China 'uncovers Olympic terror plot'

China 'uncovers Olympic terror plot'

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On Thursday, Wu said the ring was plotting to kidnap athletes, foreign journalists and other visitors to the August Games. He added that police had also confiscated almost 22 pounds of explosives and eight sticks of dynamite and "jihadist" literature in the latest raids in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang.

Wu also provided further details on a second group arrested in January, alleging they had been manufacturing explosives and were plotting to attack hotels, government offices and military targets in Shanghai, Beijing and other cities.

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Despite how I feel about china, this is a dreadful plot.

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My mind just jumps straight to "Propaganda" whenever China releases stories like this. I had no idea that jihadists were so sensitive to human rights violations.

Well, let's just hope this is real and that they really did break up an attack. Good job China.

Yes, propaganda was the fist thing that popped into my head as well. But if you think about it, it wouldn’t do them any favours making a story like that up. If any thing it would put people off going to the games. Unless you are thinking that its propaganda coming form some one else to put people off going (just thought of that). In which case you could be right. If so, who would do this? Can’t see it been monks. I’m all for protesting against china. But if this is for real. Something big could happen; let’s not forget the china planes that were hijacked.

EDIT: Double post

[edit on 11-4-2008 by chinawhite]

Originally posted by Karlhungis
I had no idea that jihadists were so sensitive to human rights violations.

There is a separatist movement in Chinas Xinjiang province which apparently have links to Bin Laden according to the US. There was actually a terrorist plot averted about a month ago. They tried to hi-jack a regional airliner which was stopped as well.



[edit on 11-4-2008 by chinawhite]

Originally posted by iammonkey
But if you think about it, it wouldn’t do them any favours making a story like that up.

Well, it generates sympathy, doesn't it?

You can benefit from anything so long as you spin it right - i thought that was just common sense?

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant

Originally posted by iammonkey
But if you think about it, it wouldn’t do them any favours making a story like that up.

Well, it generates sympathy, doesn't it?

Sympathy yes granted. But I mean it wouldn’t do them favours as regard to tourist. They want people to go, this could put people off. which would be counter productive. But I see your point. To be honest I’m on the fence now. At first I thought it was genuine and there’s a chance it still is. And, it could be a case of china being the boy who cried wolf.
I’ve been keeping an eye on the news, and for a plot of this size there’s very little. Tonight I heard that most country’s think its to take the attention off the torch. Then I found this. asiasentinel.com... by overseas demonstrations and trouble in its restive western provinces, China’s leaders retreat into mass mobilization

