FBI Sets up Fake Child Porn Links That if Clicked Trigger Armed Raids on Users

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
The worrying part abut this is what if someone used a script to redirect someone to one of these links? For example i could write a small piece of code claiming to link to a picture of britney spears, someone would click it and be redirected to one of these sick links. What happens then?

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[edit on 24-3-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

I would hope that it would be more then just "Click a link" and BAM!! your arrested. As stated a many times in this thread, the link can be hidden and accidently clicked.

Surely they would have to make the "supposed child porn site" harder to access... for example...
-When you click the link your taken to the site where you have a disclaimer and have to click "Not Over 18" or "Im Over 18" to confirm your age

or

-Just like other Free porn sites, have to give your credit card details to Confirm your over 18.

In that case there would be no doubt that your intentions where to look at that child porn site and would make the FBI's case against that person stronger.

I get alot of annoying Spyware ads pop-up to porn sites on my pc (although i do clean my pc of spyware and adware whenever i can), and that doesnt automatically class me as a Porno watcher. If i click the "ENTER" or "Im over 18" buttons on the site then thats a different story, and thats how it should be with this child porn setups if it where to be put online as links and such.

My 2cents worth anyway.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I would love to create a spyware script that would edit someone's host table to associate google.com with the IP of these kiddy porn sites and watch people's houses get raided all across the country.

"But officer.... I was just googling myself, I swear!"

You would love to do that? My entire working life has been spent working against people like you, malicious computer users. I find t sickening you think it's funny to ave someone you maybe don't even know arrested for such a crime, what if they kiled themseleves out of sheer shame of the accusation! Seek help you need it.

I suppose i should weigh in here with an experience i had once. I love online strategy games, i'm not sure i can mention the names of them as it might be considered advertising and again the ATS rules. You know the kind of game though, you have tanks and soldiers and you send them against another person, battle of wits etc.

One day i was on a forum about the game, searching for tips and tricks about how to best use certain units with their abilities, i clicked a link talking about a certain tank unit and guess what opened up, the poster had put up a sick picture of a very young child. I immediately reported it but look at it this way, that was now in my browser history! What if someone less tech savvy didn't know that, then one day they click this link and when their house is raided that picture is there, sitting in their web history?

It is horribly easy to accidentily stumble across such things online, when found you should report them as fast as you can (i believe the FBI has a way you can report websites). However the honey trap idea is flawed because of that, it's flawed because an inexperienced user could come accross this stuff, even experienced users do sometimes.

Originally posted by LI(f)E.
I would hope that it would be more then just "Click a link" and BAM!! your arrested. As stated a many times in this thread, the link can be hidden and accidently clicked.

Surely they would have to make the "supposed child porn site" harder to access... for example...
-When you click the link your taken to the site where you have a disclaimer and have to click "Not Over 18" or "Im Over 18" to confirm your age

Sadly no, it is just a click, the article if you read it states clearly that the FBI are not tracking where you came from, so they wouldn't know you've been redirected. A user has had their account deleted here on ATS because they linked directly to the website and disguised the link as something else. Some people have clicked it, hopefully it's not an active honeypot.

I could write a pretty simple piece of code to take over your computer automatically and click through the links, it's not that hard. Once you understand the internet and you know about viruses and tojans well enough to write one yourself, then you understand just how dangerous this kind of website is.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by jackinthebox
Pedophilia is not a crime, it is a mental disorder. But who cares about civil rights now anyway?

Technically you are correct, if someone has thoughts about a child but never acts upon them by either physically abusing a child or downloading pornography then they cannot and should not be arrested. Whilst it is horrible to think someone would even have these thougts if they don't act upon them they should not be arrested.

Is it a mental disorder though? Would you call being homosexual a mental disorder? Is being straight a sexual disorder? It is afterall a sexual preference, it's a tricky one to argue over, is a sexual preference a mental disorder?

Although i would like to agree with you, whats to say that in the future, the same person that changed his mind the first time, will go on to commit a act with a minor or worse?

