The thinning of the herd?

reply to post by loam


In the town where my mother lives in Southern New Jersey, the rabbits have also disappeared. I used to see them during the winter, summer, and spring. They have been missing for about two years now. The beginning of 2007 I saw one rabbit. No one seems to have seen a rabbit since that time. They used to hang out on the front and back lawns year-round. According to my sister, one spring bunnies nested in a burrow in the back yard. Anyway, the rabbits seem to have disappeared from the neighborhood and nearby areas. I've checked local and regional news for an explanation but nothing was available. Also, I checked to see if the local SPCA had any news, they didn't either.

I do remember that they began to disappear right around the time the bees started disappearing sometime in 2006. I didn't know if there was a connection. The bees came back last summer. We haven't seen any signs of rabbits for over a year now.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
No one talks about them because there is a percieved social-stigma. And they aren't talked about much in sex-ed, because it would lessen the scare-factor they try to attach to sex.

AMEN!

I agree with you on this one, as I have noticed that there were four pregnant women at my work last year, and only two gave birth.....

There is so much that we profess to know, and yet the data does not lead to the same "conclusive" results that many predict.

Originally posted by Areal51
I do remember that they began to disappear right around the time the bees started disappearing sometime in 2006. I didn't know if there was a connection. The bees came back last summer. We haven't seen any signs of rabbits for over a year now.

Maybe the rabbits moved. I see rabbits every morning and evening, when I jog.

Or maybe the it's the same rabbit, stalking me.

When I was a young boy, and first heard about the idea of reincarnation, I remember thinking then that mankind's expansion was taking away the souls of the extinct and disappearing animals.

Looking back on that time has always haunted me in a way about the sustainability of the earth, and now that I am in my 30s, the idea weighs heavy on my shoulders. Maybe not literally taking the souls, but more metaphorically.

Either way, I am not sure that mankind is ready for the changes we have to make in our lives to live a life based on sustainability, not cancer like growth based on flawed economic models. Who among us would be willing to lay down their life, in the hope that the future of mankind would go on? Probably not many, willingly volunteering. We might honorably decide our fate, but only after it has been determined for us.

So what then? Do we fight the 'Powers that Be' when they come to exterminate us, hopefully taking a few of them with us? Or do we fight to change our lives now to best provide a sustainable lifestyle for the next generations, and an attitude towards change? I prefer the latter myself, but among the many here at ATS, I am sure there are some who are fully prepared in 'events unfolding'.

We have been buying disposable automobiles for the last 25 years, while the automakers have continually 'biggie sized' our offerings. The prices of our food have been going up because the grain from our food supply is being used to augment the fuel for our automobile addictions. All while we have allowed the mega corps to hollow out the diversity of our foodstuffs with their sinfully delicious GMO patents. I am not sure what we have left by the way of community, now that Wal-Mart has suffocated all the small towns across America, and the world if they can globalize how they would like.

I do feel like Mother Earth's immune system is fighting a wicked illness, and the 'thinning of the heard' is just her trying to correct the balance of her systems. Thing is, I am starting to feel like mankind is just the Earth's A.I.D.S., and we are going to destroy everything including ourselves, all while working to build giant spaceships for the Bilderberger/Rothschild types. The slaves always get left on the sinking ship....

Maybe there is some hope that we can 'transcend' when the time comes, much like the legend of the Anasazi. That is if the bastard politicians don't doom us first.

The worst part about all of this, is the feeling I feel like when I found out about the Eugenics movement, Animal Husbandry, Marriage Licenses with blood tests, all of it. We have been bred like chattel cattle by the "System" it self, but who set it all up, and why? Certainly not the Gods or Allahs of the world. Why would they create a system where faith in them is used as tool of control and as mechanism of the ideologue.

It is my hope that the internet itself is to blame in the case of these dying animals. That it is actually the web 2.0, high speed of information that allows us in our ATS social network to see the connections, and stipulate. Maybe these are naturally occurring die offs, cyclical like the life cycle of the 13 year cicada. That this thread itself is one of the first examples of humans collaborating in real time on trying to prevent future catastrophes, because all life is precious, and that we have the solution for change within us right now. But in order to access that solution, we all need to work together. Not one among us has enough of the puzzle.