Given the revival of a Mao-style mass mobilization in the wake of discoveries of “underground terrorist cells” in Xinjiang and more signs of unrest in Tibet and neighboring provinces, it seems unlikely that the Chinese Communist Party leadership will consider flexible measures such as opening talks with the Dalai Lama.
The Ministry of Public Security said in a press conference in Beijing Thursday that it had foiled attempts by two “terrorist” groups to disrupt the Olympics by means that include blowing up installations and kidnapping tourists and athletes in cities such as Beijing and Shanghai. Some 45 suspects were detained and 109.5 kilos of explosives seized in operations in January and April. Ministry spokesman Wu Heping claimed that one of the groups was connected to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM), which has been listed by the United Nations as a terrorist organization.
Meanwhile, more protests were staged earlier this week in Tibetan communities in Yushu, southern Qinghai Province and in Xiahe, southern Gansu. A common theme of these demonstrations, organized by local lamas, was that Beijing authorities should let the Dalai Lama return to Tibet.
In his press conference, the ministry’s Wu hinted that the campaign against anti-Beijing, anti-Olympics and other destabilizing elements had been extended to the entire nation. “We are facing a real terrorist threat,” Wu said. “All walks of life and the public should maintain a high degree of vigilance.”
Wu gave no details on what ordinary Chinese should do. However, CCP commissars and propaganda specialists have launched a national “people’s warfare crusade” to thwart the supposed threats posed by “Tibetan and Xinjiang splittists” who are said to be in cahoots with “hostile anti-China elements overseas.”
Political and diplomatic sources in Beijing say cadres in charge of organization and propaganda over the past week have disseminated the leadership’s instructions about a “people’s warfare campaign against terrorism” during ideological indoctrination sessions in party and government departments as well as at factories, schools and other units.
Party members and ordinary citizens have been asked to report suspicious characters to the police and to raise their guard against “anti-China elements at home and abroad.”
At a national meeting on “the comprehensive rectification of social law and order” held earlier this week, Politburo Standing Committee member Zhou Yongkang called on every citizen to stand firm against “destabilizing forces” in society. Zhou quoted President Hu Jintao’s recent dictum: “Maintaining stability is our unshirkable responsibility, our first responsibility.”
Zhou, a former security minister called upon the people to work closely with police to turn over suspects and thwart efforts to disrupt the Olympic Games. “We must establish a law and order prevention and control network based on the principle of joint defense by police and ththe people,” Zhou said.
Human Rights Watch China expert Nicholas Bequelin, however, has cast doubt on claims that there are concerted efforts by “terrorist” groups to target the Olympics. “Beijing has a long record of conflating dissidents, rights activists, and ordinary criminals with ‘terrorists’,” he said. Bequelin added that until the authorities could provide more detailed evidence on ETIM’s activities in Xinjiang, for example, there would be suspicions that the security ministry’s allegations were a form of political propaganda.
Other China analysts have expressed alarm over the fact that CCP authorities have been cracking down not only on “terrorists” but also on dissidents and vocal NGO organizations. Beijing has recently slapped a three-and-a-half year sentence on internationally-known dissident Hu Jia in addition to clamping down on several NGOs that are fighting for the rights of AIDS patients.
There is also evidence that the authorities have been stirring up nationalism – and xenophobia – so as to rally popular support around the “CCP leadership with comrade Hu Jintao as general secretary.” More than 250,000 Chinese have signed up on a web campaign organized by a popular portal to denounce the Western media’s alleged “distortion” of events in Tibet.
In a press conference on Wednesday, a spokesman of the CCP United Front Department disclosed that since 2002 CCP officials have held six rounds of talks with emissaries of the Dalai Lama. Given Beijing’s Mao-style mass mobilization against “state enemies,” however, the chances for the resumption of such talks are slim. This is despite the fact that several major Western leaders including French President Nicolas Sarkozy have indicated their intention to boycott the Olympics’ opening ceremony unless Beijing restarts a dialogue with the Dalai Lama.
So now, we have three reasons
1.To get sympathy
2.To divert attention from the torch
3.To make a excuse to come down harder on people
Feel free to add any more you can think of.

1.To get sympathy
2.To divert attention from the torch
3.To make a excuse to come down harder on people


*throws a random NWO agenda in, just for the fun of it*

j/k, however - i am fairly certain that they know as well as we know that the international community has got it's eye on how they are going to handle these protests, and especially the protests that turned violent.

Judging by the way that they clamped down on Tibet, i'd say they were taking quite an authoritarian stance on the matter, which isn't surprising ultimately - they're dealing with the problem in the same way that any other modern superpower would.

This is the Diabolical #4 that i'm thinking of at the minute - to RESHAPE the international community's perception of China, to CHALLENGE the stereotype that they are just a bunch of totalitarians hiding under the guise of a People's Republic.

Thereby allowing China to take it's place on the world stage as the next big thing in Geo-politics.

And you can't tell me they would'nt be interested in using the Olympics as a method of acheiving this.

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Maybe you guys are missing something. Why don't we stop with the conspiracy thinking for now and go back to the basics.


Why do terrorist do what they do?. To get attention to their grievances.

What is a biggest stage possible?. The Olympics


If you put them two together you should understand why these terrorist and Tibetans have organized a co-ordinated effort world-wide in order to get the world to see there issue.


Iammonkey. Something interesting from your link

Meanwhile, more protests were staged earlier this week in Tibetan communities in Yushu, southern Qinghai Province and in Xiahe, southern Gansu. A common theme of these demonstrations, organized by local lamas, was that Beijing authorities should let the Dalai Lama return to Tibet.

Planned. Not spontaneous. Just like Sam Adams before hand, a political leader needs to direct the movement of the people. People can only see high taxes and low living standards but you still need someone to tell them what they want

Originally posted by chinawhite
Maybe you guys are missing something. Why don't we stop with the conspiracy thinking for now and go back to the basics

because its an conspiracy site lol Seriously though, as I said I am still on the fence on this. The fact that terrorist ( in my opinion did 911) London, and bail, puts me on the side of( it could be for real) That and the Olympics from a terrorism point of view is a great venue. Not only for the amount of people, but because it will be broadcast around the world. On the other hand as I said above it could put people off going so in that since it would work against china to make it up . BUT (there’s always a but,) because china has feed so much BS to the rest of the world I think the world has got to the point where they don’t believe anything coming from china. (The boy who cried wolf )Any one I have spoken to about this news, automatically say they don’t believe it. If it comes from china. The only thing that makes it hard for me to accept 100% that it true. Is china’s track record.

