Ron Weinland

I know most of you are familiar with who he is. He posted today that April 17th is the day that the first trumpet of the sounds.He also once again says he is one of the 2 witnesses and will be preaching in Jerusalem on 4/19 and will reveal the 2nd witness at that time.

Just one of numerous threads availeable here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The search function turns up more.

Yeah, Thanks I did read through alot of them.I was surprised he finally gave an actual date, since he has been so vague, only would say mid april. I have been checking in on his site to see if he would actually commit to a date.Not sure whether or not I believe him.I guess if he were to be right than I would kind of have to.

Originally posted by Meggido
I know most of you are familiar with who he is. He posted today that April 17th is the day that the first trumpet of the sounds.He also once again says he is one of the 2 witnesses and will be preaching in Jerusalem on 4/19 and will reveal the 2nd witness at that time.

Yes...the countdown "begins".

Of course, nothing will happen, it's not that nothing will ever happen, it's RW's timing that is off. Plus he's completely neglected other signs (listed in Revelation) that MUST preceed the blowing of the final seven trumpets.

Plus he does not even understand the most fundamental thing concerning the blowing of the 7 trumpets...

These occur during the Day of the Lord. The trumpets START at the beginning of the year, and throughout the year the remaining trumpets are blown. The final trumpet is blown on the final day (which most assureadly will occur on the Feast of Trumpets day), which will then assure in and announce the return of Jesus Christ in a visible way that everybody will see. (ie it will NOT be a secret rapture).

From his web site...

My wife and I, as well as Johnny and Myrtle Harrell, will be visiting Israel from April 14th through April 21st. We will be in Jerusalem on April 17th which is the day the First Trumpet of the Seventh Seal sounds. The process of all that will occur, with the sounding of the First Trumpet, will begin on April 17th and continue to increase in destructive power (consequences) for the following seven weeks. The Second Trumpet will not sound until after the Day of Pentecost. This does not mean it is near that date, but it means it cannot happen until after that day.

The actual beginning of the specific job God has for His two end-time witnesses (two end-time prophets) begins to unfold on April 17th. As I have already stated, I am one of those witnesses and the spokesman of both. While in Israel, I plan to reveal publicly the identity of the second witness in the sermon to be given on the Sabbath of April 19th from Jerusalem.

Has he tipped his hand? Is the second witness Johnny Harrell?
Well, of course neither are, because how can they be any of the two witnesses when RW has no correct comprehension of biblical prophesy?

He has discarded ALL of the signs that MUST PROCEED the blowing of the first trumpet. THESE HAVE NOT OCCURRED.

I urge all those who are his followers (and post here). TO CHECK THE SCRIPTURES...like the Bereans did, and to make sure who they are following. You should see the proof by now (as presented in this forum in misc threads), that he is a false prophet.

Christ said FALSE PROPHETS would arrive in the last days, BELIEVE HIM!

The final proof that he is a false prophet will come in a little over 2 weeks from today.

This is what WILL HAPPEN at the blowing of the FIRST TRUMPET.
If RW's timing is correct, then this must happen within the next 2-3 weeks.
(it isn't the correct timing, but let's proceed)



Revelation 8 (King James Version)
7The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

This will be a real event, it will happen physically in the real world, 1/3 of all the trees on earth will burn up, and all the green grass will burn up.

It is NOT some spiritual thing, that will happen spiritually to either the Church of God or churches of this world. It will happen in the real world.

If this happens within the next 2-3 weeks. I'll believe him.


IT WON'T.

It won't because none of the prophesies proceeding it have occurred yet.

Even if you take the view that it has, and it applies to the Church of God in some spiritual way. The things that are prophesied to occur at the blowing of the first trumpet must then occur (according to RW).

Again...it won't happen.

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Can't wait to see Ron Weinland blowing his trumpet in Israel.

Quoto from his website www.ronaldweinland.com...

April 3, 2008

My wife and I, as well as Johnny and Myrtle Harrell, will be visiting Israel from April 14th through April 21st. We will be in Jerusalem on April 17th which is the day the First Trumpet of the Seventh Seal sounds. The process of all that will occur, with the sounding of the First Trumpet, will begin on April 17th and continue to increase in destructive power (consequences) for the following seven weeks. The Second Trumpet will not sound until after the Day of Pentecost. This does not mean it is near that date, but it means it cannot happen until after that day.