I'm not saying anyone who seriously thinks about doing something like that should be locked up/ arrested or put on a pedophile list, but I do believe something should be done....maybe make them get help or go to therapy and such.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Sadly no, it is just a click, the article if you read it states clearly that the FBI are not tracking where you came from, so they wouldn't know you've been redirected. A user has had their account deleted here on ATS because they linked directly to the website and disguised the link as something else. Some people have clicked it, hopefully it's not an active honeypot.

I could write a pretty simple piece of code to take over your computer automatically and click through the links, it's not that hard. Once you understand the internet and you know about viruses and tojans well enough to write one yourself, then you understand just how dangerous this kind of website is.

Your right, it is dangerous,and i cant understand how a court could allow this to happen. Brings up the questions.....Have we ever had any rights?

Chromatico, even tho you have been banned at this point, I still feel the need to bring this up, in case you re lurking and reading anyway. No one has any sympathy for child molesters. We all have sympathy for our rights. Every day I hear people talking about how child molesters should be shot on sight, no questions asked, no trial, save the taxpayers intantly. Sounds great yes? No it does not.

Here is why. When you take away the rights of one group, you make it easier to take away the rights of another, then another, untill it snowballs and none of us have rights. I would rather evil discusting human parasites have some rights then none of us have any at all.

reply to post by just_julie

WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY is that it gives police a REASON to want to search someones house.

Why even bother with a "reason" at this point? What we have here is not a reason, its an excuse.

I DO NOT LOOK AT PORN let alone kiddie porn so I dont know how easy it is to "accidently" click on a website that would have kiddie porn on it.

It makes no difference wether or not you look at porn. Point one, porn is not illegal (though some clearly is and with good reason.) Point two, you don't have to be looking at porn to accidentally click a link, as been made all too clear in this very thread.

How long the damage lasts IS MY BUSINESS TO JUDGE seeing as though I was a victim as a child.

Best of luck in your healing process. I myself was lucky in that my own victimization as a child was not violent, and I have therefore been able to come to terms with it without great difficulty.

Do you really think the FBI is setting this up just to annoy YOU and A FEW OTHERS, or just to "stick their noses" into other peoples business???

Yes.

reply to post by LI(f)E.

Although i would like to agree with you, whats to say that in the future, the same person that changed his mind the first time, will go on to commit a act with a minor or worse?

Anyone is capable of, murder for example. Should we lock up everyone just because they might one day commit murder? Should we treat give everyone mental conditioning to be sure they never kill? Where do you draw the line?

Directly associating pedopophilia with criminal activity is precisely why people with the persuasion don't seek out methods or assistance to ensure prevention of criminal activity. In fact, I have a suspicion that pedophilia might actually be a sort of "Freudian" mental affliction brought about by the simple flaw that exists in all of our minds, which is wanting what is forbidden.

I'm not saying anyone who seriously thinks about doing something like that should be locked up/ arrested or put on a pedophile list, but I do believe something should be done....maybe make them get help or go to therapy and such.

What should be done, is to stop compounding the problem by driving it further underground, and instead expose it to the light of day. You can't force people to be "helped" in this, any more than you can froce the alcoholic to actually want to stop drinking. They have to decide for themselves, and have that help available to them without judgement.

If, as a few people on here have claimed, the FBI were NOT interested in prosecuting truly innocent people, why was the link removed by the moderators?

If there is no danger of being searched/arrested/prosecuted for going to that site without "clicking all the links", where is the harm of leaving it there?

Those that say "Good for the FBI" are ignorant and naive. The common act of a link saying one thing, and linking to another HAS BECOME SO COMMON IN ONE PARTICULAR INSTANCE THAT IT IS GIVEN A NAME: RICK-ROLLED.

I see that no one took me up on the offer of going to that link, and presenting screenshots of it, so as to show how confident you are in the FBI's ability to weed out "guilty" people from innocent people.

