Are Atheists Air Brushing History?

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
It was from an Atheist Blogger, Austine Cline, who writes for About.com. He wrote a cute little piece of atheistic apologetics about how atheism never hurt a fly. I studied his avoidance tactics. I noticed how carefully he defined Atheism to avoid taking responsibility for what that view entails. That is just the "airbrushing" in advance...

You're using him as your end all be all example of atheists as a whole??? I assure you he doesn't speak for the whole of atheism, no matter what he said.

And that is his business how? To tell people how to raise their children?

Doesn't the Bible tell you how to raise your children? How can you tell somebody they're wrong for saying people should raise their children a certain way if you base your faith on what somebody else has told you? I'm not necessarily saying he was right, but your argument seems a tad bit hypocritical...

Since the color of the sky doesn't involve the dismantling of the entire moral framework of society, then no it doesn't qualify you. But Dawkins does want to do that hence RADICAL.

What ever did people do for morals before God came along? You're suggesting that morals only come from God, an argument I've debated many a time with you in a thread prior and that I still fail to see how your logic is...well, logical. Atheists can, in fact, have morals, too.

It should be noted that Dawkins is criticizing the immoral behaviour of theists, so your theory of "dismantling" moral frameworks seems...dumb.

I did-watch the pretty movie Dicky made. Ok maybe not all but look what he named his damn movie.

"The Root of all Evil?" The question mark seems to be left out quite often, but it's prominently shown throughout the movie.

He blames 911 on religious faith. Well the turn about is fair play and I blame Atheism (lack of religious faith) for Stalin and Mao. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

Many terrorists claim to be doing what they're doing in the name of their God. Stalin did not claim to be doing what he was doing in the name of Atheism, you're making a huge leap of an assumption.

If Stalin made his own version of evolution- it really does not affect the connection. When you take a creator out of the equation there is no basis for morality other than natural selection.

Honestly, I'm growing very tired of your assertion that without God there is no basis for morals. It's a very narrow-minded view of things, and is in fact extremely arrogant. Drop the self-righteous bullcrap and take a look at some atheists who are not genocidal maniacs. And not all atheists are Darwinists. Stereotypes work both ways, and fighting fire with fire sometimes makes you a hypocrite...

He's a really nice guy I hear Mel. He naturally selected 49,000,000 - 78,000,000 people to die.
This is attrinbuted to Mao in more than one place:
"Chinese socialism is founded upon Darwin and the theory of evolution."

Darwinism does not equal atheism. Period. And just because a Darwinist was a genocidal maniac does not mean all Darwinists are, and definitely does not lend credence to your theory that atheism caused these men to commit atrocities.

I think I did a fine job of connecting communism and atheism. They're two peas in a pod.

Two peas in a pod? What's your real agenda here Bigwhammy? I mean...WTF?!

Without God fearing folks around Stalin would have taken over the whole damn world. An the heroes of the cold war were mostly Americans like Senator Jesse Helms. I know you have to hate him. But he's a big part of the reason we aren't speaking Russian.

Somebody needs to get off their high horse of Christianity and take a good look at the things they're saying. You make some very outlandish claims which have no basis at all. It reminds me of your previous claim in another thread that without faith in God there would be no scientific method...

Well Historically America is largely a Christian nation with traditional values and we have stopped Stalin and Hitler. We have taken a stand. Based on values. Based on the value of human life. Not just the ones most likely to reproduce. Values that came from faith in God.

Some of us who have those same values did not get them from God. Please stop assuming that without a belief in God good things would cease to happen, because it has no basis whatsoever.

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Okay, I have to step in here, because morals are either taught to one by someone, or they are from inborn conscience which implies a higher being importing that conscience into us. Children who are not taught good from bad, normally turn out selfish, with little thought for others and what is right or wrong, which is in and of itself immoral and bad for community. It has been said that it takes a village to raise a child. Now, whether that's true or not, I'm not sure, but it has to be one way or the other. I know there are exceptions to the rules, but they are only exceptions of course.

I just can't get past the morals are inborn without a higher being. I really need to get an answer to that one.

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Hey Rocker!

Here's a piece that discusses that issue.

HYPOCRISY OF ATHEISM

Almost every religion attempts to establish a 'spirit of the law', but atheism seeks to destroy the spiritual. In doing so, it chips away at the very thing that allows a good and ordered society to exist. The atheist is taking the morality of mankind for granted, unwisely forgetting the influence that religion has had in creating the culture in which he now lives. It isn't that atheists haven't any morals, but that they have no logical reason for having a preferable set of ethics.

