I got a question about Noah and the flood.

When it started raining and Noah had all the animals on board. God open up the heavens and the fountains of the Earth. It rained 40 days and forty nights until all was consummed or covered by water. After the 40th day it stoped raining and the waters receeded.
Now as I see it everthing is covered in water, even the tallest mountains. Thats a heck of a lot of water, RIGHT.
RECEEDED TO WHERE????

Very good question...I never even thought about it before....

Back into the earth....

There was an excellent article from New Scinetist that showed that there is enough water IN the earth to cover the entire earth to ???? meters depth. I had a link to it but lost it when my site went down...

news.nationalgeographic.com...


The experiments replicated the environment and conditions deep in the Earth.

Based on what they witnessed in their lab, the researchers concluded that more water probably exists deep within the Earth than is present on Earth's surface�as much as five times more.

"Our results suggest that the lower mantle can potentially store considerable amounts of water," said Motohiko Murakami of the Tokyo Institute of Technology, where the experiments were conducted.

"The presence of water in the crystal structure of [deep-Earth] minerals would be expected to soften the minerals and change their flow behavior," he added. That, in turn, could affect how the innards of the planet mix and shift over time, and could indirectly affect conditions and forces near the surface, such as plate tectonics.

A Waveless Waterworld

Earth's oceans make up just 0.02 percent of the planet's total mass. This means the vast lower mantle could contain many times more water than floats on the planet's surface.

The Japanese experiments don't guarantee that that's the case, of course, because the researchers haven't actually measured the mantle. No one is ever likely to get a direct sample of material from the fiery mantle itself. But by simulating mantle-like conditions in the lab, Murakami and his colleagues have demonstrated that a water-rich inner Earth is plausible.


www.titech.ac.jp...

Well, it's a legend.

Noah's flood works out just fine if you view it as a local flood. If you try to make it out to be a global flood, you run into a lot of questions:

Where did the water come from (remember, it must have covered Mt. Everest. That means the earth was flooded to a depth ABOVE where commercial jet airline traffic flies today)?

When we send humans to that height, oxygen deprivation sets in and they faint. The Ark wasn't designed for space travel.

If the waters had risen that high, it would have pushed Earth's atmosphere into space and most of it would have escaped the gravitational field of Earth and gone floating off to the stars.

And where DID 2-3 miles of water go? It's not under the crust. It's not in the hydrologic cycle.

Myth, relating events of a local flood.

Noah And The Ark
Not too long ago, explorers claimed that they had found Noah's ark atop Mount Ararat in Turkey. Yet, two years ago, what some believe to be Noah's ark was found not on Mount Ararat but on a remote site about 20 miles away, near the border of Turkey and Iran. According to the American and Middle Eastern researchers who have been to the location, the remote site contains a buried, shiplike object, resting at an altitude of 7546 ft. Some 558 ft. long and 148 ft. wide, the object conforms almost exactly to the 300 x 50-cubit boat that, according to the Bible, God told Noah to build.

On the surrounding terrain, biblical archeologist Ron Wyatt has identified huge stones with holes carved at one end. Researchers believe that these are "drogue-stones," which in ancient times were dragged behind ships to stabilize them. Images returned by ground-penetrating radar indicate unusual levels of iron-oxide distribution, suggesting metal fittings. Salih Bayraktutan, head of geology at Turkey's Ataturk University, estimates the age of the "vessel" at more than 100,000 years. "It is a man-made structure and, for sure, it is Noah's ark," Bayraktutan said at the time of discovery.

David Fasold, an American shipwreck specialist with no religious affiliation, has led the investigation. He says subsurface radar surveys of the site have yielded good results. The radar imagery at about 82 ft. down from the stern is so clear that Fasold could count the floorboards between the walls. Fasold believes the team has found the fossilized remains of the upper deck and that the original reed substructure has disappeared.

As might be expected, their findings have infuriated Christian ark-hunters who are convinced the ark is on Mount Ararat. Fasold has fanned the flames further by claiming the great flood is unrelated to the final resting place of the ark. "[It could have been] an astronomical event causing a tectonic upheaval or a tidal bore causing gravitational pull in the ocean waters that forced the boat into the mountains," he says. Some of the geophysicists and geologists on Fasold's team are waiting until excavation and carbon-dating are complete before they venture an opinion.

You're wrong, Byrd, it's not a myth. I'm sorry you choose not to believe.

