Time to listen to Ron Paul?

I really hate people that tell other people to get out just for disagreeing with the government. You get out. You're the one that seems to have a problem with freedom of speech. This country was founded on liberty, freedom, and rejecting injustices, not on agreeing with the government and blindly loving every move the country makes just because you live in it.

If anyone's in the wrong country here, it's the flag-waving Tories who seem to think they are Patriots.

What has happened in the last month or two is that in the process of reviewing the potential candidates to vote for, people have started to realize that every last one of them is garbage. People are realizing that they will have to once again hold their noses and vote for the lesser of the three remaining evils and they are finally realizing that none of them are worth their vote. When faced with the choice of Clinton, Obama or McSame, the future looks pretty dim.


If the American people spoke loudly enough and showed enough support to convince Ron Paul to run as a third party independant (which he said he would not do) then I think he would stand a good chance of winning.

He would definately have my vote.

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
Ron Paul is dead right about abolishing the Fed and re-establishing the U.S. dollar as a precious metals backed currency with the U.S. Congress fulfilling its Constitutional obligation to mint and print the money instead of handing it off illegally to the Treasury and the Fed.

That is the main issue here. Abolishing the Fed and re-establishing a precious metal backed currency. Not enough gold to back up the BS at this point and they know it.

Ron Paul speaks about reality and not many people want to hear it.

Originally posted by spacedoubt
No "warm and fuzzy" issues to talk about, just reality

He doesn't speak to the masses as if they were children, so they don't pay attention.

He's not a "hunk", nor is he backed by a giant politicorporate machine.

All he has is "sound advice"..and apparently, that's too boring.

Don't blame me, I voted for Ron Paul

We had such a man in Holland, Pim Fortuyn. When everything indicated he would win the elections he got murdered. By some animal activist...

Now this activist is in prison and remarkably he's gotten very little media attention after the assassination. Why? I feel it's a cover up. The traditional parties compared him to Hitler, Le Pen and other fascists.

He was not, they demonized him and these traditional parties were very very afraid he would win the elections.

Then the animal activist assassinated him... yeah right. What does an animal activist have to gain by assassinating him? Nothing, these parties, however, did.

This is what happens to candidates who express what people think, who really acts. Corporation and traditional parties are not gonna allow this.

That's why Ron Paul is boycotted from media attention. That's why it wouldn't surprise me if Obama gets assassinated.

Ron Pauls message is a breath of fresh air among stagnant stale air of the political choices we now have. It's a shame corporate own the media.

In regards to Ron Paul, and his beliefs:

Suppose someone wanted to stop paying "unconstitutional taxes"... how would they go about this? Considering every, well, pretty much every job in America takes out those taxes long before you even get a check?

I don't understand this, and everyone I have talked to seems to take on a completely blank face when I ask. As in... they don't understand either.

[and I apologize if this has been answered in another thread. ATS has tons of info, but I figured a thread about Ron Paul would be an excellent source]

Originally posted by promomag
Well perhaps it's not time for Ron Paul. As much as people complain here and everywhere else I think it would serve you and everyone best to truly take stock in what you truly believe in.... perhaps Ron Pauls campaign wasn't to win the presidency but to enlighten and inspire others to some day become future leaders with similar ideas with similar convictions.

The campaign to be elected president may be over, but the revolution lives on!

The whole point of the Ron Paul revolution is to make the braindead citizens wake up and reassert their constitutional rights.

The revolution is far from dead people, its just getting started.

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
In regards to Ron Paul, and his beliefs:

Suppose someone wanted to stop paying "unconstitutional taxes"... how would they go about this? Considering every, well, pretty much every job in America takes out those taxes long before you even get a check?

I don't understand this, and everyone I have talked to seems to take on a completely blank face when I ask. As in... they don't understand either.

[and I apologize if this has been answered in another thread. ATS has tons of info, but I figured a thread about Ron Paul would be an excellent source]

My belief is that "you" wouldn't go about this. The POTUS would have to have an initiative to formally abolish the income tax which would have to be done by revisiting the very nasty 16th amendment to the Constitution. Paul believes that corporations should pay income tax as the amendment was designed to do. He does not believe that it extends to the working man/woman on their own personal "income", which, in my opinion, is trading your services for wages.

For people who think the IRS would go away, it wouldn't under Paul. First, such a plan would have to make it through Congress. Lets see a show of hands that believe for a second that Congress would vote to eliminate the income tax on personal income. That's right, almost zero percent chance. Congress is only interested in "eliminating" the income tax as long as it is REPLACED with another tax, such as a flat tax or national sales tax. Paul advocates ZERO taxes on your personal income. If Paul did get this through, there would have to be some sort of phase out and restructuring. The IRS would be relegated to dealing with corporate taxes and how do you think that would turn out?