Let's say that you find yourself stranded forever on a deserted island with one other individual. This other person is frail and of no practical use for your mutual survival. He is a loud mouth, an instigator, and he eats a lot. He even steals some of your food and the food supply is scarce. He's totally defenseless and a nuisance. Give a logical reason for not killing him.

An atheist criticizes a Christian for having an illogical belief in God, yet he can produce no logical reason for not killing this man. He can try to give a reason such as, "He is my genetic brother," but this doesn't stand up to logic. Why would it be wrong to kill your genetic brother? There is no logical reason, but you can see the atheist trying to give a spiritual reason. He is actually resorting to the 'brotherhood of man' as a reason not to kill this man. This is a spiritual reason, not a logical one. On the other hand, a Christian can simply use his 'illogical belief in God' to provide a very logical reason for not killing the man; "My Lord tells me to love him. My Lord wouldn't approve of me killing him." An atheist can't defend his own illogical belief without being a hypocrite when he criticizes belief in God as illogical.

www.ex-atheist.com...

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Whammy,, I got to say, you have really outdone yourself and it is obvious you have done your homework anticipating most of the dissenting viewpoints coming from the Atheists mission movement. Atheist pervasive
Relentless attack of Christ and Christianity is everywhere today. Just do a member profile check on the posts arguing in favor of Stalin and Marx and you invariably see one of their most outspoken Christian antagonists in the friends list among the numerous others that have nothing better to do then to be actively disbelieving in God.

What a coincidence it is to see that even my own states AZ Atheists organization have all been reading so much on the man Stalin.


You'll see the group I have researched has it on the right side of the website arizonaatheist.blogspot.com...

Atheists monopoly on Science and their multi pronged attack plan, has been seen in Hollywood which has been producing movies to challenge the very existence of Christ. While they acknowledge as most do, the Roman kings herrod and pilot, the reason most DO, remember those two kings, is because the King of Kings Jesus Christ. Yet Atheists having nothing noble, nothing more worthwhile to do, insist, never existed. As if the authors of the Bible were stupid enough to use those two names which would have called Jesus existence into question long ago by those living closer to the time of his existence.

You are very perceptive to see the typical double speak of Radical Atheist, used often where you will see them talking out of both sides of their mouths. I see it on EVERY, yes, EVERY, atheist website. Atheists pre-occupation with Christianity and Christians and invariably they are wrought with disparaging lies where stretching the truth from the sublime to the ridiculous, has become the signature tactic of ridicule made patent by this so called fringe of society.

Depending on the argument, they will use their ambiguously identified “group” of NON Belief or seemingly, NON everything, to falsify statistics like they have to justify Atheist morality. Wired Magazine recently had an article where the writer (also an atheist) has appointment to interview best selling author Sam Harris. In the interim he meets a colleague who spoke of finding a way to use agnostic people in a manipulative tactic where he would disseminate fallacious statistics using prison records to substantiate Atheists as the Moral Authority. In Fact, in his essay, Sam Harris makes this sweeping broad generalization that Atheists are the most intelligent people in the population.

That isn’t the dumbest thing this arrogant radical Atheist has said and done.

He has said, that it seems ethical to kill certain people for their religious belief. Not long after, he was told to back off that kind of hate speech. So after he writes the most convoluted excuse for saying it I think I have ever seen. Richard Dawkins himself is no stranger to adding his own spin to mistakes he has made when totally stumped by creationists. Dumbfounded by a question about DNA, saying he was so angry so livid he was “setup” by those confounded Christians as his reason he sat with that dumb look on his face not knowing the answer.

When he did come up with an answer, I took his explanation and copy pasted it to my Science Writer which is a 6oo megabyte software program for writers of law, science or journalism. The results were Grade level 21 with an 80 % superfluous word usage and ZERO readability. I see that a lot when accepting posted work by others using it to substantiate what they claim is fact. Another words Dawkins is a MASTER of circumlocution and obfuscation.

The Atheists Credo I see so often is to "Ridicule, mock, humiliate, antagonize the Christian, with extreme prejudice until they are too embarrassed to believe" If I said Christians should do that, Madnessinmysoul, an Atheist on these boards would be calling it bigotry. Then they can’t understand why they need such extra security.