Why do terrorist do what they do?. To get attention to their grievances.

What is a biggest stage possible?. The Olympics

True.

I

ammonkey. Something interesting from your link

Meanwhile, more protests were staged earlier this week in Tibetan communities in Yushu, southern Qinghai Province and in Xiahe, southern Gansu. A common theme of these demonstrations, organized by local lamas, was that Beijing authorities should let the Dalai Lama return to Tibet.

Planned. Not spontaneous. Just like Sam Adams before hand, a political leader needs to direct the movement of the people. People can only see high taxes and low living standards but you still need someone to tell them what they want

sorry not Convinced their behind the big plot. Guilty of protests? yes.

Originally posted by iammonkey
BUT (there’s always a but,) because china has feed so much BS to the rest of the world I think the world has got to the point where they don’t believe anything coming from china.

Such as?.

It seems strange but nearly all Americans use that as a excuse. Maybe its the mass media/propaganda you guys watch so much. But I love the point people make speaking on behalf of someone or "the rest of the world" .

sorry not Convinced their behind the big plot. Guilty of protests? yes.

What is the big plot in reference to?

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Such as?.

Denying violations of human rights. (and no this thread is NOT going down that road) that’s for other tread

It seems strange but nearly all Americans use that as a excuse. Maybe its the mass media/propaganda you guys watch so much. But I love the point people make speaking on behalf of someone or "the rest of the world" .

sorry not an American. you only need to look around this site to see people don’t buy what china says some are even in the u.s I’m in oz and its the same with people I have spoken to

What is the big plot in reference to?

read the link in my op

im still open Mined on this, and have not come to a decision whether i think its it true or not. But if you say that there are no human rights violations going on, you are only adding more BS. Do you not think the pile is big enough yet?

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At first when i hear about this, i thought it was just a distraction to the issues about the tourch, but then i thought why would they (china) want to release information like that. If anything it would discourage people going to the olypmic games.

I think that they really did uncover a real plot, maybe they pumped it it slightly or maybe not.

I thinks its very intersting how this develops, and if any more plots or sorts will be uncovered too.

Originally posted by sebby81

I thinks its very intersting how this develops, and if any more plots or sorts will be uncovered too.

I think there will probably be more to come in the way of plots and underhandedness at the games this year, it's an ideal target for terrorists, lots of people with the worlds attention.

Also with all the dissenting groups in China I'm sure they'll put on a show to try and make the government look bad in the eyes of the world.

Granted, the Olympics have been the target of terrorist activity in the past, so the possibility of such an event occuring again is just as likely as anything that i could come up with.

However;

No Government of the modern world has a spotless track-record of honesty when it comes to such important INTERNATIONAL events, so therefore China should not be exempt from this reasoning.

I suppose i am getting ahead of myself here - It is often quite simple to find a motive, if one looks hard enough*.





*Hard enough that your eyes begin to water and you start seeing things that aren't there.

From my research on another tread www.abovetopsecret.com...' I am inclined to think this is propaganda used by China to crack down on another population in Xinjiang that have expressed the same greivances as those in Tibet. When I look at the various crackdowns and human rights violations by the Chinese authorities I see a pattern...china can not abide the free thinking of a spiritual population. Tibetans, muslim, Falun Gong, christians. Prisons are full of dissenting minds, anyone who is critical of china...and then there are the reporters. Many foriegn reporters have been expelled, detained and imprisoned. I think China has jumped into the war on terror to conceal their actions of genocide.

There is much doubt in most of the western world as to these terrorist plots. www.cbsnews.com...

Originally posted by iammonkey
Denying violations of human rights.

When has China ever denied human rights abuses?. It has denied the extent of those abuses such as organ harvesting, torture and mass murder but it acknowledges that their are things wrong in China.

Dont confuse lack of reporting as their denial of it happening

sorry not an American.

I have mistaken you for another member of this site. I saw your name and it rang a bell in my head but I am mistaken

But if you say that there are no human rights violations going on, you are only adding more BS.

You made that statement and answered it yourself. I dont not say that nor am I suggesting it so please dont accuse my of anything

somebody is aways inclined to think...,that's called stereotype,eastern turkistan org is on american government's international terrorist list and there are many reasons why it is.