Jet engine sim for testing 9/11 planes

Originally posted by HLR53K
but I'm kind of getting tired of seeing the same canned response to the specific questions we ask him. No real response to address our questions to him, just a blanket statement that

As i am getting tired of the same canned, repeated media answers with no research done.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
This concept of 'Serial Numbers' seems to be a red herring, IMO. The DFDR and CVR have already been identified as belonging to the correct airframe, the airframe that was AAL 77.

Well if you would do research you would see the FAAs and FBIs refusal to release the serial numebrs to verify the parts to any of the 9/11 planes.

As for the DFSR and CVR.

1. AA77s DVDR just happened to be found right at the opening into the Pentagon. Also it disagrees with the official media story as far as flight path.

2. The CVR was reported not readable (which rarely happens)

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Well, the DVDR and CVR are located in the tail section, considered to be the lest likely to be damaged in an accident.

Somewhere else, in another thread?? Someone posted a (likely false) 'report' that the DFDR was found under one of the Cockpit seats. I think the description was a 'mangled, black box' was near one of the cockpit seats. This, from a firefighter/early responder, not an accident investigator.....and, of course, in a real airplane, there are dozens of these 'black boxes'....the electronic components that comprise the NAV/COMs, the VOR/ILS receivers, the three ADCs, the two FMCs, the three IRSs, etc, that just happen to be located in the E/E compartment, which just happens to be located right below the Flight Deck, which just happens to be where the Pilots seats are located!!!!


BTW....remember the APU? It's the 'Little Engine in the Back'.....

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Well, the DVDR and CVR are located in the tail section, considered to be the lest likely to be damaged in an accident.

Somewhere else, in another thread?? Someone posted a (likely false) 'report' that the DFDR was found under one of the Cockpit seats. I think the description was a 'mangled, black box' was near one of the cockpit seats. This, from a firefighter/early responder, not an accident investigator.....and, of course, in a real airplane, there are dozens of these 'black boxes'....

1. Yes i know where the black boxes are. They are put in tht tail for a purpose, kind of strange they found the boxes but no tail section.

2. As far as i know some first responders do know or are told to look out for black boxes and told what they look like and whats writtin on them.

Most firefighters that have been around aviation accidents know what the black boxes are and what they look like.

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OK....true, First Responders, including FireFighters, are briefed....but, they aren't pilots. Nor are they accident investigators. That is not in their Mission Statement...they try to save lives, and mitigate building damage, but first and foremost, save lives, if possible.

Also, the two Recorders, when I say they're in the 'tail', I don't mean they are physically located in the Vertical Fin!!!!

I should, more correctly have said, they are located in the lower part of the aft fuselage. This would be the area AFT of the aft-most cargo area (Bin 5).

Originally posted by weedwhacker
OK....true, First Responders, including FireFighters, are briefed....but, they aren't pilots. Nor are they accident investigators. That is not in their Mission Statement...they try to save lives, and mitigate building damage, but first and foremost, save lives, if possible.
(Bin 5).

But they also usually have responders that are briefed to search for boxes and important parts or pieces, documents.

So did they ever find any part of the tail or debris from the tail or just the boxes?

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Actually, ULTIMA....you really raised a good question, there. I either mentioned it here, or on another 9/11 thread....where is the APU???

Does anyome have an answer for that? Obviously, the vertical fin and horizontal stab would be totally disintegrated, but the APU is a small jet engine. ALSO, there should be some hydraulic control surface actuators (or tiny pieces of them) somewhere.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Does anyome have an answer for that? Obviously, the vertical fin and horizontal stab would be totally disintegrated, but the APU is a small jet engine. ALSO, there should be some hydraulic control surface actuators (or tiny pieces of them) somewhere.

And do not forget the Tungsten counterweights.

Is there anything recognisable in this pic of some collected heavy components?

Originally posted by Pilgrum
Is there anything recognisable in this pic of some collected heavy components?

Still looks like you might be able to get numbers off some of those parts.

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I believe you misunderstood my post

I was not saying the components are beyond recognition, just asking whether any expert viewers can recognise anything specific in that pile like APU parts etc.

The section of undercarriage in the foreground may be familiar to someone with experience in 757s also. hmmm those wheels again.

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The only object I can recognize at first is at the top of the pile, against the wall. It looks like stator blades.

There are several bits of turbine structure in there that are still recognizable as well as the stator blades.

Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
www.earth-citizens.net...

Please don’t send me to a site full of truthers twaddle as some type of proof of anything; truthers sites are inherently full of mistakes. I have walked on foot behind aircraft running taxi throttle while marshalling them. You don’t need to explain how jet blast works to me. Unless you a few feet away from the tail, its not going to do anything to you. You have a much greater chance of getting hurt by FOD that it kicked up off the ramp and threw into your eye.

I agree.Ive noticed the pattern of websites that talk about proof yet none of these sites can be confirmed as valid.The whole 9/11 truth org is filled with such sites claiming truth and the people who support them get venomous when you ask questions.Sort of hypocritical if you ask me.Freedom to question and Freedom itself is the right of all sentient beings.

Originally posted by Pilgrum
hmmm those wheels again.

You mean the type of wheels that can fit more then just a 757?

Originally posted by Justice11
I agree.Ive noticed the pattern of websites that talk about proof yet none of these sites can be confirmed as valid..

You mean just like the sites that believers use that that cannot be validated either?

I also can post professional and government research sites that are confirmed as valid.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
You mean the type of wheels that can fit more then just a 757?

Indeed

We know they fit 757s but no-one has been able to list the other planes they fit with suitable proof to clear it up. So is that an unfounded opinion or can you actually provide details of the make/models those specific wheels fit?

No need to list variants of Boeing 757s of course.

Originally posted by Pilgrum
[We know they fit 757s but no-one has been able to list the other planes they fit with suitable proof to clear it up.

Its easy to look up what planes also use that type of wheel, but then i keep forgetting it seems hard for you guys to do research.

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Well at least we've dispelled, with your actual support, the myth that the wheel couldn't come from a 757 and there's also the picture of AA77 taken shortly prior to 9/11 with those exact wheels on it as additional support.

Veering back toward the actual topic re jet blast:
Have you had a chance to go over my calcs relating to the angle of the blast in relation to the vehicles that felt the disturbance?

Also on the DFDR data: what problems apart from those we've looked at do you think exist? Please don't direct me to a conspiracy site - if you firmly believe there's a problem just say exactly what it is and why and I'll check it out to see if I agree.

Originally posted by Pilgrum
Well at least we've dispelled, with your actual support, the myth that the wheel couldn't come from a 757 and there's also the picture of AA77 taken shortly prior to 9/11 with those exact wheels on it as additional support.

Why are you so afraid to do research and find out what other planes use the same type of wheel as the 757?