Toltec, you're good about dragging up and pasting interesting posts (sometimes too long for reading and discussion, though) but often times you don't give your opinion.
Well, I'm callin' you out on this one, Mister.
(What did the dog on crutches say when he busted into the saloon? "I'm lookin' for the man who shot my Paw!")

What is your opinion of the alleged boats? I don't think either are the Ark, and I don't think the Ark is to be found. Where do you stand?

Toltec,

Don't you think it's odd that this 100,000+ year old boat has metal fittings? Back then...We were still in the stone age. Who made that boat again?

Hey Thomas...

Specifically the American Indians, Japanese as well as the Chinese speak of events akin in every way to what are called pole shifts. Mankind has survived at least 2 too as many as 20 of these phenomenons. The reason that Noah�s ark can have metal fittings is because 100,000 Years ago the technology existed. Pole shifts generate massive electrical discharges and people who are not properly insulated against the effect do survive. But have absolutely no memory of even having the ability to produce fire.

The stories are actually very detailed and as relevant to my upbringing as the KJV was probably relevant to yours. Its very elaborate and even present�s issues of how social systems were reestablished. As well as the arrival of a founder who our culture assigned no name
(Which is a big compliment). The Egyptians did call him Thoth and Greeks called him Gemini.

If you would like Thomas I can present the long version at this site but the above does represent what can be called the gist of the legend.

In fact one of the more interesting aspects to this is that there are people in Indian culture whose ancestors have never suffered the effects of a pole shift in the sense they lost information. The Japanese make the same claim and it is alleged that members of such families have knowledge, which begins when man was first on Earth (going back as much as a million years ago).

James to further elaborate perhaps some were in the stone age, perhaps others were not.

PS: Waasant me who shot your Paw now mosie on out of here before I call the pound




[Edited on 25-12-2002 by Toltec]

Toltec,

"James to further elaborate perhaps some were in the stone age, perhaps others were not."

100,000 year's ago??? I'm pretty sure we were still in the stone age then... Modern civilization is roughly 6,000 year's old. It was during then, that metal working was discovered.

"The reason that Noah��s ark can have metal fittings is because 100,000 Years ago the technology existed."

Proof?

"Pole shifts generate massive electrical discharges and people who are not properly insulated against the effect do survive. But have absolutely no memory of even having the ability to produce fire."

Proof?

wwwesterni.unibg.it...

By Peter P.

Since 1830, the terrestrial magnetic field has been decreasing in strength. As the field weakens, so does what many believe is the natural navigatory force for many living creatures

Much talk has revolved around coming pole shifts on Earth, either physical or magnetic. Does the evidence bear out such an event happening?

An 180-degree physical inversion of the planet's solid crust around the molten core would be the ultimate cataclysmic "Earth change". However, more than a few experts find this scenario most likely only if another planetary body - such as a 'rogue planet' or similar cosmic anomaly - passed in close proximity to the Earth, providing enough torque for such an event to occur.

A reversal of the magnetic poles is much more likely, however, as it's happened before. Seen in the paleomagnetic record, locked into rocks of the ocean floor and in some lava flows, scientists think the time between reversals on the Earth falls somewhere between every 100,000 to 25 million years, with the reversal itself taking about 5,000 years.

Not that just the reversal takes that long, mind you, and therein lies the crux of the problem. No, during much of that time, the geomagnetic field strength decreases - which counts as part of the 'reversal' process. According to laboratory analysis of thermorenanent magnetization carried by clay baked in ancient times, the average global field intensity in any given region went through a broad maximum about 2,000 years ago. [2] After reaching a maximum, it then began its long descent.

NASA's Magnetic Field Satellite concurs, confirming a trend that goes back to at least 1830; namely, that the terrestrial magnetic field is decreasing in strength. At a rate measured by the satellite, the Earth's field will hit 'zero' in about 1,200 years. [3] That, at least, is the estimate.

One contributing factor to the decrease, and eventual reversal, may be intensifying core spots within the inner core that are magnetized in a sense opposite of the main field [4]; while competing energy sources, such as heat loss at the mantle-core boundary (itself possibly contributing to climate change) and growth of the inner core may also be contributing factors. [5]

As the field reaches 'zero', or close to it (some estimate the magnetic field will be at 20% of normal during a reversal), complete with periods of rapid and radical changes [6], something much more threatening than the upcoming reversal will occur.

