Global warming ended in 1998!!!!!!

Originally posted by razor1000
also i was wondering what are you basing your statements on is it on research or your own personal opinion. if its on science then perhaps you should read this article.

www.theaustralian.news.com.au...

when even science cant make up its own mind about it how can you?

i do believe that we should take care of our world but i also believe that we should take care not to get carried away in sensationalism of any kind.

Ok, let me break it down for you.
What is smog? Is it a greenhouse gas? Is it a byproduct of clearcutting our land and having too much CO2 in the air to be processed? Is it because farmers and cattle ranchers aren't keeping the growing numbers of their heard in check, resulting in a highened level of methane and CO2? Perhaps a volcano somewhere in the world went off that we don't know about and these clouds just coalesce over crowded urban centers like a magnet to asphalt.

The migratory patterns of flocking birds have changed, and their numbers diminished? Maybe the birds have gotten lazy because they realise humans need the airspace for the airbusses & jet planes, and the sky ain't big enough for everybody.

What ever happened to the good old days when a group of surfers could hang out at the surf and ride the waves? Why are so many public beaches off limits and cordonned off deemed as safety hazards? I guess maybe the whales and fish need someplace to defecate so those are the places of choice, after all, that's where a lot of them turn out belly-up!

Nobody is to blame, it's just a natural cycle. Populations of threatened wildlife will eventually rebound, and the bald eagle will make a harrowing come-back.

Lets blame it on bacteria and algea! That sounds safe to me.

good to know that global warming ended in the HOTTEST YEAR ever recorded in human history... *whew* oh and not to mention that 7 of the all time hottest years have been since then as well..

we have one cool La nina year and everyone is running around saying it's over?
get a grip...

more ATS disinfo....

(oh.. and saying that something has plateaued after the hottest year ever ISN'T cooling.. tards)

So, am I correct in pointing out that we appear to have a consensus that a climate shift is happening but no one can definitively state what is going to happen to us?

Warmer, colder, wetter, dryer, more or less ozone, reptilian overlords, etc.

Can all the weather control technology I have been hearing about lessen the pain? Chemtrails, HAARP,anything?

Originally posted by Maxmars
Chemtrails, HAARP,anything?

Let's say Chemtrails prove to be an affective approach to "combating" climate change. That opens the door to a bunch of other potential problems that could result from the use. Cancer, damage to crops, contamination to atmospheric moisture, super powers, who knows..

Yeah I am not a science dude

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the polar ice caps would be melting either way...ice can only stay frozen for so long...its inevitable!

Despite all the political stereotyping and uninformed conclusions going on here, its still open to debate whether (weather) global warming exists or not and if it exists, to what extent it exists and what the consequences are.

List of scientists who deny global warming

Since we havent been paying attention to it for spans of hundreds of years, we cant be entirely certain whether cooling and warming is natural and cyclic or not.

Originally posted by PimpyMcgibbins
the polar ice caps would be melting either way...ice can only stay frozen for so long...its inevitable!

What's that supposed to mean?

If they melt too fast, and how they melt, is a legitmate concern for the saftey of humanity.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Since we havent been paying attention to it for spans of hundreds of years, we cant be entirely certain whether cooling and warming is natural and cyclic or not.

That's not entirely true. Ice core drilling has been going on for some time now and can take a look at what the atmosphere was like over a hundred thousand years ago.

Tree ring data can tell us about the previous few thousand years as well.

The data collected allows scientists to measure the atmosphere of the past. Its quite ground-breaking science.

Fossils can be studied as well, but I'm not sure how accurate it is.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Since we havent been paying attention to it for spans of hundreds of years, we cant be entirely certain whether cooling and warming is natural and cyclic or not.

I am kinda out of the loop I know, but I thought the general accepted idea is that there is natural cyclic global warming and cooling. I thought the only thing in question was the extent of each cycle, and the extent of mankinds 'contribution'?

So. Is it global warming right now, global cooling right now, or global neutral right now?

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Originally posted by biggie smalls
That's not entirely true. Ice core drilling has been going on for some time now and can take a look at what the atmosphere was like over a hundred thousand years ago.

If you can add some data on how this research educates us about an unnatural increase in temperature over long time-spans, go ahead.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

I am kinda out of the loop I know, but I thought the generall accepted idea is that there is natural cyclic global warming and cooling. I thouht the only thing in question was the extent of each cycle, and the extent of mankinds 'contribution'?

So. Is it global warming right now, global cooling right now, or global neutral right now?

I dont know. Thats what I hope to learn here...without all the noise of "final conclusions" and politics.

I dont know. Thats what I hope to learn here...without all the noise of "final conclusions" and politics.

Well those are my sentiments, sounds good to me. I just don't want my friends and my plants to die. That's my interest and concern in all this GW/CC stuff.

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Nothing in the data points to anthropocentric climate change or natural cycles. I was merely pointing out that scientists are studying past atmospheric composition.

In about 15 to 20 years, there will nolonger be a polar ice cap on the north pole. The Iceland glaciers are receding at an unprecedented rate. The sea level will continue to rise, and drown out Japan, Great Britain, Indonesia, Hawaii, and most of northern Canada.

According to the IPCC it will be over 11,000 years before the ice sheet on Greenland will melt. Do not be so alarmist.

Honey Bees are just dormant, they're not actually dying off?

Bees... I recently read an article about the bee populations and what is ailing them. CCD (Colony Collapse Disorder) seems to be the culprit. LINK

As for Global Warming ending in 1998.... technically.... sure.

