Are Atheists Air Brushing History?

reply to post by Bigwhammy


i think he's going to lose some of his converts due to the double-edged sword created by his decision to not reveal himself to anyone but abductees. the abductees are then harrassed, prodded, poked, experimented on, tortured and returned to their homes, where no one believes their experience and calls them insane, drug addicts and so on. eventually, people in UFOlogy who have had these bad experiences, are going to get real tired of the way atheism treats everything it can't pick up with its hands and examine. and when they do reach that point, the real tough questions are going to come up. before that happens, however, the great deception has to finish its cycle. and i ain't so sure who is going to be here and who is not, by that point.

reply to post by Bigwhammy
I see what you're saying there about human nature. I value life because of empathy. I would not wnat to do something to someone I wouldnt wnat done to me. I have suffered some in my life and felt pain and sorrow, and I wouldnt wish it on anyone, except maybe the most evil vile people on the planet. I don't do kill people or terrorize them because I dont wnat it done to me and I dont wnat to go to jail, be killed in retaliation, or pay a bunch of money. Even if I could kill someone and face no repercussions, I still wouldnt do it, I have no desire to take a life, any life, and don't forsee myself getting into a situation where killing someone might be neccessary to my self-preservation. I feel bad for animals that die senselessly, like the chickens you hear about at KFC. Im just a big softie really, the amount of love I have for my cat is just sickening LOL.

I suppose my morals and values stem alot from the suffering and injustice I see in the world, and do my best to be a small sliver of light in the sick darkness. Thats why you will generally see me around here preaching tolerance to all sides. I respect, I value, I tolerate. I aquired these qualities through experience, reflection, and assessment. No god required for me, I did it on my own. If you got your morals and values from God, lucky you, you got a headstart on those who earned theirs.

reply to post by undo


That's what is so great about the ministry of Guy Malone out in Roswell he can offer abductees hope. There's a perfect success rate in stopping "alien" abductions in the name of Jesus Christ. Funny how those EBEs from other worlds are aware of the Hebrew scriptures and this so called human teacher from an obscure Jewish city 2000 years ago. They obey his name though.

Hmmmmmmmmmm maybe their not really "aliens" after all....

They are ETs but they're not aliens. They've been around longer than us. We are the aliens and they have resentment about it. Man when the great deception really kicks into high gear and the tribulations start it's going to make Stalin and Mao look like boy scouts.

ya know?

reply to post by Bigwhammy

it's going to make Stalin and Mao look like boy scouts.

Yeah, having been dead once already (during which the bad guys took every opportunity to torture me as much as possible before I died), I can say emphatically, this is the GRACE PERIOD.

Take advantage of it while it's available.

reply to post by Gigatronix


I guess that I believe that internal sense we have about not wanting to kill is God given. It's when you feel justified --- there are no external consequences --- and nobody else is looking that the rubber really meets the road...

That's where faith in God is superior in my opinion.

I do not expect justice in this life really. God has told us the wold is in a fallen state. It is in the hands of that butt wipe that undo has a statue of up there. Because of my confidence in God; I am willing to forego justice and defer to God.

reply to post by undo


You know undo... I really wasn't thinking of it until I started talking with you tonight, But the conspiracy to airbrush history is really your specialty is it not?
And you go a lot deeper than 50-100 years ago that I am talking about. Non believers have been airbrushing the supernatural out of our history forever. Like the giants for instance, from what I hear, the Smithsonian has giant bones in the basement but will not display them because of the proverbial can of worms it opens...

now universities teach ancient history is all myths - how do they know?

But they have to admit that all of todays technolgy is in capable of duplicating the work on the great pyramid/

computer guided saws can not even cut stone to those tolerances....
they do not teach that --- but it is true

But they want us to believe they were ignorant -- myth believers

If they aren't actively working for evil then why the cover up?

reply to post by Bigwhammy


i dunno, whammy (i'm really enjoying your music, btw. i've listened to alien resistance and it was all in your mind, several times. awesome lead guitar work on both of them. who was playing the lead in alien resistance? or is that synthesized? i love how the lead trails off and gets quieter and then the tinkling percussion kicks in and leads right into another round with that great lead guitar riff. )

i had this conversation with a radio interviewer. he and i were trying to come to grips with it too. he suggested that the empty space left when the holy spirit isn't covering the individual, provides these other forces access to influence the individual's mind so heavily, they are somehow transformed in a physical way. i dunno. i really don't. all i know is they don't like us. apparently, we've come dreadfully close to outliving our usefulness, especially as the time approaches for this all to come to a head. i figure the attitude of the world at large is lock step with the chain of command above it. so if you wanna know what Enki's up to, just read the newspaper.