First, as the field weakens, so does what many believe is the natural navigatory force for many living creatures. Studies have shown that whales, dolphins, birds and even mollusks and mice use the geomagnetic field as a guiding device. Some, like mice, use it as a directional guide [7]; while cetaceans use the total geomagnetic field as a map, not for directional information, as we would use a compass, but by navigating the contours of magnetic "hills and valleys" in a field that is anything but uniform.(8)

Without it, whales and dolphins would beach in record numbers, birds and other creatures would be 'lost', unable to find their home. The effect of a magnetic reversal on humans is less known. Confusion might reign, and some theorize a complete 'reboot' of the human mind - the brain IS known to contain magnetite - might occur. However, as the field decreases (before a 'reversal'), one could surmise what may happen by looking at a recent experiment by Dr. Valerie Hunt. Hunt had a room constructed in which the magnetic field intensity could be varied. The following, as spelled out in her book, ''Infinite Mind'', was observed:

When "the magnetism was decreased, gross incoordination occurred. The entire neurological integrating mechanism was thrown off. Subjects could not balance their bodies; they had difficulty touching finger to nose or performing simple coordinated movements. They lost kinesthetic awareness."

Could our bodies adjust as a much more gradual, long-term but worldwide decrease in the magnetic field intensity occurred? That may be doubtful, and if so then at what point near the conclusion of this pre-reversal descent would such incoordination sweep over the human race?

Not that it would matter for long. Now, as the Earth and its magnetosphere plows through the solar wind, the charged particles are diverted around a 'shell' created by the geomagnetic field. Without that field, high-energy particles - including dangerous gamma-, and X-rays - would penetrate completely, to the surface. If television or radio were still in use at that point in the future, transmissions would become impossible. Electric power grids would be off-line indefinitely.

And the effects on organic matter?

Gamma rays, because they are so penetrating, can have severe effects on the cells of humans and other animals. As with cosmic rays, which also bombard the Earth at all times, gamma rays are known as ionizing radiation, which can cause a host of problems from cell death to genetic mutations (leading to cancer), in any living thing.

As was said before, the magnetic pole reversal itself would be the least of the worries, as it's unlikely future generations would survive long enough to see it.

Several Cities have been found underwater, its very possible these cites are underwater. Because prior to an event as described above, the area in which they were constructed was dry land. Specifically these cites can be located off the Japanese coast and in the Caribbean.

"In a polar region there is a continual deposition of ice, which is not symmetrically distributed about the pole. The earth's rotation acts on these unsymmetrically deposited masses [of ice], and produces centrifugal momentum that is transmitted to the rigid crust of the earth. The constantly increasing centrifugal momentum produced in this way will, when it has reached a certain point, produce a movement of the Earth's crust over the rest of the Earth's body, and this will displace the polar regions toward the equator. "

Albert Einstein quote: from The Path of the Pole by Charles Hapgood

See link......

Flood Myths

Toltec,

"When "the magnetism was decreased, gross incoordination occurred. The entire neurological integrating mechanism was thrown off. Subjects could not balance their bodies; they had difficulty touching finger to nose or performing simple coordinated movements. They lost kinesthetic awareness.""

And yet, as our own astronout's(SP?) will tell you, there is no adverse affect's on the human mind when traveling OUTSIDE earth's geomagnetic field. Let's think for a second... IF, while on earth, we go through a pole shift (which I agree do occur...), and we lose certain abilities, blah, blah, blah... Why is it, people who travel outside earth's goemagnetic field, don't experiance this at all? What would happen if we sent man to mar's with a completley different geomagnetic field altogether? Wouldn't this prove dangerous and way too risky? Hell...even going to the moon would mean the same thing. So maybe trips to the moon were staged after all?

"However, as the field decreases (before a 'reversal'), one could surmise what may happen by looking at a recent experiment by Dr. Valerie Hunt. Hunt had a room constructed in which the magnetic field intensity could be varied. The following, as spelled out in her book, ''Infinite Mind'', was observed:"

Me thinks, she did it wrong...considering the above... And not to mention, the field's generated are more than likley different than those the earth generate's. Still, there is no proof of memory loss durring a pole reversal....

"Several Cities have been found underwater, its very possible these cites are underwater. Because prior to an event as described above, the area in which they were constructed was dry land. Specifically these cites can be located off the Japanese coast and in the Caribbean."

I've read about both site's....

"See link......

Flood Myths"

I already knew about the various flood myth's around the world. I have noticed that a very important part of most flood stories is missing...

Ok James consider that when we talk about an EM field which results from a pole shift the amount of electrical output is massive. Consider electroshock therapy in which the main benefit is to cause the person to forget whatever it is that is causing them to be depressed (this being the main reason Electro-shock therapy is applied that is as a treatment for major depression).