I think the answer for all of this lies in Research and Development. Having a Carbon Tax and other various international credit programs will prove to be a waste of money and manpower. We should deal with the problems we have NOW like starvation, HIV, malaria, indoor air pollution, clean water, safe housing and creating industry and infrastructure in third world nations. The West is hell-bent on pulling up the ladder in the third world and I think we should embrace their want to modernize.

I am sick of the elitist attitude some have that tribal and small (impoverished) town life is 'quaint' and should be cherished. Whether I believe in ACC or not, I think that many governments and corporations in the west are using it to curb growth in the third world. These same governments and corporations have used their propaganda machines to influence public opinion to think that this will all happen next year. Even the IPCC does not support this claim, on the contrary, they show the change to gradual and manageable.

good to know that global warming ended in the HOTTEST YEAR ever recorded in human history... *whew* oh and not to mention that 7 of the all time hottest years have been since then as well..

1934 is the hottest year according to some.NASA being one of those.

Did I miss a reply to my earlier request/question?

The article states they used 2002 as a "reference point". So what does the data really look like for 2003+

What does that article actually mean when it says Global Warming ended in 98? I am guessing it suggests 1) it acknowledges Global Warming was real, but is now over? 2) post 98 we entered Global Cooling? I'm just trying to understand the viewpoint of this article.

Originally posted by DINSTAAR

According to the IPCC it will be over 11,000 years before the ice sheet on Greenland will melt. Do not be so alarmist.

Well, I beg to differ. I'm at a loss to what the IPCC is, but in the next 20-30 years, the polar ice cap will have melted. If you insist on calling me a liar then we'll just agree to disagree.

As for Global Warming ending in 1998.... technically.... sure.

The trend of global warming is an ebb and flow. It reaches peeks and lulls, so 1998, 2001, 2005.. or whichever year you choose to base your studies on will draw you to that conclusion.

I think the answer for all of this lies in Research and Development. Having a Carbon Tax and other various international credit programs will prove to be a waste of money and manpower. We should deal with the problems we have NOW like starvation, HIV, malaria, indoor air pollution, clean water, safe housing and creating industry and infrastructure in third world nations. The West is hell-bent on pulling up the ladder in the third world and I think we should embrace their want to modernize.

Now that's a view I'll side with. It's the right thing to do, but politicians aren't ready to cooperate for whatever reason. Old truces, embargos.. whatever, they seem to be comfortable with the way things are.

Originally posted by rossjd
The ABC program was called 'Counterpoint' and it is an extreme right wing show. Supposedly for balance.
They get a lot of looneys on air.

Yeah, thats its it....counterpoint = extreme right wing. Any opinion "other" than your own must be an extreme right wing looney!

And look who the kettle is calling black. How ignorant of anyone to equate the "other" side with being an extreme right anything just becasue they disagree with you!!!! Udder insanity

Originally posted by jimmyx
reply to post by traderonwallst

 

since you seem to know so much about "normal heating and cooling periods" of the earth, then of course there is no man-made temperture change, and all of the thousands of scientists that say we have global warming are just a bunch of liberal whack jobs protecting their grant money.

They are finally getting it!!!!!!! Its finally sinking in. See what hapens when you educate yourselves and THINK for yourself and stop spitting back the drivel Algore feeds his lemmings!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Since we havent been paying attention to it for spans of hundreds of years, we cant be entirely certain whether cooling and warming is natural and cyclic or not.

I am kinda out of the loop I know, but I thought the general accepted idea is that there is natural cyclic global warming and cooling. I thought the only thing in question was the extent of each cycle, and the extent of mankinds 'contribution'?

So. Is it global warming right now, global cooling right now, or global neutral right now?

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Actually they like to use the term Climate Change now. Global warming could not be used to explain everything, so they broadened their target to complain about everything. If it snows 1 day past the the historical norm......ITS CLIMATE CHANGE. If its 1 degree warmer it Climate Change. It rains a little longer than normal....its climate change. If the wind blows a little harder....you got it...Climate change. No matter what happens.....some needs to be blamed...just don't blame mother nature, ya can't sue her!

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You're pretty sure of the fact than the industry has nothing to do with the degradation of atmospheric conditions. You'll probably argue that the rate at which the ice in antarctica is melting will cease, and at anytime should start to build back up to greater levels of thickness. Who is going to reverse the current trend? You??

news.bbc.co.uk...
nsidc.org...

The links here are from a quick search on google. Ice shelves that have built up over thousands of years now melt to expose underlying bedrock in a span of less than 50 years. You say you actually think that global warming isn't taking place? You're gonna sit there, and write in this forum, that globally, with ice melting everywhere from the coldest reaches of the earth to the highest mountain peaks, that this is simply a natural cycle that will evetually rebound? The audacity you have to denounce the research that Al Gore and other environmental scientists have made, and write that it is a big farse, is just incredible.

I believe it's important for people to be aware of how serious this problem is, compounded by the collosal pollution of the atmosphere. It's people like you who make the road to change in policy that much more difficult.

To say there's no enough evidence to go either way, just suggests that the only research you do is by watching TV, whatever the media networks want you to see. The media is supported by the commercials of the oil and chemical companies responsible withholding empirical data and evidence to support claims that a serious problem is looming. The media will never bite the hand that feeds them, so they'll put tame, short-sighten scientists on the air claiming that there's really nothing to worry about, and these natural cycles happen all the time; giving you a few facts and figures so you yourself can parrot to others whatever you may think you have learned.

So go ahead, continue with your ridicule if it makes you feel secure.
You are wrong, and you need to acknowledge what is really going on, and get out of the way so other, more broad-minded people can push for a momentum to change government policy.