Bizarre Objects Caught by Illinois and Missouri Game Trail Cameras

reply to post by Nohup


Ahh. thanks I understand what you are suggesting now good point.

I would like to see some evidence of that though, it would be great if there was at least some trace of webs in the images.

I will put it on the possible list

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[edit on 11-4-2008 by sherpa]

i smell uneducated redneck...

Don't know if anyone mentioned it but it looks like something I saw on UFO FILES or UFO Hunter last week. Something that looked just like that hovering outside this guys window. Anyone see that?

Ok I am warming to the idea, the light to the lower left that seems to move about and not have much relation to the central anomalie does not move beyond the stick and leaf and could be a spider moving about on a web between these two.
Which coincidently is what internos suggested at the very beginning






[edit on 11-4-2008 by sherpa]

Originally posted by sherpa
I would like to see some evidence of that though, it would be great if there was at least some trace of webs in the images.

I will put it on the possible list

I guess the fact that there are two reflections instead of just one suggests that there is more than one web there. Otherwise, what you have are two different kinds of light reflections or sources (not counting the smaller bouncing spot of light in the lower left corner) in the photos that are unrelated to each other -- or, one larger UFO floating around level with the horizon, and a smaller, similar one floating around on its own between the camera and the leaves on the ground. Not impossible, but more improbable, perhaps.

Other than that, it's a wooded area, and single spider strands can be found there. They're thin, and obviously would be hard to spot or photograph without the reflection of the flash at night.

Example of light reflecting off spider silk strands:

Here's what I think we're seeing:

You've got a two man operation here; one behind the camera and one outside the obvious flash range (maybe even a one man job if the cam can detect motion far enough away).

If you look at the picture of the camera itself, you see two circles below the flash. One is a lens, the other the PIR sensor.

The man behind the cam can easily trigger the cam undetected by reaching around and putting his hand in front of the sensor while the other hides just beyond the shadows with some sort of flash light (possibly one with a strobe feature). He waves it here, then over here, now over here...so on, so forth. Notice there is a minimum of 1 minute between photos. It would not be entirely difficult to move from point a to point b, etc.

This accounts for the round shapes, the obvious bright center point(s) of the "object" in each image, plus the light point on the ground (see the sequence photos in previous posts). Also, see the post on page one by internos - no two are exactly alike. I see in that image a depth pattern as if there were a central light source moving rapidly from side to side. In addition, this would account for the one in front of the tree; guy is out of view, light is not.

This is, of course, assuming a deliberate attempt at faking a supernatural event. It does look similar to the reflection of spider silk strands, but still strikes me that something had to trigger the cam since a spider and/or it's web could in no way do so.

reply to post by Nohup


Yes I am cool with that, it is close enough.

We know something is reflecting the flash back to the lens I am happy there are probably spiders webs there, the trigger event could be down to low battery power and besides that I am running on empty.

Nontheless it has been a valuable analysis excercise for me and I have learnt a little more about the photographic side of things.

Thanks to all involved especially MrPenny, rivos, Nohup, internos, lateapexer and anyone else I have failed to mention.

Peace

Ok well after looking at the comparitive photographs of a spider web and the piq(picture in question) I believe I can state with 90% certainty that the piq is a reflection of a spiderweb............with the triggering of the pir due to low batteries.Now I am not a photo expert or a spider/outdoor expert but that is my opinion,at least we all learnt how to distuingish natrual events from the supernatrual.

reply to post by sherpa


I hadn't thought of spider webs.....but now that you mention it. I grew up traipsing around the woods in Illinois, and now live in Missouri, where I still traipse around in the woods. Single strands of spider web, stretched across rather long open areas, is not the least uncommon. In fact, quite aggravating to get one draped across one's face while walking through the woods. Yick.

Originally posted by slatsmandu
Don't know if anyone mentioned it but it looks like something I saw on UFO FILES or UFO Hunter last week. Something that looked just like that hovering outside this guys window. Anyone see that?

I did see that episode, not that particular segment though.

However, speaking of catching strange phenomena on video at night, on the same program (maybe different episode) a woman rigged up a video cam to monitor her livestock and caught a beam of light extending downward, however not completely to the ground.

Before the beam became present you can see some deer foraging, then startled and bolting, a second before this light beam appeared. All on video. Looked very interesting!

This woman explained that her livestock were being mutilated, ducks, etc.

The event and TV program (UFO Hunters) I'm describing was part of the whole Stephanville TX UFO stuff which aired 2-3 nights ago on Discovery Channel.





[edit on 11-4-2008 by Electro38]

I kknow this is wrong, the analysis' that have been done have it refuted, but I figure I'd add in what I'd thoguht earlier.
I'd had a chance to look as this thread for a couple of minutes before work, and I thought the object was stationasry at the time (I'd glanced at it really quick.)
I was surprised how much it looked like the reflecttion from a vehicles fender and tag.
Of course, I do know better now, but the similarity is still there.
It does look a bit like insect as well, witht he mass of Rods stuff there was up till a couple of months ago, there should be some similar pics if that's the case.
EDIT: That'll teach me to not pay attention before adding my 0.0002 cents. Yeesh. Missed the bit about Spider's web.