The actual beginning of the specific job God has for His two end-time witnesses (two end-time prophets) begins to unfold on April 17th. As I have already stated, I am one of those witnesses and the spokesman of both. While in Israel, I plan to reveal publicly the identity of the second witness in the sermon to be given on the Sabbath of April 19th from Jerusalem.

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Have you even pondered the possibility that it may be you who is wrong? Besides Ron never said anything would happene on April 17th exactly, he said destructive events would happen in the follwoing 7 weeks.

Well, usually most prophets in the bible hardly EVER mention they're 'a prophet' and usually use the word Servant of God...and everyone ELSE refers to them as
a prophet. Not themselves.

However, I'll be tracking this post and the events in the next 7 weeks.

Originally posted by doctorex
reply to post by SirPaulMuaddib_2

 

Have you even pondered the possibility that it may be you who is wrong? Besides Ron never said anything would happene on April 17th exactly, he said destructive events would happen in the follwoing 7 weeks.

I say this with sincerity.

This is how I know. Not only do I know it, but you can know it too.

A Christian SHOULD KNOW! He can know and he should know, and this is how.

If professing Christians did this, they would know, unfortunately many truly do not. There is actually a key, that unlocks understanding! I will mention it in a minute.

But one of the things Christians must do is to simply check to see if what the man says is true or not (not specifically just RW, but any man).

They do this by checking the scriptures.



Acts 17:10-12 (New International Version)
10As soon as it was night, the brothers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true

Revelation 2:1-3 (New International Version)
1"To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:
2I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.


1) The Bereans examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true, they were commended for doing that!
Get this, even though Paul was a true apostle, they didn't just accept his word at face value, but VERIFIED IT AGAINST SCRIPTURE!
Christian need to do this!


2) The Ephesians, were also commended, because they TESTED THE APOSTLES. This does not mean they wrote up a test, handed it to the apostle, and then graded him on it. They tested the apostle by doing the same thing the Bereans did, by comparing what he said against the scriptures, if it didn't agree with scripture, then he failed the test!



This is what I did, and what you can do, to test RW. To compare it against the scriptures to see if it true.
I have, and it does not agree, I did my part, I tested RW against the scriptures, you must do the same!


Yes, the Tribulation is coming, and as time progresses, wars and rumors of wars will increase, the bible does state this, so yes, this will happen. There are hints and rumors of wars with Iran and other middle eastern places, this is nothing new, and is to be expected in one sense.


Their are a number of RW threads here where I address and where other have addressed RW's "failing the test".



Now here is one of the keys! If you believe the bible, then this is a vital key

10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.



If you believe what your bible says, then one vital key to helps with the understanding biblical prophesy involves keeping the commandments! That's not what I say, that is what the bible says!

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Actually, nothing will happen and this character will slide off into oblivion where he belongs.

These types seem to always place themselves at the center of their grand stories. I can’t wait to see the revision of the timeline once April 17th comes, and goes.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib


But one of the things Christians must do is to simply check to see if what the man says is true or not (not specifically just RW, but any man).

They do this by checking the scriptures.

Whose interpretation of scripture are we to accept? Your's?

Is it possible that you may have misinterpreted scripture?

I think Ron is a charlatan though.

You don't accept anybody's interpretation.

Otherwise you end up with an endless stream of theories and possibilities.

What you do, is let the bible interpret itself. There's an example of this in the other RW thread (re the sword in Christ's mouth). Once you learn how to apply this technique, bible "interpretation" is easier, I don't say it's easy for everything, but the more use and apply this technique, the more easier it becomes to figure stuff out.

I have searched the scriptures, and found no fault. What faults did you find? I have seen people try and post what they claims to be faults, but they have all turned out to be faults with their own understanding or ingrained belief of what the scriptures are actually saying.

If you missed it, in this thread, I show how he is wrong on the sealing of the 144,000.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Also, as mentioned elsewhere, one of the key doctrines in his church is that he believes Jesus Christ did not exist eternally with God, before He was born in human flesh. On this basis alone, one can disqualify RW as a true prophet.


