen from them.... I just hope the Indians (Native Americans) arent listening otherwise were all screwed cuz they can take back the whole US not just a few states.

USA was made by the latino people most of the buildings and homes are built by latinos and they pay more taxes then you do how they do not do their taxes and dont get their refund so what happens to those billions of dollars thats owed to the working "illegal immigrants" well it goes into the USA's wallet I think its a fair trade off.

Look it up its something like 480 Billion dollars that illegal immigrants put into the US.

Originally posted by M4K4V3LI

USA was made by the latino people most of the buildings and homes are built by latinos

Only the crappiest houses have been built by illegals. I live in one and we should have been more careful in choosing a house. The entire front door casing was held in only by the four screws that secured the lockplate to the casing. Our roof blew off in the first year, and numerous electrical and plumbing problems have surfaced since we purchased the house. We used to drive by as our house was being built and the entire crew looked to be illegal aliens.

THE BEST HOUSING IS BUILT WITH ALL AMERICAN LABOR. WE KNOW THE CODE AND DO NOT BUILD CARDBOARD HOUSES AND THINK THEY ARE THE BOMB. WE DO NOT CUT CORNERS.

In early California, about the time the U.S. took it over, there were many Native Americans who basically worked as slaves for the wealthy Spanish who had numerous land grants from Spain. This was about the time that Father Junipero Serra was building all of his missions - with Native American slave labor. There were some Mexican settlers, and even more Spanish settlers. The URL below will take you to an article on California demographics at the time the U.S. took over California. Settlers who lived in California were called Californios, disregarding where they came from.

en.wikipedia.org...

I grew up in California and lived there almost my whole life until 3 yrs. ago. In 4th grade, we were all taught Calif. history. I grew up in L.A. where there are many, many Mexicans. Few of them look like Europeans; some do, but mostly they look Indian, which is mostly what they are. What gets me is that Mexico only ruled Calif. from 1821 until 1850 - less than 30 years, a relatively short period of time. After all this time, they want it back, but it's been part of the U.S. for 150 years.

Rockpuck: I'm not sure what you mean by "there is no military law". There's a whole code of military law and the military handles its affairs according to this code. That's why they have JAG lawyers, lawyers who work only for the military and know military law, which is what the military uses for its legal foundation. Remember when G. W. Bush decreed that terrorists will be handled by military tribunals?

LOL ya the best is american labor yet you chose the cheap route to save money well Im guessing the person you chose to build the house was not an illegal immigrant but gave you a really good price. You get what you pay for if you paid for cheap material what did you expect. How can you say your house falling apart is the fault of the people who built it? if the material is cheap its not meant to last I dont care who put it together. I saw a garage built buy Danleys and they used white immigrants they didnt speak english only the main guy did and he translated to them guess what not even 4 years later the garage was falling apart... do I blame the white immigrants no I know they got the garage built for $3,000 and the materials looked thin and cheap they got what they paid for!

Originally posted by M4K4V3LI
Look it up its something like 480 Billion dollars that illegal immigrants put into the US.

Ok I was a little off it was actually a little smaller but still up there

"The Internal Revenue Service doesn't track a worker's immigration status, yet many illegal immigrants fearful of deportation won't risk the government attention that will come from filing a return even if they might qualify for a refund. Economist William Ford of Middle Tennessee State University says there are no firm figures on how many taxpayers are in that situation."

"He calculates that illegal immigrants contributed $428 billion dollars to the nation's $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006. That number assumes illegal immigrants are 30 percent less productive than other workers."

Read the whole thing here:
www.msnbc.msn.com...

I for one would get a chuckle out of some Malibu Movie star being a gardner or house maiden to a hispanic family,,,
"Heh heh heh there Miss Cruize" lets have a look in that purse before you go!

Originally posted by M4K4V3LI

Originally posted by M4K4V3LI
Look it up its something like 480 Billion dollars that illegal immigrants put into the US.

Ok I was a little off it was actually a little smaller but still up there

"The Internal Revenue Service doesn't track a worker's immigration status, yet many illegal immigrants fearful of deportation won't risk the government attention that will come from filing a return even if they might qualify for a refund. Economist William Ford of Middle Tennessee State University says there are no firm figures on how many taxpayers are in that situation."

"He calculates that illegal immigrants contributed $428 billion dollars to the nation's $13.6 trillion gross domestic product in 2006. That number assumes illegal immigrants are 30 percent less productive than other workers."

Read the whole thing here:
www.msnbc.msn.com...

Most illegals are paid under the table and their incomes are not even reported to the IRS. When you are using illegal, criminal labor, you do not want documentation of it.

Originally posted by M4K4V3LI
LOL ya the best is american labor yet you chose the cheap route to save money well Im guessing the person you chose to build the house was not an illegal immigrant but gave you a really good price. You get what you pay for if you paid for cheap material what did you expect. How can you say your house falling apart is the fault of the people who built it? if the material is cheap its not meant to last I dont care who put it together. I saw a garage built buy Danleys and they used white immigrants they didnt speak english only the main guy did and he translated to them guess what not even 4 years later the garage was falling apart... do I blame the white immigrants no I know they got the garage built for $3,000 and the materials looked thin and cheap they got what they paid for!

Sorry, it was not the materials, it was the workers who did not know how to do the jobs they were being hired for. Did you not read the part about the front door being installed improperly? The roof blew off because the staples were put in with too much air pressure and went almost completely through the shingles. The plumbing problems were improperly soldered copper pipes and improperly glued pvc ones.