[edit on 11-4-2008 by RuneSpider]

From a site linked by Internos there is some information about the camera used by Bob Coine and a picture of it.



Not sure if this is the same camera used in these photos.

I noticed a difference in lighting and not just the color (some images have a yellowish tint) but also how some pictures illuminate a slightly greater distance then the rest. This could be from a light source off camera maybe to the right and causing lens refractions. Drawing two lines from the upper and lower lights towards the right would connect somewhere off camera, that might show where the light source is. I have not spent much time on this idea but it does seem that in the odd color images the line angles show a closer source point maybe even an IR trigger and then as the angles change so does the light.

Looks to me like a spiderweb immediately in front of the camera, with light reflecting off of it.

As a postscript I have received an email from Bob letting me know that he has done a follow up video on youtube regarding these photo anomalies.

He includes a mention of ATS and our efforts to solve this one.

Oh My GOD.....

That was possibly the greatest video of all time.

I absolutely love the theme song at the end....

Nothing warms the heart like a local playing in cyberland...

Well, I don't agree with the spider webs, (I think it is a hoax) but I love some of you people and all your crafty ways! I wish I could simply hug most of you. Great analysis of the photos either way....

And now the tour continues! On your right, a new thread, titled
"Small point of light, at night, in the sky, might have moved, video coming, from an inside source..."

Jason

PS I know that he will read this, so...

Hey Man! Great job, you looked a little nervous. A lot of people are probably watching, and you should be proud. (Andy Warhol saw it coming)

Edit to offer inspiring praise and avoid upsetting locals with guns.

[edit on 12-4-2008 by jasonjnelson]

reply to post by sherpa

Sherpa, he has been very kind.
This thread is a good example of how a group of people may get close to the truth, each one adding his two/tree/more cents.
Some excellent constructions have been made here, i'm impressed especially with Nohup ones, but also with the others that you've already mentioned.
Wat really makes sense is to try to start an intelligent debate, no matter if a construction brings to a right or to a wrong conclusion: the most important thing is that a construction is based on facts, experiences, common sense and so on.
I personally (for example), prefer to be wrong because of a construction rather than to be right because of a stroke of luck


[edit on 12/4/2008 by internos]

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Spectacular! Thanks for posting the youtube video! That's so nice he gave ATS a plug

Hey Sherpa and Nohup did you ever think you'd become adept at analyzing deer cam footage?

With that plug get ready, we might see a mass influx of strange objects caught in deer and animal cam traps from all over the globe now lol.

But seriously, another good puzzle with great team work from all who helped....Great job Internos, Sherpa, Nohup...no need to thank me all I did was hold the peanut gallery of naysayers and non-thread readers at bay while you all did the real detective work!

yes yes yes!!!!...it is a cobweb!!! ...i know because i have witnessed the same effect in realtime!-and i thought i was seeing a ufo at first! lol...it was at my best mates wedding-we were all standing on this patio outside of the bar having a smoke(i have photo`s of the exact area-but they dont show the "sparkling cobweb")-,it was late on the night maybe 12.30-1am,dark obviously,and as i was blowing my smoke into the air and sort of reflecting on the day(i was best man!)...i noticed what i thought was strange lights in the sky and i felt a wierd feeling(mostly fear!lol) like i was witnessing a ufo right there in front of me -with other witnesses aswell!...as i was staring into space at this thingtrying to make sense of it-my gf said-what you looking at,so i pointed at it saying i think its a ufo! and i think she was surprised at first but then a slight gust of wind must of blown this single strand of cobweb so that the light or i maybe dew droplets that were causing these "light bead" effects to bend and dissapear for a second and we suddenly realised that it was a cobweb! it was a wierd moment for a minute though because we both couldnt work out what we were seeing! so there you go -i would say case closed.

Late to the party as usual ...

I think its great that everyone pulled together in trying to figure this one out without a lot of squabbling and bickering...

Also pretty cool that "Heartlands" gave ATS a nice little plug...

I had done this "animated gif" with the "gamma expanded" when I first saw the thread, but I got wrapped up in some other ATSMIX projects and forgot about it till now..

Although I like the cobweb theory... I still have a problem with what is triggering the camera to snap a frame off. If indeed "Heat" and "movement" both play a role in the camera to be triggered, I do not see what it is that could possibly do that.





[edit on 12-4-2008 by JohnnyAnonymous]

reply to post by ukvillian


Thanks for your post ukvillian.

That story does seem to lend more credence to the theory, I have to admit that phenomena is completly new to me so something new I have learned.