[edit on 24-3-2008 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Bigwhammy

 

Thanksi dunno, whammy (i'm really enjoying your music, btw. i've listened to alien resistance and it was all in your mind, several times. awesome lead guitar work on both of them. who was playing the lead in alien resistance? or is that synthesized? i love how the lead trails off and gets quieter and then the tinkling percussion kicks in and leads right into another round with that great lead guitar riff. )

Thanks a lot. That's all me on guitar. I've been playing a long time. I was even a classical guitar major in college. I did everything on all of that music. Either played it on a keyboard or programmed it. But it usually starts with guitar for me. I am not a great singer hence the instrumental stuff. I grew up on Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Hendrix... then Van Halen and stuff like that... add some classical and jazz studies --- assorted weirdness and here I am. Not making any money really --- I teach guitar lessons -- I did that song for Guy for free because I wanted to contribute to the work he is doing.

i had this conversation with a radio interviewer. he and i were trying to come to grips with it too. he suggested that the empty space left when the holy spirit isn't covering the individual, provides these other forces access to influence the individual's mind so heavily, they are somehow transformed in a physical way. i dunno.

I think so... the Holy Spirit is the restrainer... holding back the evil that is everywhere. If we get raptured out of here... no more restrainer. I am not counting on a pretrib though. But people hate us unreasonably, it is a spirtual force of evil behind it -- they are just unaware of it -- it is unfortunate.
"For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie"

i really don't. all i know is they don't like us. apparently, we've come dreadfully close to outliving our usefulness, especially as the time approaches for this all to come to a head. i figure the attitude of the world at large is lock step with the chain of command above it. so if you wanna know what Enki's up to, just read the newspaper.

I agree... he's in charge -- we know the truth-- we pray for them and they are laughing at us.

This says it all :

Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:



[edit on 3/24/2008 by Bigwhammy]

is that sitar in the opening of "It was All in Your Mind?" That's another great song. Mastered those instruments, you have! And it really shows in how you've cut them altogether in the various channels. The overlapping fx and instruments. Like the voices from "It's all in your mind, changing ears, and all the little nuances you've put into it. i can tell you really have the gift of music. what's the girl in the background saying? anyway, really awesome work. (i bought a 12-string ibanez many years ago. played it till we were too poor to avoid selling it, sold it for a fairly good price for the cash, so we could eat and so forth. and never bought another one. that was 20 years ago. : / i was always better at singing than playing anyway lol )

But people hate us unreasonably, it is a spirtual force of evil behind it -- they are just unaware of it -- it is unfortunate.

I don't think it's a case of being unaware. I think it's clearly evident to the individual but thinking that way about it is encouraged by little psychological mini rewards, perhaps as a sort of mass mind effect, like a hive mind

Originally posted by undo
is that sitar in the opening of "It was All in Your Mind?" That's another great song. Mastered those instruments, you have! And it really shows in how you've cut them altogether in the various channels. The overlapping fx and instruments. Like the voices from "It's all in your mind, changing ears, and all the little nuances you've put into it.

A corral electric sitar... like that robbie shankar dude from the 60's played.
Computers have made what used to cost 500,000 in studio equipment like 20 years ago cost about 2,000 in my house. Literally big studios hav been goin out of business in droves because of it. So I have taught myself all the production techniques and mixing an stuff that would have costed a fortune in a major studio. You could not do it even 5 years ago with out a big budget. Now it's really fun to play rock star - hehehe.

i can tell you really have the gift of music. what's the girl in the background saying?

That song is about mind control... basically the guy starts to trip... the sitar
then it's about a sexual temptation... the rave beat thing/// the girl is sayng "Look at my toys" and then the accuser "Insolent Ungodliness" and he gets disciplined by the controllers for his lustful thoughts represented by the "look at my toys" female voice. "You must learn to obey" ---- and they torture him with shock treatment -- but it doesn't really work on him-- he does not respond to the torture... at the end free me free me...

Oh it was all in your mind...

I don't think it's a case of being unaware. I think it's clearly evident to the individual but thinking that way about it is encouraged by little psychological mini rewards, perhaps as a sort of mass mind effect, like a hive mind

So you think they are aware of it? I think they are deceived into thinking we are evil and ignorant . So they feel superior and justified in hating.

reply to post by Bigwhammy


It was this part I was responding to, actually:

they are just unaware of it

i don't think they are unaware of their feelings on the subject. I think their feelings are rewarded, as I mentioned. Some may even realize it is deception but choose to play along with it because instant gratification is soothing. Where the real deception may lie is in the concept that these are their own ideas, totally unrelated to any exterior influences. Remember what that was like? I do, clearly. Perhaps some may feel they are simply participating in a mob event which appeals to them at a level they don't want to explore, merely experience. I think only each individual will know the real answer to that question.