Recently we have heard a lot on the news about Muslims threatening myspace over picture that was said to be made fun of yet when we research it,, Muslims are a lot differen’t then we Christians. They will KILL Atheists which it was found out, were behind this whole thing. Posting the same dis-resectful tactics that we see all over ATS and else where. They excuse it, saying it isn’t their fault we can’t handle having our worldview challenged. I got news for those Radical Atheists. IT’S RUDE, ASSININE AND IGNORANT.

They are so actively engaged in disbelieving god they must be constantly thinking to themselves “I don’t believe in god,, I don’t believe in god”. It was the same reason that the largest Atheist group on myspace got knocked off last time and was not allowed back,,

IT BECAUSE THEY ARE RUDE AND MORE OBNOXIOUS THEN THE MOST OVERZEALOUS JEHOVAHS WITNESS IN THE WORLD. JW’s are polite because THAT IS THE MEASURE OF RESPECT WE ALL DESERVE. I admit,, I have developed a disdain for Atheists I didn’t have six months ago. Good Job !

They are small in number when attempting to connect them to any agenda, saying they are like trying to coral a bunch of cats. But when it comes to bastardizing our constitution to the extent that we can’t have a damn Bible in our schools, it is Atheists using the ACLU to defend the rights of sex offenders to lower sentences, and NAMBLA or Gay men rights for consensual sex with boys. There is even one case to the Supreme Court asking for conjugal visits with his gay boy lover.

The moment a Priest gets busted for having sex that way, we are ALL repulsed as we should be but NOT atheists. No they just seem to act that way because it is what anyone would expect. Then they use that to attack religion as whole the same way they are with 911 but how dare you lump them all together in a single group. One Atheist here insists Atheism is nothing more then a “single position” and I can’t get over how ignorant that statement is when moments after “lumping” them all together they suddenly have more “types” I use the word “types” because frankly, I am just tired of hearing their double speak and subtle lies.

Their numbers and their cause is noted


When they need to argue where the argument need numbers, well then, they suddenly have 30 and I’ve seen as high as 50 million.


The double standards, the double speak, all the way to the double life, of Charles Darwin is fast becoming known and is time Christians, Muslims, Jews, Scientologists, get educated about it because Atheists want “RELIGION” GONE PERIOD, yours mine, all of it. Our Christians first then on to the next.

They wish to stay under the radar as Sam Harris has instructed them. They want to remain as slippery as a greased pig, where they use their double speak to call micro evolution a fact and the assumption that given enough time macro evolution will become fact. That it would be considered heretical for Science to think it won't, they have made it already a fact today. Even PBS Nova Host Tyson has said quite candidly that he wants to use evolution to convert people to Atheism. www.uncommondescent.com...

Then they deny it saying who is "them" we don’t belong to any "group" because they know that if they allow a tag to grab, they ALL can be held to a common cause and a creed. I have seen the many many websites they have for them to memorise discontextual verses of the Bible to attack Christians and to infuse them with their doctrine of doubt and to confound them with confusion. That is the reason we see such an increase in Christian apologetics. I have seen ATS’s own, AshleyD correct these erroneous fictions of theirs but the very next day, the same Atheists are posting the very same lies again and again and again.

They are not interested in the truth much less the light of God. That's ok and as anyone living not walking around with a tattoo on their foreheads with the words Atheist or Christian, can say have never literally had someone tie us down water boarding us into Christianity or literally had it shoved it down our throats. Yet you would think that is exactly what these Atheists have had to endure. It is the most pathetic whine of sour grapes (no pun) I have ever seen.

It is interesting that those who have had the calling into that area of Christian Apologetic life, invariably have also been given the tools in the form of talent and circumstance, to match the so called science community. Atheists who seem to think merely being an Atheist give you the unmitigated authority to speak on Science behalf. They go on and on and on making such emphatic yet ignorant claims that Darwinian Theory, is a fact, when in fact, it was fraud. To this day the hypothesis Darwin had built his theory around using any means necessary to keep it from being falsified, even manufactured evidence which has been done many times more then we know. What we do know is just what they finally got busted doing. Atheists airbrush that too with excuses. Something that Christians could not get away with using the Bible.

Again the Teflon double standard of Atheism

They have built a fraudulent theory insisted upon to stay within that theory, regardless of any possibility that we came to life any other way, whether by aliens or a master creator, God, deity etc.