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
You know, everyone can still write his name in come election day. Is it so insane to think that if we keep spreading the news about his common sense approach to things that people won't listen?

Should we merely let them decide the candidates for us?

Or do candidates not on the ballot get thrown out?

*Imagines an election day where the MSM are confused at the number of write in's that all say Ron Paul*

While I would be the first to write RON PAUL in huge letters on the ballot I have yet to see where to do it. I asked once about the story that I was told as a child (along with "any one can be President!") wherein you could write in anyone you wanted to - I was told the only way to do that was via absentee ballot because the system has no 'write in' options. I have to admit, I've never seen anywhere where I could 'write in' a name. I'm in NY state so maybe things are different elsewhere.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2

Originally posted by EagleTalonZ
In regards to Ron Paul, and his beliefs:

Suppose someone wanted to stop paying "unconstitutional taxes"... how would they go about this? Considering every, well, pretty much every job in America takes out those taxes long before you even get a check?

I don't understand this, and everyone I have talked to seems to take on a completely blank face when I ask. As in... they don't understand either.

[and I apologize if this has been answered in another thread. ATS has tons of info, but I figured a thread about Ron Paul would be an excellent source]

My belief is that "you" wouldn't go about this. The POTUS would have to have an initiative to formally abolish the income tax which would have to be done by revisiting the very nasty 16th amendment to the Constitution. Paul believes that corporations should pay income tax as the amendment was designed to do. He does not believe that it extends to the working man/woman on their own personal "income", which, in my opinion, is trading your services for wages.

For people who think the IRS would go away, it wouldn't under Paul. First, such a plan would have to make it through Congress. Lets see a show of hands that believe for a second that Congress would vote to eliminate the income tax on personal income. That's right, almost zero percent chance. Congress is only interested in "eliminating" the income tax as long as it is REPLACED with another tax, such as a flat tax or national sales tax. Paul advocates ZERO taxes on your personal income. If Paul did get this through, there would have to be some sort of phase out and restructuring. The IRS would be relegated to dealing with corporate taxes and how do you think that would turn out?

I have to disagree on a few precepts presented in your response. I have had numerous experiences exploring this subject and finding all my posts mysteriously removed from the forums where I have shared the fruits of my research.

First and foremost - I file and pay my taxes and urge you to do the same unless you are 'playing for keeps.' because the IRS and the support system they have within the government is utterly humorless regarding their apparent 'God-given' right to extract money from you - your opinion doesn't enter into it as far as they are concerned.

1) The unconstitutionality of the tax is an oversimplification. It is the direct and un-apportioned nature of tax that is in question here. You see the language in the law is clear and our federal superior court has confirmed on multiple occasion in various venues that there is no mandate for a citizens labor to be taxed, nor has that authority been granted at any time to seize them. Such taxation is reserved for commercial purposes and more specifically for international transactions not personal financial activity.

2) The state-level audit of the 'votes' ratifying the so-called 16th amendment conclusively and unequivocally verified that no ratification took place (and in fact, a fraud was clearly perpetrated on the people and not acted upon by the courts.) This is in direct contradiction to the 'federal' website which claims otherwise (and is sadly uncontested).

3) As to whether the IRS would or would not 'disappear' is irrelevant. I don't care what they do as long as they don't rewrite the laws that we never empowered them to rewrite.

The truth is very hurtful, the IRS (another private agency like the Fed) is simply an adjunct to the Fed. They represent the Fed the same way a mafioso collector represent the 'Don.' Armed and replete with 'legal' 'law enforcement' powers - go figure.

These are not 'theories' and their not 'opinions.' The law is as the law was written. We simply forgot to force the government to abide by the law when they relinquished our economic machine to the Jekyll Island crowd.

I think if he did ever get into office he would end up like jfk The man is not a kiss butt type of person he would do great things for your country But as we all know good people come last Open your eyes people

Just a out siders point of view

I see yesterday this Video from US... Terrible, but funny, and goes nice with this discussion!

www.rumormillnews.com...