Alas, what is done, is done.
We must not allow humanity to kill itself off, even if it is not ready for a rude awakening now. I think if the 'mainstream' were forced into the truth, it may resist at first, but as a whole we could give up our cars and cell phones if it mean not loosing our lives, or the lives of our grandkids. I don't however, have that bombshell of truth and knowledge big enough to do it alone...

DocMoreau

[edit on 27/3/2008 by DocMoreau]

Also, saw this yesterday, would edit to add, but it wasn't working right:

www.gerdludwig.com...

Smoke from the KMK steel plant belches carbon monoxide above this Siberian city. By the early 1990s, pollution had cursed 35 million Russians with unhealthy air.

Novokuznetsk, Russia

These children, all from two city neighborhoods, were born with missing forearms. Many scientists suspect their congenital deformities to be caused by Moscow’s bewildering mix of pollutants.

Moscow, Russia

We are 'allowed in' to Russia to see these effects. Imagine where we can't go...
DocMoreau

reply to post by Starwatcher


My sense is that it is due to the 20th century. 100 years of unregulated, unimpeded industrial growth. Not too much thought was given to the environment until the last 1/3rd and corrective measures really didn't begin until the last decade. Only now in the 21st century are some corporations trying to be identified as "green". Maybe it's too little too late. 100 years of uninterrupted housing development. Every swath of forest that is not local, state, or national park was a target for yet more millions of tons of sheet rock. What is wildlife supposed to do when their feeding and mating grounds become contaminated with raw sewage, chemicals, condos, and shopping malls? Their fresh water supply polluted. 100 years of all this in the US alone.

Originally posted by DocMoreau
Who among us would be willing to lay down their life, in the hope that the future of mankind would go on?

Honestly Doc, I would.

Originally posted by DocMoreau
Or do we fight to change our lives now to best provide a sustainable lifestyle for the next generations, and an attitude towards change?

Yes, we do, but the scope of change would have to be so large, and sincerely, how many WOULD change? I know I would gladly give up everything in a heartbeat ... BUT to do so, means also cutting off the ability to sustain...any suggestion on how to accomplish one without the other? If I knew i would already be doing so.

Originally posted by DocMoreau
Alas, what is done, is done.
We must not allow humanity to kill itself off, even if it is not ready for a rude awakening now. I think if the 'mainstream' were forced into the truth, it may resist at first, but as a whole we could give up our cars and cell phones if it mean not loosing our lives, or the lives of our grandkids. I don't however, have that bombshell of truth and knowledge big enough to do it alone...

Nor do I, nor, do I imagine, any of those who would post here. As MUCH as I wish I did....


AB1

Well we have been destroying our eco system in the name of progress for quite some time now but this is definitely ringing alarm bells for me! All animals depend on a certain bit of the biosphere and if we destroy it we destroy them-simple as that really. The bee thing worries me more than anything-they play a very specialised role in plant pollination and the more plants that die the more creatures die. A casual look around this site will show you that people seem obsessed and even hungry for the idea of the thinning of the human herd (nwo/niburu/global warming/cooling/pole reversal/2012/suvival/revelations etc)-maybe we want to die because we know that we are destroying our planet and everything on it? Maybe not, you can rest assured that the greediest and most selfish will be riding out whatever comes our way in their underground bunkers while the rest of us deal with the mess they have created. Don't beleive me? The carlyle group ( if you don't know who this is please look it up!) now own qinetiq-the private company that owns and runs many of the uk M.o.D BASES AND UNDERGROUND SHELTERS? All our bases belong to u.s!

Use Google Earth and look around. What will you see :
Roads that block animal migration, cities, villages, land used for agriculture
Where are all the forests and empty space that should be there ? Of course animals start do disappear

Every time you wash a plate with dish washing liquid you are poisoning a river somewhere and then the ocean. Then you poison yourself, I am sure some of it will remain on the plate. Just one example of pollution among thousands.