Just this evening I was watching the news where HIV Aids vaccines they have been working have proven to make matters worse not better and that they may have to scrap the entire way they have been looking at this problem wasting over a billion dollars because of the constraints on research that have been so zealously guarded by haters of religion, Atheists. I know they have been a friction brake on medicine and research because their understanding of the tree of our species ancestry was built on a house of cards and fraudulent manufactured evidence even They Themselves admit to. Still,, they have done nothing to remove it for over a hundred years of School Text books.

Albeit true, their are, what I am going to call different "temperaments" of Atheists but I won't listen to a damn thing they tell me about it anymore and why should I? Why should anyone listen to someone who has insulted your intelligence FIRST, then ask you to like them enough to consider their opinions later.

I know,, it’s pretty simple Dale Carnegie common sense that even a con artist knows they can't con someone that doesn't like you first.

Yet Atheists who have been ostracized from politics in public office and in many ways in general blame that on Christians rather then looking in the damn mirror and taking inventory that perhaps it is THEM that is the problem. I think any public relations person would tell them the worst thing they can do is what they have done and continue to do.

You see the same arguments in 911 debates (not here but jref ) I see the same "style" of arguments where truthers arguments are predicated on what looks to them to be common sense and debunkers having what is analogous to the scientific method in religious vs. atheist debates.

I see the same vitriol the same use of decoys to get an entire segment of the internet to remain focused, mesmerized with the obsession of how the towers fell rather then seeing through that and looking at why they fell in the first place. Atheists will tell us it is Religions fault.

As long as someone challenges what we all saw their need to be right in jeopardy, they have been at it for too many years. Also the debunkers on Jref seem to all want us to assume they are engineers. Like Atheists want us to assume they are all "educated better" or "scientists". Atheists are the epitome antithesis of the self righteous religious fundamentalist having assumed a mirror reflection of what they hate so much in Christians. They are terminally self righteous NEVER admitting they are wrong.

They use embellished exaggeration excusing a disproportionate hatred, spiced with the venom of an "in your face" anger they not only justify but encourage other atheists as the only way to get Christians to behave rationally. Yet they fail to see the monumental hypocrisy of that dichotomy.

There is a reason Atheist defend evolution with the religious like fervour Christians do of the Bible. There is a REASON Atheist insist they are not a religion. The court sees that anyone that doesn’t believe in something is one thing but anyone so actively disbelieving in something is another Religion. That it acts as if it must be a competitor and ruled Atheism IS a religion.

They still argue it is not but their argument isn’t with me,, it is with them since it was an Atheist that screwed up a major part of their stealth plan. Their argument is with the court who also saw through the double talk.

There is a REASON they insist they are not a religion. It is so Christians won’t use that same attachment they have to their custom manufactured Atheist Approved Science of Evolution KICKED out of public schools. We can and we should do it too based on the same premise and now CASE LAW, they used to keep ID or Creationism out. It isn’t just a coincidence kids go to school these days where 1 in four have STD’s or are the many that get pregnant with some talk show host saying “JOHN,,, YOU ARE THE FATHER!”

My God , so many having sex with so many others, no one knows who is dad anymore. The biggest sign of the damage teaching evolution is when students bring guns to school and kill human lives as if they were nothing more then the mere results of random chance and negative mutation. In spite of what Atheists tell you.. GOD loves us and instils in us that we love each other. Atheist have made that very very hard to do where they are concerned.

Now I see them using abusing their monopoly on Science again where Sam Harris and many others who believe the Dawkins meme theory about religion being a brain disorder. Just look at the arguments in this well known Atheist website. www.rationalresponders.com...

She NEVER EVER is wrong about ANYTHING,,, UNTIL, she gets a post from another Atheist but even THEN,, she doubts he is an atheist because Atheists wouldn’t argue she says. In arguments where Christians are the topic, Atheists are instructed to focus on the Christian. We Christians argue amongst each other all the time. It is because we aren’t ROBOTS in the Borg where the collective must be the denial of truth in an ever homogenous discussion to destroy the perceived enemy.

In every society where Atheism has taken hold of the state, Millions and Millions of Christians die.

Christians better learn and learn fast. Atheist’s world view, is a world, without God, without Religion. While they chant the familiar John Lennon song they forget he says, living life in peace.