VIDEO ON WHY RON PAUL LOST FLORIDA PRIMARY! MUST SEE

This video illustrates what is probably my biggest "frustration" with my fellow citizens.

reply to post by Maxmars


I don't disagree with anything you wrote and fail to see how my precepts differ. I file and pay my taxes because I know the consequences if I don't. I too have researched this. I'm simply pointing out the reality of the income tax as it relates to Paul as an acting President. I don't believe the IRS would go away. Paul doesn't even believe that this would be a possibility himself. What Paul does espouse is some transitional mechanism to ween us off of these types of institutions. But, it all starts with changing foreign policy and what the role of government ought to be.

The question I responded to asked how "they" would go about stopping their payment of taxes. My reponse was that "they" would not or rather, they should not. I don't think they would want to deal with the plethora of issues that would come their way if they took that course of action.

reply to post by Freenrgy2


My bad. I wholeheartedly concur. I think the problems not cooperating would far outweigh the benefits. I can't envision the roadblocks that would most certainly be placed in the way of increasing the tax burden on corporations (considering that corporate interests have become the primary concern of the government instead of the common people.)

I meant simply to point out that while Dr. Paul does recognize the problems with the system, I don't think his potential approach is the only viable one. Personally, I believe we could do away with the IRS, but it would have to be approached from a non-Fed Reserve perspective. First revoke their charter, THEN tackle the whole 'to tax or not to tax income' problem.

Originally posted by mattifikation
I really hate people that tell other people to get out just for disagreeing with the government. You get out. You're the one that seems to have a problem with freedom of speech. This country was founded on liberty, freedom, and rejecting injustices, not on agreeing with the government and blindly loving every move the country makes just because you live in it.

pwnt.



I agree, of course.

America started its interminable fall the day "patriotism" started to mean "obedience" instead of "laying down one's life for the ideal of freedom".

reply to post by JanusFIN


Ugh! I had to watch that in several small doses because it made me fairly nauseous. Great example of why so many people think all of us 'mericans are dopes. (I wonder if it physically hurts these people to think before they speak)

I must go now and tend to the wounding of my inner child

Originally posted by battlestargalactica
Ron Pauls message is a breath of fresh air among stagnant stale air of the political choices we now have. It's a shame corporate own the media.

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Agreed. But I might add, it's a shame that the corporations own the government too.

It's funny how a Canadian even sees Ron Paul as being the only hope for America. I have relatives that came down from Detroit. We sat down and started talking about the economy and politics. I asked them what they thought about Ron Paul(my cousins are 23 & 27), and they said they are not voting for him. So I asked who are they voting for? They said Barrack Obama. So I took a breath of air and asked why. They said because we see him on TV, so he must be good.

Honestly I just hope your next president is not an idiot.

Those who speak of changing the system by weaning the government from the teat of the taxpayers and and allowing the bankers time to "fix" these problems that they themselves have created are deluding themselves. This is akin to saying to a heroin addict, " You really need to clean up your act, but here's an unlimited supply of smack while you decide what to do."

No, I believe the only change will come when they are forced to go cold turkey. There will be much crying and whining and anger and pain while it goes through DT's and is forced to come to grips with reality, but when its all over a better being will emerge.

Originally posted by JanusFIN
www.rumormillnews.com...

VIDEO ON WHY RON PAUL LOST FLORIDA PRIMARY! MUST SEE

I would back Ron Paul,
but I do not,
as a matter of principle,
vote in elections.


The content of the above video is the main reason.

The masses are the untruth.

That said...
unlike the average fool
in my Floridian state of residence...
I can state that I agree with Ron because:

His economic policies of greatly reduced DOD spending, a commodity backed dollar, and splitting the monopoly of the privately owned national bank, which our nation is a debt slave to, are sound and historically proven.

I agree with Ron's policy on marijuana, namely that the federal government has no constitutional right to legislate personal consumption of anything.

I agree with his message of individual liberty, personal economic responsibility, and defence of the Constitution.

I agree with Ron's policies on education, specifically the dismantling of the US Department thereof and placing member states individually responsible for setting standards of education, if they so choose. I agree with Ron that the ultimate responsibility of education should be in the hands of family.

I agree with Ron's policy of eliminating subsidies to the petrofuel transportation infrastructure. I also agree with his call to eliminate subsidies to the petrofertilized food industry.

I agree with Ron's policy of less regulation of the people by the Federal Government.

I agree with Ron's policy of ending the war on terror and the war on drugs, immediately and now.

I agree with Ron's policy of ending secret CIA prisons and closing Guantanamo. I agree with Ron that US DOD sponsored torture must end.

I agree with Ron that we should trade and behave peacefully towards Cuba, Iran, and North Korea.



Our words are much more powerful than our voters registration card.


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