Do you go looking for the most expensive items when you buy something? Everybody wants a bargain, but nobody wants shoddy workmanship. I think the big problem here is that Mexicans do not know what quality workmanship is. You can go to any Mexican market and see the lack of quality in the items sold there. Everything looks cheap and shoddy. Mexican guitars are a prime example. Only the poorest newbies who do not know any better choose a Mexican made guitar. Those who expect quality choose an American made one.



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Most illegals are paid under the table and their incomes are not even reported to the IRS. When you are using illegal, criminal labor, you do not want documentation of it.

Right so that just further proves my point about immigrants making America? I wonder if they sent everyone back where they came from where would you go? You cant stay here unless your a NATIVE American then you are from here... So if you dont like it go back to your country. The USA is what the founding fathers wanted it to be its a land where everyone is free to come and live free with liberty and justice for all not all except (latino, arabs and North Koreans and Iranians and so on) its for everyone to live free and the Government now says you need permission from them to be here really in a free land? Fine make your laws but you cannot stop the idea.

Our Government persuaded the bringing down of the Berlin Wall because it seperated people and families and then they go and want to build a wall to serperate the US and Mexico LOL oh the irony

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Well that's pretty racist...

In my experience it's not true either, me & my roommates have hired a Mexican gardener (he's not an illegal, he owns a house in Mexico and commutes here to San Diego for work, which is perfectly legal), and if he didn't do quality work, we wouldn't be paying him our hard-earned bucks.

But he works his behind off, and what for us is a good bargain, is for him a good day's pay. He's extremely meticulous about his work and takes very good care of our yard, plus he's a nice guy and a family man that we trust having around our house when we're not home.

Stereotypes are BS.
People are real.

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Sorry but not everyone was free, they had "indentured servants". These were people that were too poor to pay their own way to the "New" world. So they became laborers for whom ever paid for ( I think) 7 years. this was BEFORE slavery, and was the genesis of slavery.

Yes everyone was "free" to come here, but you STILL had to pay for your ticket, which is what immigration policy is, the price of a ticket to freedom.

Lets say you own a home, with a nice big yard, and I come along, and like the yard so much I put up a tent in your yard, then condemn you for being racist because you don't like me living in your yard.

"You have more money then I do and a better living standard, why are you mad that I'm living in a tent in your yard, I'm not hurting you at all"

Does being poor and ignorant give one the right to take from the rich and wise?

There ofcourse will be pockets that will be majority hispanic, just like we have pockets where all minorities congregate, ofcourse they are the largets minority and are mostly in the southwest, but where exactly do you think the blacks, whites, asians, East Indians, middle Easterners and whoever else, are they all gonna move? No. They gonna die? No. They gonna magically disappear? No. These are wild dreams made by nationalistic and prideful individuals. Dreams of grandeur, literally impossible outcomes. I live in a town just east of San Diego called Santee and you don't get much more SW than this.
Santee
Population White 43,354 (78.6%) Amer Indian 331 ( .6%)Hispanic Origin 6,950 (12.6%) Pacific Islndr 165 ( .3%)Asian 1,544 ( 2.8%) Other Race 110 ( .2%)Black/Afr Amer 938 ( 1.7%).

San Diego
Hispanic/Latino (25.4%) - includes White Hispanic (11%)
non-Hispanic White alone (49.36%)
non-Hispanic Black (7.5%)
non-Hispanic Other Race alone (0.2%)
non-Hispanic Asian, Hawaiian and Pacific Islander alone (13.9%)
non-Hispanic American Indian/Alaska Native alone (0.4%)
non-Hispanic Multiracial (3.3%)
Whites are doing just fine here, trust me when I tell you, no one is moving to Europe. Doesn't that sound like what racists tell black people, go back to Africa. Ignorance is fear.

No we will all continue to living together, creating minor pockets withing the major pockets of mixed people, some looking black, some looking white, some looking mexican.

Well, some of you are adament that we should give the land back to the mexican supremists. This, in short, is asinine. Stupid. Idiotic. I don't care what some people think is a "Legal" war. I'm sorry, but there are no rules in war.
The United States fought a war with Mexico, who by all rights at the time, had a formidable military, over contested territories above the Rio Grande. They were answering the cry of help from the Texicans, who were under oppresion from Mexican Leaders.

We kicked their butts in open battle, and as the saying goes: "To the victor, the spoils."
We need to severly limit immigration quotas, not because we are afraid of other cultures, but for the simple fact that we need to preserve our own. It wouldn't matter if they came over, wanting to be "Americans," but they want to come over and still be "Mexicans." You can brind your culture with you, but once your here, (legally) you are an american, not an italian, not a mexican, not Chinese.


The Melting pot is being denied, and as a result, Mexico has found a way to reclaim its old territory. Not through conquest, but by flooding the border.

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Walkingfox, Are you really going to sit there, and say that white people abducted slaves? They were all sold by their own people, and you make no sense. It's called reading a REAL history book.

PS, compared to spain, british settlers really left the NA alone. All land belongs to God in the end.

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Rockpuck: "War is a natural process by which nations legally and by all means rightfully aquire land, population and resources."

Wow, I could not disagree more with you on this one, Rockpuck. Here is a couple quotes to consider:

"If it's natural to kill, why do men have to go into training to learn how?" ~Joan Baez.

Smedley Butler:
"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.
I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket."

The best money-making industry in the history of mankind.