Until they start changing their tone,,Christians better learn and learn fast.

Atheist’s world view, is a world,,

without YOU.

- Con













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Dude That was a debate I am in with Mel. I can hardly keep up with him, so I don't have the energy to take you both on at once. It is hardly fair. And sort of rude.

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A pretty poor analogy. If there's no reason not to kill him, and I don't believe in God, then I must have to kill him!

Sidenote: atheists can be spiritual, too. In my opinion, that whole external source thing was a horrible example.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Dude That was a debate I am in with Mel. I can hardly keep up with him, so I don't have the energy to take you both on at once. It is hardly fair. And sort of rude.

You're posting on a public forum. You have no obligation to respond to me anyway. I'm just here because I enjoy the intellectual debate.

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Please stop with the "All the Atheists are out to get me" stuff. I am an atheist, and I dont have any beef with you until you start saying stuff like I'm out to get you. Yes, there are extremist atheists out there, there are extremist christians too.

And the nonsense about Atheists are out to destroy spirituality or religion, give me a break. Don't flatter yourself, most of us regular Atheists have better things to do than plot against people that don't share our views. I'm not even interested in debating your belief versus mine, you can believe whatever you like, that's fine with me. But this I'm a victim mentality really disgusts me. I will agree that there is a lot of religion bashing around here, and I have no love for it. I'm all for a intelligent discussion about God vs No-God, but I sure am tired of everybody acting like they're being repressed. Yes both sides have their loudmouth idiots and belligerent meatheads, how about those of us a with an ounce of reason just have a nice discussion without all the drama.

what i find interesting is that whenever i have seen negative threads about atheism, it's always from the perspective of a christian. which, yes, that does make sense because they are polar opposites and the majority religion in america, but what does surprise me is that i never read about a buddhist or any other religious guru thrashing on atheism, at least on here. please, someone correct me if i am wrong. do other religions not care to convert atheists? or do they actually have some humane ethical respect towards other's views?

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Muslims don't like atheists, Orthodox Jews don't like atheists, and I am almost sure the Buddhists of Tibet don't like the Chinese atheists who have been persecuting them all these years.

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oh really? wow, i thought everyone else just got along! i wouldn't have guessed otherwise from only reading the threads on ATS. i would love to hear more from these religious perspectives on how they view atheism.

post by idle_rocker[/url]
Let's say that you find yourself stranded forever on a deserted island with one other individual. This other person is frail and of no practical use for your mutual survival. He is a loud mouth, an instigator, and he eats a lot. He even steals some of your food and the food supply is scarce. He's totally defenseless and a nuisance. Give a logical reason for not killing him.

An atheist criticizes a Christian for having an illogical belief in God, yet he can produce no logical reason for not killing this man. He can try to give a reason such as, "He is my genetic brother," but this doesn't stand up to logic. Why would it be wrong to kill your genetic brother? There is no logical reason, but you can see the atheist trying to give a spiritual reason. He is actually resorting to the 'brotherhood of man' as a reason not to kill this man. This is a spiritual reason, not a logical one. On the other hand, a Christian can simply use his 'illogical belief in God' to provide a very logical reason for not killing the man; "My Lord tells me to love him. My Lord wouldn't approve of me killing him." An atheist can't defend his own illogical belief without being a hypocrite when he criticizes belief in God as illogical.

Are you kidding me, that is a horrible example.

I'm an atheist, would I kill this person? No.
Why?
Because it's called being human, having a conscious.
And you can be an atheist and spiritual.

Both sides of the religious debate try to cleanse themselves of the atrocities that they've committed in the name of their cause and at the same time try to place the blame for the world's problems on the other.

To sit and argue whether religion or the lack thereof is the greater evil is a pointless because neither a unified world religion nor the complete absence of religion would make this world a better place. As long as people think that they know for others and how others should live their lives we will always have conflict. It has nothing to do with religion and everyone to do with the arrogance of people who think that they know what is best for everyone else.

Mankind's inability to accept people for who they are will lead to its downfall

Here is a question. How long did the United States, in history books, etc, use BC (Before Christ) and AD (After Death, of Christ), before that was "airbrushed" into BCE (Before Common Era) and whatever the other one was? It damn sure wasn't Christians that got that one out of the textbooks. I guess thats another thread in itself (more or less a "liberal" thing the way I understand it).

