Corporations and You!

I'd also like to point out that the NWO does not revolve around the US, which we have been concentrating on. Other countries are just as beholden to big corporations or interests as we are, and will play an active role in the eventual takeover by the forces that will form the NWO.
And I just read the thread name again, and have hit myself firmly in the rump. But since we branch out so much anyway, I say we at least give Britain a go.

I do wonder at how the fallout from Enron affected the administration's policies on corporate payouts. I'm not sure that there has been any documented evidence

enron was a big deal here, im in houston. it was crazy, we knew people going to jail and shtuff. in the news ALOT logner than the rest of the countries news, and alot earlier too!

it was all around...mando lame.

you want corporate chucks thrown out the window? you wanna blow em up in smoke? on word: infiltration!

the zine about going places you arent supposed to go.

Originally posted by Dreamstone
I'd also like to point out that the NWO does not revolve around the US, which we have been concentrating on. Other countries are just as beholden to big corporations or interests as we are, and will play an active role in the eventual takeover by the forces that will form the NWO.
And I just read the thread name again, and have hit myself firmly in the rump. But since we branch out so much anyway, I say we at least give Britain a go.

I do wonder at how the fallout from Enron affected the administration's policies on corporate payouts. I'm not sure that there has been any documented evidence

Yeah I understand your concern but I adressed this earlier when I attack multi national corps , the thread is about threats to our country, not why the NWO revolves around America, Id say China is a huge part of the take over plan

This time the document is the ECONOMIC INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION DIRECTED AGAINST THE UNITED STATES

Heres the link and a small taste of the truth:

www.fas.org...

According to the FBI, research and development activities engaged in developing pharmaceutical and medical technologies, computer software development, chemical processes, electronic banking, optics, packaging, and telecommunications have been heavily targeted by foreign intelligence services and corporate intelligence activities. These activities have also targeted information concerning corporate negotiating positions, cost and price structures, marketing plans, contract bids, customer lists, and new products and services. The Department of Energy's national laboratories have also been heavily targeted by foreign collectors because of their emphasis on developing advanced prototype technologies.

Who do you think are the backers of these attacks? The NWO perhaps....

Originally posted by Scat
enron was a big deal here, im in houston. it was crazy, we knew people going to jail and shtuff. in the news ALOT logner than the rest of the countries news, and alot earlier too!

it was all around...mando lame.

you want corporate chucks thrown out the window? you wanna blow em up in smoke? on word: infiltration!

the zine about going places you arent supposed to go.

Scat, although I support infiltration I dont see it as a positive response to a power capable of buying and selling your life in the blink of an eye, Im not implying that the next infiltration job you will do will result in your death but as these multinationals gain more and more power, their defense of their property will become even more paranoid and extreme.

Seretech. Always rememebr seretech.

One day people will push too hard, and corporatiosn will eb legally given the right to push back with lethal force. Then, we're all screwed. Rememebr that, Scat.

DE

thats the only problem.

and thats why i say, work em from the inside.

article-

operatives dressed in cinema uniforms gave out 200 free passes to Natural Born Killers at a corporate chain movie theater in CHicago, Illinois. When a crowd, consisting of euqla parts of everything-for-free actionists and unsuspecting cinematophile coupon-cluthcers, showed up expecting to get into the movie for free, the managers first barred the doors and emanded to know who was responsible for the prank. But when it became clear that the crowd thought the theater management was f****** with them, and began to get hostile, the managers realized the smartest thing they could do for their business would be to accept the coupns and let everyone in. Thus a core of impovershed workers got to see a movie for free and radicalized a couple hundred civilians in the process.

nice

I find it interesting that my service provider (comcast) is just a puppet of ATT as evidenced by this Visual Route print out.

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| Hop | %Loss | IP Address | Node Name | Location | Tzone | ms | Graph | Network |
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| 0 | | Private Personel| Private | ... | | | | (private use) |
| 1 | | Private Personel | - | ... | | 0 | x | (private use) |
| 2 | | 67.163.15.1 | - | ... | | 11 | x- | Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. ILLINOIS-2 |
| 3 | | 68.87.228.97 | - | | | 26 | --x-- | 68.87.228.0 |
| 4 | | 68.87.229.81 | - | ... | | 13 | x------ | Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. JUMPSTART-2 |
| 5 | | 68.87.229.77 | - | ... | | 15 | -x-- | Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. JUMPSTART-2 |
| 6 | | 12.244.72.242 | - | ... | | 14 | -x-- | Comcast Corporation COMCASTI-12-244-0-0 |
| 7 | | 12.123.5.78 | - | ... | | 12 | x--- | AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 |
| 8 | | 12.122.11.37 | - | ... | | 16 | -x--- | AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 |
| 9 | | 12.122.10.1 | - | | | 32 | x--- | 12.122.10.0 |
| 10 | | 12.122.11.2 | - | ... | | 43 | --x--- | AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 |
| 11 | | 12.123.1.129 | - | ... | | 38 | -x-- | AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 |
| 12 | | 12.122.255.162 | - | ... | | 35 | -x--- | AT&T Worldnet Services ATTSVI-12-122-0-0 |
| 13 | | 63.240.64.98 | - | ... | | 34 | x | CERFnet CERFNET-BLK-5 |
| 14 | | 192.168.201.12 | - | ... | | 31 | x | (private use) |
| 15 | | 63.240.76.72 | comcast.net | - | | 31 | x | Project Redwood ISP |
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Roundtrip time to comcast.net, average = 31ms, min = 31ms, max = 31ms -- Mar 8, 2004 4:05:25 PM

Notice how the Comcast routing turns into ATT routing until finally coming to rest at a "Project Redwood ISP". What is this Project Redwood, sounds suspicous to me.


