Doomsday Seed Vault, Do They Know Something We Don't?

Is it just me or has the UK pledged a fairly disproportionate amount in relation to the other trustees - with the exception of the B & M Gates foundation ofcourse!

Considering the USA is apparently the richest country in the world, they're giving a pretty measly sum - mybe because they already have a similar project going but are being highly secretive about it?

And 30,000 USD from Brazil - thats a joke isn't it?! I can't even buy a car for that!

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Well the USA is down at $6.5 million, then if you add the the US corporations
(whether thats a valid thing to do i don't know..):

$30 million from Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation

$305,000 Rockefeller Foundation

$1 million Dupont Corp.

Comes to a total $31.3 million from corporations, then add $6.5 million direct from the USA comes to a total contribution of $37.3 million from the USA, give or take.

Now one thing that this math exercise brings up is why is all of this money needed? An important question.

The total monies donated so far to the trust from various countries and corporations and trusts is $142 million (USD).

--click link below for LARGER size chart, taken direct from www.croptrust.org--

LARGE CHART...


The information I have states that the construction project to completion cost under $10 million (USD equiv.). The transportation of nearly 100% available seed samples committed to the vault at present (2 million samples) estimated costs are around $1/sample, therefore around $2 million.

Upkeep of the facility (its to be unmanned by any personnel) must be extremely minimal per year, even at worst case, factoring in the first 1-2 years with additional expenses, the costs look to be proverbial drops in a proverbial bucket.

So therefore:

$10m - Construction
$2m - Transport of Seeds
$2m - Fiscal yr. 1 operating costs (est.)
$1m - Fiscal yr. 2 operating costs (est.)

Excellent, well put together post! But where's the part that justifies the thread title? Where's the conspiracy? I've read many seed-vault conspiracy threads, and whilst none of them present the scale of research shown here, they generally do present some information or theories as to why 'they know something we don't'. I'd be very interested in battlestargalactica's personal thoughts and theories as to why this is a conspiracy.

Regarding the location of the seed-vault, over in Scott Creighton's forum Scott has mentioned a couple of times that if the earth's axis or plain of orbit were to become displaced by a catastrophe, then places that were one cold become hot, and vice versa. If there is a conspiracy, maybe the seed-vault has been strategically placed so as to end up neared the equator after a global catastrophe. Indeed, Scott presents some compelling evidence to suggest that the Giza pyramids contain coded information pertaining to Giza's previous latitude/longitude position before the last catastrophe of this type.

I tend to agree with that surmise. If say North America became the next arctic, then norway, which is on the opposite side would become the next mediterranian area. That being said, africa would become the south pole, and antartica would become the new "south America" area. I think that it would be beneficial for the elite to have this in a "temperate" zone. Additionally, with the lowered population in Europe then most other worlds, combined with the aged population that would most likely die of. This would leave plenty of land, and a temperate climate to grow the food stuffs to help the moles live comfortably, as they rebuilt there area of the world. Coincidently, Have you ever wondered why the elites just throw token amounts of money at africa? could it be that its gonna become the next Antartica? Why bother? Just some thoughts.

Camain

For one, I highly doubt they'd publicize it if it was conspiracy, don't let your minds go wild sometimes with things and start small before you want to hit everything with a conspiracy hammer.

Excellent post battlestargalactica!!!
a star and flag

well researched thread, and thought provoking also...
i read other threads on this but your also gives some genuine thoughts and questions... I am smelling what you are trying to say here...

seems like most of the countries have the idea and they are supporting the cause... which we general public o not know?? may spread mass hysteria??

If the seed vault is an instrument of some kind of vast conspiracy then why didn't they just keep it secret? I mean if "they" can keep underground bases and 14,000 mph transit systems, moon bases, interstellar alien visitation, Martian civilizations, 9/11, Atlantis and all that jazz secret then surely they could keep a small, isolated seed bank in the arctic circle under wraps if they wanted to.
I think the seed bank is just good science, and a prudent insurance policy.

Ok, so is this a private vault? Or is it for humanity?

If it is private, I understand the 'bunker buster' bomb talk, but if it is for the future of humanity, wouldn't it currently be sitting there 'unlocked'?

I am not saying that anyone should go there and check it out or anything, it is just that I don't really get it. Yeah, sure its a good idea to protect the seeds in a vault. So lets say something bad happens on earth, all the seeds will be locked up in Norway, somebody will have to go get them. Who is that somebody?

Do you get what I am saying? Its the conspiracy of who hold the keys so to speak. Because whoever holds the keys will hold the power once all the Monsanto crops get swept by a blight because they have no diversity or heritage in their genes. All too much the same.

DocMoreau

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thats kinda what I was thinking.

The article above says it has two blast proof doors etc.

