Saddam Transfered WMD's to Syria

The Joint Inteligence Report mentioned in the JP story is being presented to Congress on April 17th. We will probably know someting one way or the other then. I do believe he was moving his WMD's to Syria. I do not believe it was right before the war but in early 2002. For the most part, the trucks mentioned heading towards the border, were belongings of Iraq's wealthier families.

Originally posted by neformore
why would you be hiding the best weapons you have instead of throwing them at your enemy and taking as many of them as possible out with you?

If he used them, we would have stomped his head into the ground.

World opinion was with him. Poor little Saddam being picked on by the US after he said they didn't have WMDs. Probably thought he could work a deal where he might be given exile or something, and might need the weapons later.

The only countries involved in this sham that have WMD's are America and Israel. Iraq never had them, the war resulting from the the lie was just a smokescreen used to convince the public that the seizure of a larger control of the worlds oil supplies and the building of military outposts closer to china and russia was justified. Iran also has no WMD's but has more oil and is even closer to russia and china.

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So what's your opinion of the traffic heading into Syria at the beginning of the war? Tourists?

I'll bet that Saddam & co, realising that they were about to have the crap kicked out of them, thought it prudent to shift a few of their more valuable posessions out of the country till the dust settled. With "shock and awe" being threatened they could have been under no illusion that their properties would have been targeted and i'm sure that after so many years of dictatorship and backhand oil deals their would be more than one chest of jewels to hide.

Originally posted by Birddog26
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Saddam was one of the most brutal dictators in the world. He was also very crazy in some of his thinking. Even as troops entered Bahgdad, he still believed his forces would defeat them.

Saddam didnt believe that.We kicked his A$$ once before why would this time be any different? Little known tomost people, Saddam made an offer to the US that if they paid him (cant remember how much) he would go into exile.I agree with the MOD. If he was such a hardass and had WMD, he shoulda launched them and took a whole hell of alot of people out with him. Its what i would do

Originally posted by jerico65
If he used them, we would have stomped his head into the ground.

Oh right. I see. Like that didn't happen to Iraq anyway?

Please, think about this. The guy thought nothing of gassing the kurds in 1988. Do you really think he cared about world opinion?

Let me make this as clear as I can, and maybe then you'll see my point.

Saddam Hussein was a dead man walking. As soon as the shots were fired and the first bombs started dropping on Iraq he was either going to be killed in an attack, or executed for crimes when the west caught up with him and allowed the new Iraqi Government to try him.

Now in that situation, I would vye that if he had something - being the psychopathic dictator he was - he would have used it and genuinely not given a damn. The man had no future. End of story.

100 percent agreed. Saddam cared about no one and nothing.He really was just insane. I mean for hecks sake, his nickname by America Soldiers and Marines was Saddam Insane.He gassed the kurds.....his own people as an ethnic cleansing. If he did that to his own people, why would anyone think that he would do anything less to anyone else? Just my opinion




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Originally posted by ccantey6204
He gassed the kurds.....his own people as an ethnic cleansing.

Not quite historically accurate. The Kurds sided with the Iranians against Saddam and there is plenty of evidence that there was a lot of fighting in the area. Even nasty dictators have a reason for doing things, they don't just get up one morning and think "I'll go slaughter a few thousand natives today" before breakfast.

Also, don't forget that he did all this with the blessing of the UK and the US with whom he was doing a lot of business at the time. If it was so reprehensible then he should have been brought to account a helluva lot sooner. But, business is business and ALWAYS trumps morality. Our own leaders are as guilty as Saddam.

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Wow that is some info Ididnt know. Thanks for enlightening me. And yes you are correct, Saddam is no more guilty..or rather was no more guilty than our own government. I just wish hte presidential ballots this year and a space for 'None of the Above" If it were my choice I would return to my beautiful motherland that is England because I just know my country now is about to go down the drain.

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It's all in the spin and how things are presented. I think our leaders and the press rely on people being too lazy to think things through and research a little.
They act like everything they present us with is the honest truth and laugh at us behind our backs. Our own opinions or wishes are treated with contempt and count for nothing as long as there's political and financial capital to be made.
I've always felt that those who actively seek power (practically all career politicians) are precisely the people who should never be trusted to govern.

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An interesting fact: the hands and arms of the Hands of Victory were cast in the UK.

If Saddam shipped his WMDs out to Syria, we'd have spotted them and used it to gain support for the war. It was EXACTLY what we were looking for, and the US and UK have enough intelligence assets to know exactly what's on the suspicious vehicles (by knowing where they originated, etc.)

It seems like more wishful thinking from folks who want to keep the "Saddam had WMDs" crowd.