[edit on 27-3-2008 by pai mei]

reply to post by pai mei


Ummmm... there is a ton of land that is undeveloped in this country. About 93%, not including alaska. I agree that there is some restriction of herds and migrations, but...

Also, just an FYI, there is now a plethera of options for every soap there is, which are eco-friendly. If some environmentalists would get their facts straight, maybe more people wouldn't blow them off.... Just a thought.

Oh, and btw, I want my T.V., computer, and freedom of transportation. I will gladly pay for any options that are greener. I just wonder why all of these eco-scientists haven't developed more items for me to consume, without having to use up half of the fruits of my labor to use. This argument is useless, action is mandatory.

can i just say, it's not just the animals, in wales, in the british isles a few months ago a load of teenagers all started committing suicide one after the other in the same small town, it was really strange, i just reckon the whole world has lost it!

reply to post by loam

We do not commit the resources necessary to be aware of our environment.

I am 49 years old. Many things we know are very bad for us now we were scarcely aware of thirty years ago. Polychlorinatedbiphenals, heavy metals like lead, arsenic, mercury, organic neurotoxins that are used as pesticides and other purposes (an artificial strawberry flavoring), asbestos, all of these things have issues that we have become aware of only recently.

When I was in elementary school, you used to be able to get a book called, "The Boys First Book of Electricity", aside from the obvious sexist issues (girls weren't supposed to learn about electricity back then), the book contained, among other things, details about how to build a little two burner stove from asbestos and nichrome wire, with templates for cutting the asbestos. Fortunately, I never constructed said project.

When I was a kid we used to play with beads of mercury from broken thermometers, etc. Guess that explains a lot about my mental state today.

The point I'm making is that there were so many hazards we weren't aware of then that we only became aware of after long term exposure started to cause problems. There are many things today we still aren't aware of and that we will only realize are hazardous twenty or thirty years down the road after long term problems become apparent.

One thing that I find greatly troubling is food irradiation, particularly the use of neutron irradiation to sterilize food. Infectious agents in our food are bad, neutron activation products are worse. If you take a stable isotope and bombard it with neutrons, occasionally it will absorb one and become an unstable isotope. This is the reason nuclear reactors become radioactive themselves.

It doesn't seem like a good idea to me to be doing this to food and then eating it, yet our government allows this, encourages this, and doesn't even permit food treated in this manner to be labeled so those of us who do not wish to consume radioactive food can avoid it.

Many of the treatments we give to food in the name of safety also destroy much of the nutritive value. Many of our farming practices remove all of the soil minerals and leave us with crops that lack nutrients that we need.

We really need to start making changes to the way we live and produce the food and products that we need. This doesn't mean we have to live in a minimalist way, it just means we have to be a lot smarter about how we use our resources and how we produce our foods.

Many of these mammal die offs, do you know that BSE and CVJ disease are the same thing? Just in cows and humans respectively, and that at the heart of this is a mis-folding of a brain protein that in turn has the ability to act as a catalyst and cause more mis-folding of this brain protein and it ultimately results in the destruction of the brain.

This happens in cows, people, deer, and can happen in just about any mammal, originally we were familiar with it as "scrapie", a disease affecting sheep. I can't help but wonder just how widespread this disease is and if some of these mysterious mammal die offs aren't caused by it? Especially the Moose die-off, it has exactly the right symptoms for this disease.

The strange thing is nobody even knows what the function of the correctly folded version of this protein is. Cows bread with the DNA that produce it deleted from their genome seem to function fine.

We really need to funnel more resources into environmental research and less into wars so that we can understand what's killing off these other mammals before we become the next extinct species.

what would happen if the entire ocean became oxygen deprived? could we still live?

also, anyone see the movie 'the last mimzy', it's a kid movie but it's about this AI toy that is sent from the future to collect 'clean' human DNA to repair humans 'dirty' DNA in the far future. I think we are slowly killing off our species..

I was told by my most reliable Nature Expert (my brother ) that the moose are being drained of blood and weakened from hundreds of ticks. The therory is that these ticks are NOT dying off as they once did during the cold winter months. Global Warming is affecting the life-cycles of these arthropods increasing their populations in stagering population explosions and it will only get worse!!!