SOOO...if a doomsday scenario presents itself and the remaining people alive find the vault how do they get it open? In other words can anyone just open this thing up?

I see this as a big question to answer, because if joe monsanto ends up at the bottom of a asteroid crater and hes got the only garage door opener then how are we gettin in there?

great post OP we can all tell you put allot of effort into it!!

Yes they know that one day we will need this resource. Good planning IMHO. Just in case a rock the size of Kansas hits us while we are looking the other way. Hope whoever survives after such a event has the ability to get to this seed bank, and get into it. Hope we never get invaded by some bird alien things.....would be heaven for em.

[edit on 27-3-2008 by TXMACHINEGUNDLR]

First off, magnificent post BSG, truly impressive and beautifully presented.

To those who argue that you should not publicize this if you are conspiring, the answer is of course, what better place is there to hide your secret than in plain sight?

That said, this seed bank seems most likely to be what it is stated it is, an insurance policy, and I'm frankly surprised it has such a small capacity. It makes me wonder if we don't have something of our own lurking under a mountain somewhere, like StratCom or other gov't doomsday facilities.

Also, this may be insurance against unforeseen disasters related to GMFs; which I've already seen reported as being unstable and mutating in unforeseen and potentially devastating ways. Locking away unadulterated seeds is a wise move in this light as well. (Thanks, Monsanto.)

Originally posted by ambushrocks
Somehow it reminds me of a japanese animation I once saw. There was a spaceship that also contained things from earth and they sparked it to live and created a new earth after the original one was lost.

The anime your thinking of is Spriggan. It was a (alien/futuristic) ark, which destroys the earth to create a new earth.

Just wanted to clear that up.

The vault is made for everything, everybody is talking about. To genetically modify the food and have a back-up to fall back on, if something doesn't go according to plan, to protect the seeds from a catastrophe... like the escalation of wars (I think, they are preparing for a nuclear war, which is more probable than possible, and after all, they started construction when the tension started to rise) and any future asteroid that MIGHT hit Earth (more possible than probable ) and any future ice ages that might happen (probable and possible )

I've presented my OP without presenting bias or my own CT concerning the subject so that others would be able to clearly form their own theories and ideas without being biased my own. A few posts back, I then stated a scenario, call it scenario #1 of a possible reason 'behind' the seed bank, of course the seed bank may not have any nefarious purpose, that may be its own scenario as well. I'll present another scenario, #2:

SCENARIO #2

(my conjecture only)

Let's say a government wanted a quick, easy and cheap way to get all of the crop biodiversity of the worlds seeds together in one place, what would be the best way to accomplish that? Well, by publicizing it as a world benefit, by keeping it in the open, and by having the worlds countries openly and publicly support it. In this way the world would actively send the World Seed Bank their collections of seed samples.

In the past, some have been sending 'seed hunters' abroad to collect seed samples from thousands of varieties of food crop seeds. This method proves to be quite fruitless, time consuming, and not very effective.

There are thousands of scattered seed vaults around the world, containing thousands of seed samples, each having their own uniqueness. The Svalbard seed vault project allows the gathering of all of these other seed vaults not by force, but by openly volunteering these seed samples.

For what reason?

Let's say you're a farmer that specializes in unique and rare varieties of growing certain apples for instance. The main reason you (the farmer) keeps on growing these rare apple varieties is that no one else is growing or even have the seed stock to plant, and you being a conservator of sorts, want to keep the legacy and the variety alive.

Some growers continue to raise many of the old varieties-such as potatoes being sold by a woman in Cuzco, Peru (above)-in the regions where they originated. These pockets of traditional agriculture thus serve as natural repositories for the diverse genes of land races and their wild forebears.

www.uga.edu...

Now comes a World Seed Bank, ensuring the survival of your particular apple variety for eternity, the pressure may appear to you to be off of your shoulders to keep on planting this apple, thus ensuring its survival.

This may be one of the reasons for the seed bank to exist, consolidate the seed, hold the main bulk of remaining seed varieties on the planet, and genetically map all of these seed samples as well.

In the coming future, many of these other seed vaults (scattered around the world) may disappear, be destroyed (by warfare, natural disasters, floods, fires, or simply mis-management, power outages etc) and the largest remaining seed vault will be on Svalbard, Norway.

Having this resource, this power may then turn this 'public' project into something else, possibly something that it was planned to be from the start.

Look at Google, they consolidate ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, one has to ask why, is it for the good of mankind? Or is it purely for profits? Or are there underlying reasons as well...

Google Maps

Google Scholar - Scientific papers

Google Email (gmail) - Scans each piece of email that you receive

Google Video/ Youtube

Google Images - Pics cataloged and labeled (tags)

Google Image Labeler- images.google.com...