If Saddam had WMD they went to Syria. Syria can not be trusted that’s for sure they are always up to something. I remember back in the 80's . I don’t know how may times I inserted notes in the Syrian section in my aviation book “ Friendly or Foe” If you were an aviator you know what Im talking about. One week we would get an update of new weapons the Syrians had, mark them as a target. The next week it was another new weapon. Sometimes the country would a neutral country. The next month is was labeled a hostile country. And so on..... I never made so many updates for targets and weapons and hostile or friendly for one country in all my time flying. So they do get many weapons from all over most were sold to them from Iraq. Which in turn would get them from Russia and France. There was always reports of Iraq moving weapons into Syria all the time. They must have a very large stash of every kind of weapon made by now. My first thought when this all started was Why was no one looking at Syria for WMD when they did not find them in Iraq. Israel has to do some more soul searching in that country and so do we. Syria has been doing this for long long time...well befor We invaded Iraq. Im almost sure there are also some buried in the desert on both sides of the Syrian and Iraq Borders.

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Russia and China helped Saddam move the WMDs into Syria using 12 Locomotives provided by China. These Locomotives were shown being loaeded up and moving across the border by Satellite nearly a year in advance of the air strikes on Iraq.

The images from the Satellite were posted on Global Secuirty Org's website around that time.

I remember reading somewhere that the Russians had helped move the WMD to Seria back then. Might be a possibility because we did afterall give him plenty of time as we did the build up. It's almost as if we said "okay do what you have to do, we will be there in 6 months" - Go figure. I hope when and if the world ever finds out it will debunk all the anti americanism. Pepople are so willing to believe the bad guys these days and not the track record of the US trying to do the right thing by taking out the bad guys who threaten the world.

I think the bottom line is that it's a bummer the internal combustion engine needs to run on oil pumped out of the ground. It's unfortunate most of the oil sits under people with this type of religion. Isn't that the root of the problem? Seperation of church and state?

If he HAD them, and sent them to Syria, we'd have sattelite photos, at the VERY least.

we'd have contaminated trucks...

what we WOULDNT have,

is intellegence agencies claiming to have never found evidence of wmd proliferation,

and we wouldnt have agencies admitting to telling the president that no evidence of WMD's existed.

President bush him self has stated no WMD's existed, and the intellegence was wrong..

If there was the SLIGHTEST possibility that he sent them to syria, bush and co would be clinging to that possibilty with all their strength.

this is a beaten issue,i dont know why its continually rehashed.

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by neformore
why would you be hiding the best weapons you have instead of throwing them at your enemy and taking as many of them as possible out with you?

If he used them, we would have stomped his head into the ground.

So he hid them and we hanged him anyway.
Not much of a difference. I would have used them if I were him.

Did he plan on picking them up after the war and bringing them to his spider-hole for decorations?

- Lee

Originally posted by Birddog26
The Jerusalem Post is reporting that a joint inteligence report concerning the Sept. 6th airstrike by Israel on Syria will show that Saddam transfered WMD's to Syria.

JP News Story

If true, this report could prove to be an interesting political time bomb.

It would be interesting, but given the track-record of Israeli intel manipulation - how can we believe this report?

It was Israeli intel that fed into the UK and lead to Blair's hysteria and sexed up WMD reports; ditto for the Neocon over the pond.

Ari ben-Menasche and Victor Ostrovsky also reveal how Israel successfully used false intel to dupe various nations into taking serious action against other nations.

But I guess the neocons have been looking for an excuse to take out Syria, and WMDs is always a crowd puller.

But to justify a strike on Syria at the moment, I think you would need a mini-nuke in a major US city with some convenient evidence left planted (such as a passport found on top of a smouldering pile of rubble; or a book in Arabic about 'How to make a briefcase nuclear bomb' found in a parked car near the explosion site, along with a copy of the Koran and a map of Syria).

Duncan

Originally posted by jasonhb
I remember reading somewhere that the Russians had helped move the WMD to Seria back then. Might be a possibility because we did afterall give him plenty of time as we did the build up. It's almost as if we said "okay do what you have to do, we will be there in 6 months" - Go figure. I hope when and if the world ever finds out it will debunk all the anti americanism. Pepople are so willing to believe the bad guys these days and not the track record of the US trying to do the right thing by taking out the bad guys who threaten the world.

LOL, the rest of the world thinks the US-Israeli alliance ARE the bad guys. They prop up dictatorships all over the world so that Americans can grow fat and lazy with low oil and food prices; they demand free trade while practicising protectionism; they invade countries with impunity and use their media dominance to sell it so that they are the 'good guys' riding in to save the world etc.

Sure, the USA helped save the world in WWII, but that was AFTER the USA helped build up Germany from behind the scenes.

The old tactic of manufacturing your own enemy is now standard operating procedure. They ONLY bad guys on the world today, were created by the USA-Israel-UK.

I love the American people, but dude, the Average American HAS NO IDEA what its government is doing to other countries, and more importantly, what American corporations are doing to other countries. America is hated for good reason - the sad part is that this hatred is directed at the ordinary joe-sixpack, and not the corporate-govt sector.

Duncan