That Jesus Christ existed eternally with God, is very plain from the scriptures. If he is incorrect on such a fundamental doctrine, how can anything else he say be trusted?


This and numerous other scriptures testify that Jesus Christ existed before he came to the earth in human flesh.
John 17:5 (King James Version)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Originally posted by Meggido
I know most of you are familiar with who he is. He posted today that April 17th is the day that the first trumpet of the sounds.He also once again says he is one of the 2 witnesses and will be preaching in Jerusalem on 4/19 and will reveal the 2nd witness at that time.

Well, he's far off late. The first trumpet sounded at the start of WW1. The hail mixed with fire and blood are the bombs dropped from planes. WW1 was the first war in which bombs were dropped from planes.

WW2 is the second trumpet. just about 1/3rd of all ships, navy or commercial were sunk. The burning mountain is the atomic bomb.

Chernobyl means Wormwood. A nuclear plant mimics star processes.

Internet darkened us with porn and illegal activity like pirating and stealing creditcard numbers.

First Gulf War. The sun was darkened by smoke from burning oilwells. The grasshoppers sounding like armies of horses in full galloping rage is the helicopters. It lasted five months. Captives weren't killed, but humiliated. Depleted uranium brougt the pain like scorpion bites that is written about. And Saddam means literally "the Destroyer". His mother gave him that name since the pregnancy and birth was so tough and painful.

Now.

WW3: 200 mill. soldiers marching on three fronts. The Temple in Jerusalem will be planned and even maybe rebuilt. Two prominent prophets will be killed and revived and rise up to heaven, probably in Jerusalem.

Finally. Jesus will sit down on God's throne in heaven and will become God. The Ark of Covenant will reappear and the Temple will be rebuilt.

None of the Trumpets have been blown yet.

How do I know? Because this occurs within the last 3 1/2 years of human history before Jesus Christ returns. Jesus Christ returns at the blowing of the 7th trumpet, numerous scriptures show this in the NT. If you want, you can narrow down the timing even more, the trumpets are blown during the last year of the 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation period.

This can be shown, because the trumpets are blown after the 6th seal where the sun turns black/moon turns to blood. We are told that this signals the start of the " great day of his wrath is come" (Rev. 6:17), this is referring to "The Day of the Lord", which lasts a year (day for year principle). So from this, we know that the trumpets are blown at the start / through out / and concluding...the final year of human history.


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Wonder what he'll say after April 17th and nothing happens. sorta makes the 19th moot if nothing happens the 17th. I'm sure he'll name someone the 19th anyway, and probably spin some baloney explaining why nothing happened.

i for one am starting to believe him ....after all moses did die yesterday .


in only 10 days we will all know...then the "profit" (not mis spelled) will be exposed.


i wonder if ron has ever done '___' ? i talked with god a few times while i was on it


so many terrible things have happened in this world. if i sat down long enough i can create my own historys time line to go along with the thunders and seals of revalataion. probly about 10 times over with out using doubles...

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Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
If you missed it, in this thread, I show how he is wrong on the sealing of the 144,000.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Also, as mentioned elsewhere, one of the key doctrines in his church is that he believes Jesus Christ did not exist eternally with God, before He was born in human flesh. On this basis alone, one can disqualify RW as a true prophet.


That Jesus Christ existed eternally with God, is very plain from the scriptures. If he is incorrect on such a fundamental doctrine, how can anything else he say be trusted?


This and numerous other scriptures testify that Jesus Christ existed before he came to the earth in human flesh.
John 17:5 (King James Version)
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The problem with deciding on doctrine because of what the Bible says in English is that the people who translated it did so with their doctrine already decided, and transalted it accordingly. Check into this verse in the greek. Words tranlsted as "I had" (echō) simply mean hold or had (not "I had"), and is translated as such elsewhere in the scriptures. Look also into the order of the words, this too has been changed in the English tanslation of this verse. A more literal translation could be...

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory of who had it before the world was with thee.

Simply put, give me the glory of yourself, who had such glory before the world was.

Like you said, we are to SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES, that does not mean just take the word of some translator who had already decided on his own doctrine before hand.

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