Google News

Google Reader

Google Finance

Google Groups

So once you have this information (in googles case) or all the worlds seeds (in the Global Seed Vaults case) I assert that this means power for the organization, extreme amounts of power, not realized now, but in the coming uncertain future, lots of power, held by one trust, in an impenetrable arctic fortress, under a frozen mountain. Any thoughts?


[edit on 27-3-2008 by battlestargalactica]

Just some quick thoughts on this but have not read all of the OP's information in this thread.. but here are my thoughts so far....

Having seen a couple UFO triangles, and believe me, one has to see it for themselves to really believe we have it and that we've already got technology "that's out of this world" yet also watching a couple of military jets flying after them and wondering what the heck? if those triangles are ours, why are our jets chasing after them!!

So someone says that it's all about compartmentalization and our military is cut off from those covert agencies who are producing such advanced technology as UFO triangles.

Ok.. but that's really unsettling when you think about it and it confirms just how deeply covert those agencies are!

Anyway, the reason why I'm bringing this up is that, at least in my mind, it seems very apparent that there's an elite culture out their that uses technology that's far more advanced than what's known to the general public.

But has this secret elite society used their advanced technology to find out that something soon is going to happen where maybe even two-thirds of the world's population will be wiped out? A natural catastrophe like a known or unknown Super-volcano that they found out is going to explode sometime within the next few years? If they have the technology to build what we saw silently hovering over the lake in broad daylight and then zipping off like star wars, wouldn't it make sense that they also have the knowledge, resources and technology to detect when one of those Super-volcanoes are going to erupt? I would think so.

Ok, so maybe people do donate millions and millions of dollars out of their own pockets for a seed bank just for their own concern that future generations to come will have that available should something big happen where they will need it. But knowing what I already know, I too am very concerned why they built this seed bank and the location of it speaks volumes. I'm sensing a tremendous amt. of urgency to coordinate this seed project and it's sending up red flags all over the place!

I don't know what the "powers that be" know but whatever it is... the vast majority of humanity remains in the dark about it.



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It appears they are so spiritually blinded they seem to think they will overthrow the creator at Armageddon.

They've probably got some wild idea of replanting the earth, or whatever is left of it with what's contained in the vault.

People including the kings of the earth are too dead to realize that in GOD we live move and have our being. How could they possibly be moron enough to think they can overthrow him, plant their seeds and live happily ever after?

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There is nothing sinister going on. Those involved can see what many are denying or are too greedy and selfish to do anything about:

1. We are consuming the worlds resources faster than it can replace them.
2. We are permanently destroying vast areas of flora just to grow monocrops (rapeseed, soya etc) without even cataloguing what the area holds! Dumb beyond comprehension that one.
3. We are introducing sterile crops as basic staple food sources. But as long as Monsanto et al make a profit its ok?!?!?
4. Global warming is causing floral patterns to change.

We need to protect what we have until the human race can get its act together and stop destroying the world just so that a few people can live in temporary luxury.

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They know something you don't know, that's for sure: that seeds are vital to the survival of humanity whether Planet X shows up and smacks into us or not. With GM crops being sewn around the world, keeping a clean supply of natural seeds is of vital importance, should one of the GM'd strains accidentally wipe out a type of grain.

It makes sense to have a doomsday vault of seeds whether you expect a doomsday or not. It's better to have one and not need it than the other way round, especially with something so important as the future of humanity.

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Thanks for the Vault plan. I live in Scotland where we have recumbent stone circles pointing to various astronomical points. From the plan, the Svalbard Vault tunnel is dead north-south. It was opened on Feb 26 - the first day the suns rises after the arctic winter night. On that day the sun rises and sets dead south.

The seed is placed to the south in the Vault and could be a `pure' offering: no GM seed, no patented seed. A bit like the ice maidens in the National Geographic film in the Andes.

The Vault plan also shows an inclined tunnel. I can't work out the slope from the spot heights - but seems around 8 degrees down from the entrance which is dead north. At that latitude there will be midnight sun in summer. With vault doors open, the sun will shine straight down the inclined tunnel at midnight on two days of the year, either side of midsummer.

Can anyone go further on this? Which days, and are they significant? Have we got a bit of sun worship here?

As to conspiracies: the vast bulk of the millions of seed samples in the Vault will have to placed in a UN Seed Treaty (there is a depositor agreement Article 7 that says so). So the UN will control a seed monopoly - including all the stuff from the USDA paid for with taxpayers' dollars. I'd rather store seed under the bed.

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Thats an interesting insight into this facility and project location. I really haven't delved into that aspect but it certainly seems interesting.

Have you done any other studies of the construction site of interest, I would love to hear some more, thanks.