Colombia seizes uranium from leftist guerrillas

Even though this was depleted uranium, they are at the correct source for some U235.

Why is this not being taken seriously?

Originally posted by kerontehe
It doesn't take much more than a high speed centrifuge to enrich it into a potent nuclear device.

I'm fully aware of that uranium can be enriched with a high speed centrifuge; however, you seem to be a bit confused when you use the term "potent nuclear device".

A "dirty bomb", regardless of the enrichment-status of the uranium (or any other radioactive substance that may be used), is not designed to initiate a nuclear chain reaction; it merely disperses radioactive material (and quite poorly at that) which can be cleaned up relatively easily. In short, it's actually a waste of uranium.

The largest dangers, from a "dirty bomb", are the initial blast (which isn't increased by the addition of any radioactive substance), and the widespread panic associated with the irrational fears attached to the phrase "dirty bomb". The ensuing panic is far more likely to result in deaths than any minor exposure, to the radioactive materials dispersed, would.

The problem is that the MSM has fed into, and created these irrational public fears; and that they've avoided easing the public's minds with the facts regarding just how worthless "dirty bombs" really are.

[edit on 3/29/08 by redmage]

Heeellllllooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

People posting on ATS don't believe the lies of 9/11 or the lies of the WMD in Iraq, yet you give credence to something like this????

Absolutely mind-boggling.

Do your research:

-As someone already mentionned, dirty bombs don't work (except to scare people). That's why they're not going off all over the place.

-The US wants Venezuela's oil just as much as Iran's. The Neocons keep throwing lies left, right and center about Chavez. Before believing he's a dictator stealing money from his country, research who he really is and what he has done for his country. Bush vs. Chavez

Find out how the Neocons are trying to start a war with Venezuela while everyone is looking at Iran: Bush and Uribe v. Chavez and Correa
$300 MILLION FROM CHAVEZ TO FARC A FAKE

Make no mistake, the war-mongers have created this story and they will link it to Chavez. Forget that it's all a lie. Forget that 80% of people in Venezuela (the poor and uneducated) support Chavez while the 20% of rich people hate him. They will blame Chavez and use this to invade.

reply to post by redmage

I was not refering to a "dirty bomb".

As I stated in my second post and I maintain that they are at the correct source. Depleted uranium has several other uses that can be quite effective if they visit your abode.

While I readily admit to confusion - I do have 5 years plus experience working for these guys:
query.nytimes.com...
www.awst.com...
at a little place in Tennessee called Oak Ridge.



[edit on 3/29/2008 by kerontehe]

According to General Freddy Padilla Chief of the Colombian armed forces, this deal was meant to be done with a foreign government, however this government remains for now undisclosed.

Interesting that a couple of days later Hugo Chavez bit his tongue and shook hands with a Columbian leader.

Do we infer that Venezuela was the supplier ?

The list of donors is short including maybe Myanmar, North Korea, Iran or Russian mafia.

Originally posted by kerontehe
I was not refering to a "dirty bomb".

Alright, the confusion was mine then.

That said, I have to disagree with the notion that, "It doesn't take much more than a high speed centrifuge to enrich it into a potent nuclear device."

To make a potent nuclear device, it does take quite a bit more than merely possessing enriched uranium. While enriching uranium is a hurdle, it's not the only one.

Originally posted by kerontehe
Depleted uranium has several other uses that can be quite effective if they visit your abode.

Absolutely, but the notion of a dirty bomb seems to be the most common of fears. I don't think "terrorists" are all that concerned with milling DU anti-tank rounds, or with other such implementations.

Also, I do think that the upcoming "6 month gap", along the southern border, is one of the reasons that the story is currently seeing such little MSM attention.

[edit on 3/29/08 by redmage]

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Agreed.

Both our borders and the porous state thereof is something I have preaching to stone ears for about 9 years now.

It is probably a good thing I am retired now less I be tempted to go rogue.

Interesting timeline...

Raul Reyes (FARC) was traveling on a fake Venezuelan passport to Romania in mid january 2008, and meeting with Mogilevich's people, allegedly to buy uranium.

Mogilevich was arrested in Moscow on January 24 2008 (for "tax evation")

March 1 2008: Raul Reyes was killed in Equador by Colombian soldiers. Venezuela almost went to war with Colombia because of this raid.

The first reports about Reyes' meeting in Romania was published on March 6 2008.

March 6 2008: Viktor Bout was arrested in Thailand, in a sting operation by DEA agents posing as FARC members.

And now Colombia finds this uranium.


Btw, Thailand has not yet received an official extradition request from Washington on Viktor Bout...

Originally posted by kerontehe
Even though this was depleted uranium, they are at the correct source for some U235.

Why is this not being taken seriously?

Depleted Uranium? Where is that information coming from? Depleted Uranium doesn't have any practical military use except as armor plating or armor piercing projectiles, maybe ballast in naval ships.

It seems like there's a glaring lack of coverage of this story by ALL sectors of the media, so I'm doubtful if there's any truth to the story anyway.

Originally posted by kerontehe
Even though this was depleted uranium, they are at the correct source for some U235.

Why is this not being taken seriously?