[Edited on 8-3-2004 by Agent47]

sorry, not good at reading graphs or routers. could you explain this?

and yeah, project redwood seems quite peculiar......

Originally posted by Scat
sorry, not good at reading graphs or routers. could you explain this?

and yeah, project redwood seems quite peculiar......

Well there is a key up top but to keep it simple I will explain it like this, on the left are the number of Hops it took to get from the search criteria I entered until the end of the line, the numbers are I.P adresses and the names are hosts, wait Im not helping, you might as well have someone a bit more learned on the subject explain it to you, but the bestI can tell you is all these IPs lead back to one thing, the "Project Redwood ISP" which I dont believe is a company, but it is something.

so the hosts are the ones putting your call through?

Originally posted by Scat
so the hosts are the ones putting your call through?

Actually its the location, but yes, that traces from my IP, which I blacked out for privacy to the distribution which is the mysterious Project Redwood, but what initially caught my eye was how Comcast became just a subsidiary to ATT, interesting if you remember that the SBC service in my area was bought by Comcast, or wait I think it was the other way around, in either case its just more evidence of interlocking directories.

So does anyone know what in the world this Project Redwood ISP is? Is it something benign or something we dont know about?

I haven't read the whole thread, but enough to make my mind go into overdrive. Agent47 invited me to take a look and see what I thought. He doesn't know what he, I'm assuming he from the little in the profile I could gather, is asking

First of all I think our main problem is with systems and human nature. There was a comment on the the corporations and what to do. This person said the were conservative, because they were sounding like a socialist. I agree. I am conservative, but can sound like a socialst sometimes too. Some things can be changed, like how corporations operate. But how to do this? Some can't, human nature is one. As I said IMO that it boils down to systems and human nature.

Systems are how we do things either individually or collectivly. Several comments were made to the effect of some people believe that getting good grades and all that junk, moving on to college gets you a good, secure job. BS. Security is an illusion. I work for a big corp. They are competiters of Wal-Mart and the just emerged from Chapter 11. Guess Who? I have survived 2 large layoffs and since I am an IT type, look on the job market lanscape and see the surface of the moon. There was a time that I could just about name my salary and BTW I DON'T have a college degree. I make about 70K plus bennies. This is the last corporation I will probably work for. Why? No degree and the pay has gone down, way down. I'm not slamming college, my daughter is in and my son will be going soon, but what makes companies think I can't do as good a job or better than someone who is just entering the field? Don't know. I have fought this thinking since I entered the IT field in 1996.

Another goofy a$$ system that is working against me is the school education system. My son who is 16 is brilliant. School is boring and a 4.0 is easy. He is in AP classes and takes 12th grade math and science classes. Well we want to send him to college next year. Skip 11th and 12th grade. He can do it no problem and I know several kids who have done that. Well Many colleges won't except a kid without a HS diploma or GED. OK so we will get his GED and send him. Can't take the GED until he's 18. Well his parents will find a hole in the system and get him in. I know of a few already and am looking into them. BTW he has gone to Public, Private, Home and Charter schools. Yes we home schooled, and it was fun. He wanted more hands on labs and things in High School so he is at a Charter now, but it still isn't a challenge.

Some of these things are set up for a reason, but there are always exceptions to the rules. These systems don't accomadate the exceptions. They wan't uniformity and not some independent thinkers. Sure they try to get us to think out of the box at work, but who really does? Those who do this typically are labeled as excentric or weird. This brings me to human nature.

What is it about us humans that we want it easy. The path of least resistance. How We all want our "Bread and Circus's" or something for nothing and our entertainment. How easy would it of been for me to put my kids into Public School and coasted. Easy. But there are other issues that I won't go into here that made us(wife and I) choose a different path. Heck of alot more work. Why didn't I go to college? I did, but traditional learning isn't for me and I dropped out. I have an MCSE, but didn't take a single class. Self study and OJT got me through the tests. I also went into the Army