I am a big Nature fan (an ex-Veterinarian Tech) and used to backpack in the Adirondack Mountains back in NY, and almost canoed up the butt of a female moose feeding in a river (twin calfs on shore) up in the wilds of Algonquin National Park in Canada. While there (100 mile canoe trip) many moose were observed ....... HUGE, AWESOME, MAJESTIC CREATURES!!!!!!

Big business is raping our World and Mother Nature is in need of some immediate help, but it may be too late ... and Man is supposed to be the most evolved and intelligent creature on this Planet?????? Feed the polluters to the Lions I say!!!!

MY honest opinion:

This is the biggest "problem reaction solution" of them all:

Kill off our environment through deliberate poisoning of air water and land by the big corporations (which are all NWO controlled of course), and possibly by chemtrails etc, then when the ecosystems collapse and food goes scarce (causing mass rioting and looting among other things), "they" can bring in the final stage of their plan: kill 95% of us (*) so they have a nice easy to control half billion micro chipped slaves. (by kill I mean mainly let die due to a deliberately caused famine, plus of course the much talked about prison camps and also the usual wars and genocides), all the while the elite are safe in their underground bases with hydroponically grown food etc.


(*) see georgia guidestones among other things

This is very strange as where i live. there use to be more bird species then now. seagulls. some small birds and twitters. and now only pigeons. WHERE DID THE SEAGULLS GO ?

So what are we going to DO about it!?

www.orionmagazine.org...

But no matter what environmentalists do, our best efforts are insufficient. We’re losing badly, on every front. Those in power are hell-bent on destroying the planet, and most people don’t care.

Frankly, I don’t have much hope. But I think that’s a good thing. Hope is what keeps us chained to the system, the conglomerate of people and ideas and ideals that is causing the destruction of the Earth.

To start, there is the false hope that suddenly somehow the system may inexplicably change. Or technology will save us. Or the Great Mother. Or beings from Alpha Centauri. Or Jesus Christ. Or Santa Claus. All of these false hopes lead to inaction, or at least to ineffectiveness. One reason my mother stayed with my abusive father was that there were no battered women’s shelters in the ‘50s and ‘60s, but another was her false hope that he would change. False hopes bind us to unlivable situations, and blind us to real possibilities.

Does anyone really believe that Weyerhaeuser is going to stop deforesting because we ask nicely? Does anyone really believe that Monsanto will stop Monsantoing because we ask nicely? If only we get a Democrat in the White House, things will be okay. If only we pass this or that piece of legislation, things will be okay. If only we defeat this or that piece of legislation, things will be okay. Nonsense. Things will not be okay. They are already not okay, and they’re getting worse. Rapidly.
But it isn’t only false hopes that keep those who go along enchained. It is hope itself. Hope, we are told, is our beacon in the dark. It is our light at the end of a long, dark tunnel. It is the beam of light that makes its way into our prison cells. It is our reason for persevering, our protection against despair (which must be avoided at all costs). How can we continue if we do not have hope?

We’ve all been taught that hope in some future condition—like hope in some future heaven—is and must be our refuge in current sorrow. I’m sure you remember the story of Pandora. She was given a tightly sealed box and was told never to open it. But, being curious, she did, and out flew plagues, sorrow, and mischief, probably not in that order. Too late she clamped down the lid. Only one thing remained in the box: hope. Hope, the story goes, was the only good the casket held among many evils, and it remains to this day mankind’s sole comfort in misfortune. No mention here of action being a comfort in misfortune, or of actually doing something to alleviate or eliminate one’s misfortune.

The more I understand hope, the more I realize that all along it deserved to be in the box with the plagues, sorrow, and mischief; that it serves the needs of those in power as surely as belief in a distant heaven; that hope is really nothing more than a secular way of keeping us in line...

When we stop hoping for external assistance, when we stop hoping that the awful situation we’re in will somehow resolve itself, when we stop hoping the situation will somehow not get worse, then we are finally free—truly free—to honestly start working to resolve it. I would say that when hope dies, action begins.