Because it would take away from the media's "globalist" agenda and frighten the sheep.................America and other countries might actually demand closed borders.......

reply to post by mythatsabigprobe
From here:

Colombia Probes FARC Ties to Uranium Seized in Bogota (Update3)

By Joshua Goodman

March 27 (Bloomberg) -- Colombian authorities are investigating what the country's biggest guerrilla group planned to do with 30 kilograms (66 pounds) of depleted uranium seized in a raid on the outskirts of Bogota.

www.bloomberg.com...

Additionally:

The depleted uranium, found yesterday in a rural area outside the city, poses no health risk and can't be used to build a dirty bomb, said Charles Ferguson, a nuclear affairs analyst at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington. A video released by the Colombian military showed the metal had a slow radiation rate of 1.5 Microsieversts per hour, he said.

``You could stand next to this material for days and nothing would happen to you, unless you dropped it on your foot,'' said Ferguson.

Possible uses for the FARC might include making armor- piercing conventional weapons or an ingestible poison, Ferguson said. Less likely, the metal could be used as a shield while handling more potent radioactive materials that would be used to make a dirty bomb.

As I said again - they are at the source.



[edit on 3/29/2008 by kerontehe]

What else was found on Reyes' computer?

A lot of interesting stuff on his computer...


Gateway Pundit: COLOMBIA SEIZES FARC TERRORIST URANIUM STASH!

Here is a partial list of what Colombian investigators found on the FARC terror leader's computer:

-- FARC connections with Ecuadorean president Rafael Correa
-- Records of $300 million offerings from Hugo Chavez
-- Thank you notes from Hugo Chavez dating back to 1992
-- Uranium purchasing records
-- Admit to killing the sister of former President Cesar Gaviria
-- Admit to planting a 2003 car bomb killing 36 at a Bogota upper crust club
-- Directions on how to make a Dirty Bomb
-- Information that led to the discovery of 60 pounds of uranium
-- Letter to Libya's Moammar Gadhafi asking for cash to buy surface-to-air missiles
-- Meetings with "gringos" about Barack Obama
-- Information on Russian illegal arms dealer Viktor Bout who was later captured
-- FARC funding Correa's campaign
-- Cuban links to FARC
-- Links to US Democrats
-- $480,000 of FARC cash in Costa Rican safe house
...And, more.

I wonder what's up with Viktor Bout? There seems to be no push from Washington to get him...

Do people think that laptop thing is for real? I remember when that happened, I thought it was odd that someone in that kind of group, when the camp was stormed would not have destroyed it instantly, or it would at least have some encryption or something.

This world is packed with criminals, who would love to carelessly use weapons of mass destruction (such as depleted uranium) against their foes & neighbors.

wow yeah threw research DU seems to be just another slightly poisonous metal, a very dense metal but still somewhat harmful, specialy to your DNA an Cells, but just as bad as plastic cups an benzine....

But yeah i dont see them making a bomb out of it since the means needed to produce nukes out of em would alert someone somewhere an or just be too costly to produce, not to mention a dirty bomb would be far more costly an alot less likely to cite higher damages then a cheaper easier to make chem or biological bomb....

I guess you could put it in water supplies but you wouldnt be alive to see the effects.....
So why would they have this? Bullets? I like the idea for the sheilding for other radioactive materials.... who knos, pretty wild to go after this stuff for just Bullet strength, I'd be more inclined to believe it to be for shielding since that would be the means that would yeild them the most bang for their buck ( no pun intended )

Im more worried about biological an Chemical weapons, since they are easier an cheaper to make....

Originally posted by redmage
What Beautiful timing. I feel so much safer, with uranium floating around South America, knowing that our southern border will stay secure in the coming months...

Edit (instead of a double post):

I can almost see it now...

Leave a six onth gap, for plausible deniability, and smuggle it in on a C.I.A. coc aine charter so that warring government factions can stage a false flag operation in order to seize the election.

Where's Tom Clancy when ya need him!

[edit on 3/27/08 by redmage]

OOoooh, I'm telling on you.... Mr. Clancy just got beaten to a plot line nyah nyah ... !

Seriously though. I strongly urge everyone to consider how easily such a claim can be made, and just how difficult it would be to disprove. Especially considering the 'holy-grail laptop' story (maybe better to call it the 'golden ticket' laptop).

Since we (the media driven population) have already accepted the laptop story - well..., pretty soon they will discover the Iran-Pakistan-Venezuela network of death.

So this is DU then? - I've just stumbled upon this one...

All you have to do to get DU is wave your arms in front of US troops looking like an insurgent! DU is about as dangerous as, I don't know mercury or organophosphates isn't it??

Unless it is atomised in your very immediate vicinity - don't worry about it.

Worry more about your internet connection giving you brain cancer - thats far more likely... I see you all there smoking and drinking, eating badly and not exercising enough!!

Or is that me

reply to post by MikeboydUS


" Colombia seizes uranium from leftist guerrillas "

My gut reaction was [ Cue DRAGNET music ], because, the last I heard, "we" are setting up a base nearby, and prior to that was, that south america was on list of places to go, as in afghanistan etc.

It just seems like another item for another situation to build on or unfold over.

Only time will tell.

What side of the Colombian conflict is the US supporting? Which side has the largest beef with Chavez?