A human heart recharges and discharges electricity at about a rate of every tenth of a second. If per chance a person is hit by lightning or touches and electrified fence, at the instant their heart is recharging they do not die. But if the heart is discharging they will not survive. The person who survives has memory problems often times for a substantial period of time.

I have an Uncle who worked in an electrical plant once while working on some equipment he was hit
with a substantial amount of electricity. It was so much that when the current left his body took off one of his big toes. He spent about 3 or 4 years with problems related to short and long term memory.

Toltec,

"Ok James consider that when we talk about an EM field which results from a pole shift the amount of electrical output is massive."

Ok, now, is there any proof of a pole shift actually causing memory loss? If not, then how are we to know, that this is what happen's?

James the when a pole shift occurs electricity is generated. That is what causes the memory loss

Actually it�s more along the lines that the halves of the brain loose their connection. Interestingly enough there was a professor who postulated (this was in the 70s) that its possible that mankind lacked connections between the halves of the brain in ancient society.

This being a potential causes for why ancient man reported so many visions. It was a way for the left
and right side of the brain to communicate with each other. The left side being oriented to reality in relation to such issues as mathematics while the right side is more artistic and philosophical

Toltec,

I hate repeating myself...

"Ok, now, is there any proof of a pole shift actually causing memory loss? If not, then how are we to know, that this is what happen's?"

What you posted, showed no proof.

James the issue of memory loss when exposed to large amounts of electricity/EM fields is so well known am surprised you did not know about. If a pole shift occurs electricity is generated throughout the planet (everywhere).

The proof is in the physics James

The amount of electrical discharge is such that the effect could wipe a human memory (completely in those who survive).

As far as fist hand (of someone who was there) knowledge I would cite the stories handed down to
Me by my ancestors.

To be honest that you next claim that is not proof. Would suggest that this information was given to me
and I am simply stating it publicly, rather than take the traditional route and only tell my children.

James there is no rule that says I have to do this and in my particular case there is no rule that states I cannot.

It is also said that a person can survive a pole shift with there memories intact. It�s a matter of designing a vessel with the appropriate insulation, to protect one from the effects, which are harmful to human and animal life.

Perhaps such a technique was incorporated in that object that was found 20 miles away from Ararat,
in which case that would be proof.

No, magnetic pole shifts do NOT cause loss of memory.

If they did, you could mind-wipe people by doing medical MRI on them. The magnetic fields there are strong enough to haul unsecured objects into the MRI bed (there was a recent death caused by this).

Plenty of people (myself included) have gone through MRIs.

If you were that affected by magnetism (and pole shifts) then we'd have never made any progress toward walking upright and using hands. Remember, the magnetism of the Earth's pole is fairly weak. You can interfere with it by placing a large metal object near your compass... which is why most magnetic compasses work poorly in your car.

You can interfere with it by wearing magnetic hematite beads for arthritis.

You can interfere with it by standing under high power lines (again, you can check this out by simply walking around with a compass.)

None of that affects you at all. A magentic polar shift won't do anything to you, either.

Toltec,

www.huttoncommentaries.com...

This link provide's some evidence that we are in the begining's of a pole shift now. Yet, I'm not dead, I still remember many thing's....

I would have posted more link's, but it seem's that the physic's department at the local science lab has no interest in pole shifts... Meaning, most site's I found weren't scientific. Mostly, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!! .... Stuff like that. Also saw some thing's about alien's, a little bit of magic was thrown in to, for good measure of course.

Please post some...errrmmm... scientific proof. Google won't filter all the crap and bring me to proof.

And while rotating magnets DOES produce electricity, it only does under certain conditions.

You have to have a conducting wire around it, for one, and it has to do more than one revolution.

...otherwise, you could power your computer by putting a magnet on a rubber band, twisting the rubber band up tight, and letting the magnet spin round and round as the rubber band untwisted. I can guarantee that if you do this, you will not produce any electricity UNLESS you have a loop of wire that the magnet spins inside. If you spin a magnet inside coils of plastic, you don't get any electricity. You get nada.

Byrd what would it take for a magnetic field to produce electricity? And what would happen to a person if that electrical output that hit them was say 10,000 volts? Which is much less than the output of a bolt of lightning so assume they survive?

This is not in relation to a magnetic polar shift but rather a crustal shift. One that can occur given the conditions and in the time period described in the link at top, of the post where I present the quote from Paul P.

What are your thoughts?

[Edited on 27-12-2002 by Toltec]