Originally posted by alphabetaone

Originally posted by DocMoreau
Who among us would be willing to lay down their life, in the hope that the future of mankind would go on?

Honestly Doc, I would.

Originally posted by DocMoreau
Or do we fight to change our lives now to best provide a sustainable lifestyle for the next generations, and an attitude towards change?

Yes, we do, but the scope of change would have to be so large, and sincerely, how many WOULD change? I know I would gladly give up everything in a heartbeat ... BUT to do so, means also cutting off the ability to sustain...any suggestion on how to accomplish one without the other? If I knew i would already be doing so.

Originally posted by DocMoreau
Alas, what is done, is done.
We must not allow humanity to kill itself off, even if it is not ready for a rude awakening now. I think if the 'mainstream' were forced into the truth, it may resist at first, but as a whole we could give up our cars and cell phones if it mean not loosing our lives, or the lives of our grandkids. I don't however, have that bombshell of truth and knowledge big enough to do it alone...

Nor do I, nor, do I imagine, any of those who would post here. As MUCH as I wish I did....


AB1

I have no idea how best to edit that to answer you, but I think the context of the points I made relating to yours are very important...

I must say "PEACE and HONOR" to any of us who would lay down their life for the future sustainability of Mankind, and the Planet itself. I for one still don't trust enough of my fellow men to make suck a statement, there are just too many 'overindulgers' to hand over the keys to yet.

For me, the change starts with the small things. Recycling. Conserving electricity/water. Riding my bike. Teaching myself about gardening and composting, and then trying to put it to practice. Hopefully, by the time I have kids (right now I am wavering on adding one more' mouth' to the mix, but its the 'mind' that gives me hope!) I will have changed enough of the little things about my formerly slothful life, that I will automatically instill those same sorts of beliefs and morals to them.

The more we as individuals can maintain our individuality, and not have to take big pharma's pills to do it, there will always be hope. Our diversity is our future. Humankind's adaptability and cooperative skills working together instead of against each other can happen.

I am trying not to be egregious by spewing platitudes, but I honestly believe there is truth in the words of pop singer Whitney Houston, "The Children are our future, teach them well, and let them lead the way..."

America hasn't been doing that. Instead of really 'teaching' them much of anything, we indoctrinate them into the institutional serfdom of Capitalism. Growth is mantra, and sustainability an afterthought. We have allowed Nintendo and Sony to entertain our children because we can't stand being around the monsters we create by following the status quo.

It was real eye opener to meet a 5 year old girl who has no idea what McDonalds is. Or the Bratz or any of the crap kids are brainwashed about. She can actually sit and talk, not fidget or act out. She is respectful to other humans and animals, and very caring. After sitting and talking with her over an hour, in a very philosophical discussion about the world, and how they need 'more love over there', I was blown away. I told her that hopefully she can grow up to be president some day, because the world needs more people like her. Do you know what she told me? 'No thank you, I think I would rather hug a lizard!" I nearly hit the floor. Above all, love and laughter, right?

So is there any one answer? Hell no. Anyone who tries to tell us that there is, is an idiot. But this dialogue right here is a great start.
DocMoreau

Originally posted by observe50
It wouldn't suprise me if this is occurring from the chemicals being dumped on us from the chemtrails that everyone here denies.

Look at the crap they are finding in our drinking water. The human race, the animals and plants, insects are all being dumbed down and slowly poisoned.

If you were smart cleanse and detox your bodies beware and learn what your Doctor's presctibe you and learn to grow your own foods.

Let them know you know what they are doing.

Observe50, you have hit the nail on the head, that and HAARP are doing untold damage to LIFE!

But will they listen? the evil that does this? It makes me want to puke!

reply to post by spaceweaver


The answer is NOT in recycling and growing your own veges. It is in STOPPING THE EVIL that exists in CHEMTRAILS AND HAARP!!

It is in becoming so political that you have a voice. Do you think THEY care if you grow your own veges and recycle while they kill off the bees etc?

Honestly, you people need to smell the roses!