If it isn't "Atheists" that are doing all these things, who is it?

Must I come to the conclusion that religious believers are basically dishonest people? Or if not dishonest, maybe mentally challenged? Because a few authors have felt strognly compelled to write anti-theist books does that mean that there is an atheistic agenda? As an atheist how come no one has contacted me to join in? Ayn Rand was what she described as an intransigent atheist. She was one of the most vociferous anti-communists that ever lived. She was an INDIVIDUALIST! Communists are STATISTS! They do not care about the individual. Do you really understand political thought? To claim that atheists are equal to communists betrays your ability for critical thinking, or you are just being dishonest like many religionists that I know or have read. Atheism is a non belief in a higher being (God). I do not have an Atheist Bible to tell me how to act and be good or bad. It is a personal conviction. I have nothing else in common with other atheists. I do not subscribe to ideas of Socialism or Communism. I'm a Free Enterprise advocate. I'm a Free Thinker. Why is that such a threat to you religious believers? And if Atheists have no morality, then I suppose the prisons of the Free World are populated by criminal atheists! I doubt it! I can understand your shame and guilt over the atrocities that have been committed in the name of Religion, however, please do not drag me into your guilt trip. I'm a firm believer in individual rights.

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I would guess it's the Political Correctness Police, out to make sure nobody is offended by anything, offending everyone in the process. Rest assured, they didn't ask me if I would like that change, I would have told them not to waste the time and resources on something so pointless.

Originally posted by Gigatronix
Please stop with the "All the Atheists are out to get me" stuff. I am an atheist, and I dont have any beef with you until you start saying stuff like I'm out to get you. Yes, there are extremist atheists out there, there are extremist Christians too.

And the nonsense about Atheists are out to destroy spirituality or religion, give me a break. Don't flatter yourself, most of us regular Atheists have better things to do than plot against people that don't share our views. I'm not even interested in debating your belief versus mine, you can believe whatever you like, that's fine with me. But this I'm a victim mentality really disgusts me. I will agree that there is a lot of religion bashing around here, and I have no love for it. I'm all for a intelligent discussion about God vs No-God, but I sure am tired of everybody acting like they're being repressed. Yes both sides have their loudmouth idiots and belligerent meatheads, how about those of us a with an ounce of reason just have a nice discussion without all the drama.

Hey guy,, I know what you are are saying but at the same time you want to be singled out as NOT that kind of atheist, you go right on speaking on behalf of them as a whole and you can't have it both ways. I went to jail already trying shut five of them up in the biggest church in phoenix.

I didn't even know you were an atheist but whenever I see maddness or major malfunction on the friends list,, I got a pretty good idea and so far that theory has worked 99.9% of the time. I don't care what people believe but when it is an argument about what they DON'T believe then fine leave it there. BUT THEY DON'T they make money writing books about making fun of Christians and their imaginary friend.

It escalates and becomes repugnant and yes WE WILL GET ANGRY TOO.

I don't care to listen to what they believe or don't believe

IT'S having to constantly hear about what they are against,

They are against Christians and none of us would have ever known if not for their being so actively engaged in not believing in God.

Hell all I used to do is argue 911 debates until I started seeing Christian topics and thought it would be nice to learn somethings,, that day on,, was nothing but attack after attack by Atheist making threads antagonistic to religion and it started happening every day. So it is and will be hard to get sympathy from Christians who have to by Atheism own unwillingness to define themselves explaining their unusual hatred and anger,

Their are a lot of Christians talking about this in many Churchs now, so If I were you,, I get used to it. Like I said,, no one knows what anyone is but ill be damned if Atheists are going to ridicule me or us in so many numbers that I can't make an us or them distinction.

I suggest writing a letter to Dawkins and tell him to have a big ole cup of SHUT THE HELL UP. I know other Atheists have but he's made his money and I am afraid the damage was done.

- Con

Originally posted by Ameneter
Must I come to the conclusion that religious believers are basically dishonest people? Or if not dishonest, maybe mentally challenged?

*Holding my tongue* *Counting to ten* *Walking it off*

Because a few authors have felt strognly compelled to write anti-theist books does that mean that there is an atheistic agenda? As an atheist how come no one has contacted me to join in?

Let me ask you this, Ameneter. For argument's sake, let's assume the worst and that the following conspiracies are true (in order to prevent us from getting off on bunny trails):

9/11 was an inside job executed by the American government. Does this mean every single American government employee was in on it? No.