Since you naysayers (about how dangerous this is) are all gung-ho on the FBI being the guys in white hats, go ahead and go to that site. You have the advantage of KNOWING it's not child porno. Think that defense will help with your neighbors when the accusation comes out? "But Mr. Smith, I was just showing the point that we have nothing to fear from the FBI, that's why they let me go!" "Right, Ms. Molester. Now get the hell away from my kids, before I blow your brains out!"

What's the first thing told to would-be attorneys in law school? "The law is about what's legal, and what is not. It is not about justice." Ask any attorney if you think that is an exaggeration.

So many of you have refused to see the point in how innocent people could be recorded as having "visited" that link, in such easily understood terms, that I cannot but help think you are actually FBI agents/informants. If not, I have serious, serious doubts as to our long-term viability as a species.

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I for one, would greatly appreciate it if a SITE ADMIN would step in here and give us some more information at this point.

reply to post by jackinthebox


I see your point. It is indeed a interesting topic.

I also would like to hear what the admin have to say about it....

But do you think the FBI should be concentrating their time and resources on catching people who make Kiddy porn, catch and shutdown websites which have kiddy porn on them?

Wouldnt that reduce so called "predators" by removing the candy from in font of their eyes?

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Whoah there Captain Overreaction, or rather Captain Missed The Point!

I don't create spyware or any other kind of malware. I only pointed out that it could be done. And the reason I would love to do it is to show the overly intrusive police state that this nation is becoming that such tactics are pointless and a waste of manpower. Imagine if they got a false positive with 4 out of 5 raids? There would be such a public backlash against this method that it would be thrown out the window.

Be careful when you rant on and on about 'people like me' would you?

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
So many of you have refused to see the point in how innocent people could be recorded as having "visited" that link, in such easily understood terms, that I cannot but help think you are actually FBI agents/informants. If not, I have serious, serious doubts as to our long-term viability as a species.

Well, I commented the same back on about page 19, not about the link but the shills. I find it hard to believe that that many stupid naive types hang out at ATS, thus I think there must be FBI shills or at the very least wannabes that are filling this thread with dis-info.

There are at least a few posters that meet this criteria, especially in the early pages which has the effect of keeping many from reading this thread because it's become so bloated with the circular SOS.

Blah blah blah I was molested and therefore I agree with putting all of America in prison, so there are not the chance for anyone else to go through what I have blah blah blah. I don't believe it.

Blah blah blah all you critics of the FBI must be child molesters or criminals - blah blah blah. That SOS was used to plug up my thread about "Twisted justice & NBC's Predator show".

We all have had life lessons and some of them weren't pretty, but we all don't run around trying to destroy the basic principles that make our country great. Doesn't makes sense.


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reply to post by LI(f)E.

But do you think the FBI should be concentrating their time and resources on catching people who make Kiddy porn, catch and shutdown websites which have kiddy porn on them?

This is the FBI we're talking about here. Personally, I think it is a massive waste of resources to be going after the "nickel-baggers" of the illegal porn industry. It's clearly an exercise in deflection. Why aren't they applying all of their resources to the real problem, instead of "shooting in the dark." Sounds to me they don't really want to find the truth at best, or are hiding the truth at worst.

In the end though, I really have no problem with them going after anyone who has anything to do with kiddy-porn, so long as there is reasonable cause to believe that the subject constitutes a threat to the safety of children.



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I wish I could star you again.

[edit on 3/28/0808 by jackinthebox]

I don't like kiddie porn and I wonder about those who do. Nonetheless this bothers me. I think the police practice of entrapping men who want sex with teen girls is oily and wrong. So is procecuting a guy who clicks on a kiddie porn link. They have the cart before the horse. Why not aggressively prosecute the people who MAKE kiddie porn? As someone ventured earlier all this could be a vehicle for advancing the big brother state. Who in his right mind would defend terrorism or kiddie porn? Therefore ALL efforts to fight these two evils must be good, and anyone who protests is as good as advocating these evils. It seems the desire of adults to have sexual relations with children is waxing. Can't we do some research and find why this is? Discover the root cause and go from there.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

Whoah there Captain Overreaction, or rather Captain Missed The Point!