As for "Bread and Circus's" I too love my entertainment and am not criticizing. Who are the folks who make lots of money? Professional Atheletes, TV/Movie stars, best selling authors, Musiacians. The list can go on. Game writers are a different class, but many of them make a boat loads of money too. Where does the most reward come from? Something given you or something you have worked for or even suffered for? I mentioned the Army. The pay was horrible, but that had to be one of my most satisfying acheivments. I went through basic in the mid 80's and it wasn't as easy as it is today, but easier than what Viet Nam era went through. It seems that in order to attract the talent they have to soften up the training. I think that it may get people killed, but who am I? The things in my life I value have been things that really challenged me, and I hated some of it when I was doing it. I asked myself everyday, "Why did I join the Army" but kept at it. Most folks won't do this stuff though. They want it all NOW! The government needs to fix this and that or provide for this. When you (generalization here) want this then you give up a little piece of your true freedom for this. With freedom comes great responsibility. I forget who said that, but we don't want responsabilty anymore, so our freedoms are eroding. Oh we think we do, but not really, because it takes effort. Who cares about what they vote on in Congress, as long as I don't miss "Friends" or in my case "Survivor" Like I said I am somewhat in the same boat, but I guess my difference is that I realise the problem, many or most don't. We are like a bunch of sheep. People + Sheep = Sheople/Sheeple Bahhhh bahhhhh bahhhh. Feed us and keep us safe, but how dare you try to keep us from wandering off.

Someone also mention Private Security. Ironic that here too I have some experince. Used to be the top three security companies in the country where Pinkerton, Burns and Wackenhut. Well Pinkerton bought Burns and a european company bought Pinkerton. It's now called Securitas. So Securitas is #1 huge and a distant second is Wackenhut. Wackenhut has it's fingers ina whole bunch of pies. www.wsihq.com... Check out the picture with the helicopter. That isn't me, but it could of been. That is a Special Response Team (SRT) member exiting a Messerschmitt BK-117 in front of a Nuclear Weapons Material Reactor. (decommisioned) I did this kind of thing from 1989 to 1995 at the very place this picture was taken. The Gov't contracts with them to provide security for many places. They have Top Secret clearances and are VERY WELL trained and armed. Usama won't get into that place and back out without having a Battalion sized element and even then he may not When people are worried about reactors they are talking commercial power reactors, not these things. Anyway, private security can and is a quazi arm of the gov't. My cousin is working for a "security" company and is over seas now somewhere doing "his thing" (I hope he wasn't in that plane in Zimbabwe) If things go sour, well the company goes bankrupt and reform under a different name.

Sorry about the jump in subjects. I wanted to cover seveal things and maybe should of put it in differnt posts, but hanks for reading this far.

[Edited on 9-3-2004 by Publius]

Originally posted by Publius
He doesn't know what he, I'm assuming he from the little in the profile I could gather, is asking

but hanks for reading this far.

[Edited on 9-3-2004 by Publius]

Wait are you saying I dont know what Im talking about? And also excellent post I might add.

Anyways, it seems project red wood sounds a little conspiratorial if you read the article on this link.

Link

Has anyone here lost a job to outsourcing here on the boards? Care to share your story, its ok if you have to omit the company name..

Nice little excerpt from this report on what the future may hold, courtesy of FAS.

We need to turn to space as an essential program to support our economic competitiveness and to help our assessment of ways to reverse the negative trends in the environment. We should adopt an inter- national space cooperation strategy.... It would encourage closer bonds between nations, reduce cost and development time."
Edward C. "Pete" Aldridge,
President and CEO, Aerospace Corporation

The global economy is relying more on information and information processing.
Other nations, and possibly multi-national corporations, will challenge the United States.
The global economy will continue to become more interdependent. Economic alliances, as well as the growth and influence of multi-national corporations, will blur security agreements.
The gap between "have" and "have not" nations will widen-creating regional unrest.

Link

[Edited on 9-3-2004 by Agent47]

Wait are you saying I dont know what Im talking about?

Not at all. I was saying that you may be sorry you asked me to comment, because of my blather I appreciate your posative feedback though I re-read my post and realized I hadn't said anything pertanent to the topic. O'boy! I will work something up and post it though. I will try to be more succinct with that though.

[Edited on 10-3-2004 by Publius]

Let's get this party started... I'd like to start by calling the attention of participants of this thread to this story Money.cnn.com "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Bonuses totaling more than $10 million were paid out to five Kraft Foods Inc. executives at the end of 2003, even as the giant food maker made plans to lay off thousands of workers." Please read the entire story, then let's review your comments before I offer mine. [Edited on 10-3-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

If I were the US Government I would encourage outsourcing beyond all belief and here is why.

1. What better way to spy on your enemys?
2. Use corporations to spread technology to every desktop in the world and then use that technology against the enemy.
3. Get every country in the world to base it's communications on technology that our country created and then in the time of war, shut it down, leave the enemy blind and shoot them like fish in a barrel.

Want to bring China to it's knees? Get them all plugged in and then extort money from them, bleed them to death slowly. What would happen if the megacorps decided to remove all of the jobs after the people of China became so dependent on them for a living? The answer, look at the United States today.

The real enemy is not the government but the megacorps. The funny thing is that the megacorps really won't have power once they cross the line to far and the government reals them in. I am sure megacorps could hire a few thousand soldiers but I am more sure China could amass a couple hundred million and kill any army put forth by a stupid corporation. What is really at stake is privacy and freedom, it's time to quit doing business with megacorps and kill them with the very source that feeds them, money!