Aliens crashed at area 51 and the air force covered it up. Does this mean every single person serving in the air force was in on it? No.

The FBI was behind the JKF assassination. Does this mean every FBI agent was in on it? No.

So is the same with this conspiracy. 'The little people' are hardly ever in the know. If you're not 'in on it' then you're probably a 'little person.'

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banyan, you are spot on!

I feel the outrage, if that's what you're conveying. Or, maybe, just a little bit of disgruntlement? Ah, that's better!

Discussing Religion is always fraught with perils...quicksand, if you will....but when nothing is being crammed down our throats, and we have free will to accept or deny, then all is good, no?

Peace. (or, 'peas'....ummm, "peas"....)

[adding]...humor, online. It either works, or falls terribly flat. YOU be the judge......

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Well, I tried humor....now to topic. I brought up the concept of airbrushes already, the OP did a nice job of posting a photo of one, and I really want to buy that one, just need to hear from the OP...

But really...an atheist, or 'group' of athesists able to transform HISTORY?!? Come on! let's leave that to the the Republicans! (or, whatever Political Party happens to be in charge at any given time...)!
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reply to post by Conspiriology
Actually, I spoke out against extremist Atheists, and aligned myself with Atheists that have no desire to fight you.

As far as the Christian hating goes, that's not my thing, some of my best friends are Christians and we have a lot of fun conversations, because we both know neither of us is trying to convert the other.

Extreme atheists hate all religions apparently(I say apparently because I've never encountered one or heard much about them until now). I'd be willing to bet there's some extreme Christians out there doing a fair amount of hating as well. You don't have a monopoly on people hating you. Some people just need to hate something, whether its religion, politics, video games, Britney Spears, whatever. The solution for you is not to hate back, but WWJD? Turn the other cheek yes? This goes for Atheists feeling the heat from religious types too, get over it and don't contribute to the hatefest.

I know that may sound hypocritical because I called you out, but I was more concerned with your rhetoric, I have no issue with your religious beliefs themselves.

Originally posted by Ameneter

Must I come to the conclusion that religious believers are basically dishonest people?

I don't know why that question is even being asked, as one can only speculate but I would say,, being people, it's anyones guess.

maybe mentally challenged?

I suspect many churchs accept them too, I know ours does, so you're welcome to join if thats your concern.

Because a few authors have felt strognly compelled to write anti-theist books does that mean that there is an atheistic agenda?

Yes that is exactly what is happening whether you're a part of it or not I wouldn't know they are instructed never to admit they have a agenda a belief but all seem to sing the same song when one of thier sacred cows is attacked.

As an atheist how come no one has contacted me to join in?

Didn't you read the books? If you are for nothing they believe then why are you here?

Ayn Rand was what she described as an intransigent atheist. She was one of the most vociferous anti-communists that ever lived.

Yeah I read Fountainhead Great book and ayn was the exception to the rule. For someone who isn't into an atheist agenda you seem to think yourself well read on the very systems of Government we allege many Atheists espouse. The fact they are not for the individual but the state is exactly why Christians are against communism.

She was an INDIVIDUALIST! Communists are STATISTS! They do not care about the individual. Do you really understand political thought? To claim that atheists are equal to communists betrays your ability for critical thinking, or you are just being dishonest like many religionists that I know or have read.

Of course it is those dumb Christians again you have done the same thing and are as guilty as any Christian of making pre-conceived notions about us as a "group". So much for your critical thinking. I think it just went into critical condition .

I'm a Free Thinker. Why is that such a threat to you religious believers? And if Atheists have no morality, then I suppose the prisons of the Free World are populated by criminal atheists! I doubt it!

Yeah the moment you become a free thinker we see they can say with all the same arrogance of religious fundamentalist "I suppose the prisons of the Free World are populated by criminal atheists! I doubt it! "

Sounds like you got that "royal" blood from being Atheist or perhaps one of the descendants of an Aryan race.

Whatever it is that makes Atheist so much better then anyone else, it just proved Whammys point that here again an Atheist making assertions about thier supeiror intellect while suggesting Christians might be mentally challenged. The same Atheist asking to be treated as an individual while using the same typical Atheist style argument.'

That being, all Christians are wrong

and Atheist are right.

*Yawn*

- Con


[edit on 22-3-2008 by Conspiriology]