I think i see the point far more clearly than you do from what you posted.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I don't create spyware or any other kind of malware. I only pointed out that it could be done. And the reason I would love to do it is to show the overly intrusive police state that this nation is becoming that such tactics are pointless and a waste of manpower. Imagine if they got a false positive with 4 out of 5 raids? There would be such a public backlash against this method that it would be thrown out the window.

Really? Wel hang on what you said before was

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I would love to create a spyware script that would edit someone's host table to associate google.com with the IP of these kiddy porn sites and watch people's houses get raided all across the country.

Now the way you put it makes it sound like you could do it and would do it. More importantly even if you did it to raise awareness and mess up the operation, you think it's ok to wreck these peoples lives to prove that point? Furthermore the operation wuldn't be scrapped, i could see the FBI just claiming it was a massive success and caught loads of paedophiles trying to access this pornography.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Be careful when you rant on and on about 'people like me' would you?

I think you need to be careful what you post, expect me to rant at someone who says

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I would love to create a spyware script that would edit someone's host table to associate google.com with the IP of these kiddy porn sites and watch people's houses get raided all across the country.

I will rant all day and night at somene who is so careless with their words and finds such ideas entertaining.

[edit on 28-3-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

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[edit on 28-3-2008 by C0le]

Originally posted by LI(f)E.
reply to post by jackinthebox

 

But do you think the FBI should be concentrating their time and resources on catching people who make Kiddy porn, catch and shutdown websites which have kiddy porn on them?

This is my whole arguement, we need an international agreement from all ISP's that any child pornography can be removed instantly if a government body requests the ISP to do it. Then all ip addresses who accessed these real illegal sites (which usually request payment) could be logged and researched, this would catch far more real paedophiles and also reduce the revenue that the makers of this sick porn can get.

Sadly with the advent of P2P software the majority of these people will move with the times, if you have ever downloaded anything from bittorrent you will maybe knwo that you can get private torrents. These can be encrypted and only passed between certain ip addresses. To know these addresses you need to be on the inner circle and trusted in these sick web rings. This is where the FBI should concentrate their searches, they could catch so many people actually creating this horrible media.

They would be catching prolific offenders who don't just abuse one child but actively seek many more children they can abuse, record and sell online. These are the people we need to concentrate on becuase once we have them they will happily give up their networks for leniency. I dont think we should give them any real leniency but if we can catch an entire network and in return make their life sentence a little nicer then ok, it's an evil i'll accept.

I can just see it now. A new wave of "tiny url" links. If you don't know what they are they completely void any intent claim here.

They've been going around for a while where they link to the FBI site with the search "Child Porn".

People mass spam them through viruses/trojans and they go out to contacts on IM lists. So you think they are legit. Not to mention the ability to hide link titles (hover title) and disguise them as something they aren't with basic html and even BBCode.

This is a terrible idea. They should focus on taking down the creators. I'd be willing to pay extra taxes on bringing down the people who make this crap. Trapping people who have a good chance of being innocent is not solving the issue.

Why is everyone supportive of something that doesn't solve the issue at hand? It just increases the prison numbers.

I remember when my computer was hijacked and went to several sites I did not click on and I had trouble stopping it. I also remember a few times I clicked on something half asleep thinking it was something else but I was redirected to something totally different. A number of times I have clicked on an item thinking it was one thing but it turned out to be a link to something different. If I'm ever on a jury and the only evidence they have is that a person clicked on a link. He's innocent as far as I'm concerned. That is not enough evidence. I do not believe anyone should be convicted of any crime because of something they happened to see while surfing the net.

Now if they contact the people they think are underage and attempt a sexual contact, then they can be nabbed. If the FBI are prosecuting just because someone clicked on a link, I think the FBI should be prosecuted and people should get fired and locked up within that organization for crimes against our constitution.