[edit on 24-3-2008 by undo]

Originally posted by undo
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i don't think they are unaware of their feelings on the subject. I think their feelings are rewarded, as I mentioned. Some may even realize it is deception but choose to play along with it because instant gratification is soothing. Where the real deception may lie is in the concept that these are their own ideas, totally unrelated to any exterior influences. Remember what that was like? I do, clearly. Perhaps some may feel they are simply participating in a mob event which appeals to them at a level they don't want to explore, merely experience. I think only each individual will know the real answer to that question.

Ok you make sense to me now. What I meant by them being unaware is what you are saying here "Where the real deception may lie is in the concept that these are their own ideas, totally unrelated to any exterior influences." Also they can not see that enki's using them against us... really against themselves too... but it's impossible to for them to see. The pay off is instant gratification, cheap thrills, easy money, all the above...
And yes I do remember what that was like clearly as well, it wasn't but maybe 8 years ago. The people here that ridicule me for being an outspoken Christian even remind me of myself.

Credit where credit is due

reply to post by Conspiriology

I have seen the original documents and they be hard to read but their is no doubt Thomas Jefferson was a Christian and says so.

Hardly your kind of Christian. He didn't believe Jesus was anything more than a man and regarded much of the New Testament, in particular the Pauline books and the Revelation, as a pack of lies.

For those who are interested, a fairly detailed account of Jefferson's beliefs is available at Wikipedia.

But why bother with all that, when we can have it from the horse's mouth?

Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 13 April 1820:

Jesus [was] no imposter himself but a great Reformer of the Hebrew code of religion, [but] it is not to be understood that I am with him in all his doctrines. I am a Materialist, he takes the side of spiritualism; he preaches the efficacy of repentance toward forgiveness of sin. I require a counterpoise of good works to redeem it &c. &c. It is the innocence of his character, the purity & sublimity of his moral precepts, the eloquence of his inculcations, the beauty of the apologias in which he conveys them, that I so much admire; sometimes indeed needing indulgence to Eastern hyperbolism. My eulogies too may be founded on a postulate which all may not be ready to grant. Among the sayings & discourses imputed to him by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence: and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being. I seperate therefore the gold from the dross; restore to him the former & leave the latter to the stupidity of some, and roguery of others of his disciples. Of this band of dupes and impostors, Paul was the great Coryphaeus, and firm corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus. These palpable interpolations and falsifications of his doctrines led me to try to sift them apart. I found the work obvious and easy, and that his part composed the most beautiful morsel of morality which has been given to us by man*. The Syllabus is therefore of his doctrines, not all of mine. I read them as I do those of other antient and modern moralists, with a mixture of approbation and disent.

I salute you with constant and affectionate friendship and respect.

Th. Jefferson

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*Emphasis mine

The source is preserved in the Library of Congress, in case anyone doubts its authenticity.

Conspiriology, you have contributed nothing to this thread but bad feeling, bigotry, falsehood and bluster. I salute you, my friend; your behaviour on ATS demeans and undermines the faith you claim to espouse and gives atheists new heart. Are you sure you're not secretly a member of the 'atheist conspiracy', operating under cover? People like you are a gift to us.

Gratefully yours,

Scamandrius

[edit on 24-3-2008 by Astyanax]

Originally posted by Conspiriology
About your mom? I see you didn't want to go there did ya,, yeah you know where I was going with it kid and you were right.

No I actually have no idea where you were going with that

You're right the fact that religion is dieing off and the atheist population is increasing is exactly the reason for more terrorism. After all we're just mammals so killing is no big deal. Some evolution.

creationism, evolution, either way we are mammals. So I don't see what you're trying to prove

Evidence? What Christian radicals? When Christian churches run low on members they have a revival or they close the doors. I think you're just making this crap up.

LOL look outside

OK fine! then you will accept that Atheist leaders have a higher rate of mass murder.

OK problem, theres never been an Atheist leader, only communist leaders

[edit on 24-3-2008 by Damien_Hell]

reply to post by AshleyD

Originally posted by Damien_Hell
Environmental changes take HUNDREDS of millions of years.

I have some issues with that statement. The middle East used to be somewhat of a 'tropical oasis' several thousand years ago. The fertile crescent? Ancient Egypt? Ancient Babylon? Pretty much all desert now for the most part... Other areas have also changed and are changing before our very eyes.

You are right. Damien has nodded, though his error does not discredit evolution.

Allow me to clarify.

On a whole, environments tend to change quite slowly on the timescale of human and animal generations. But they may also change overnight.

On the level of individual habitats and habitation zones, they tend to change much faster -- from year to year, or from season to season, or according to some trend that may take ten, a hundred or a thousand years to complete.

What this has to do with evolution is as follows.

1. Since environments have, for the most part, a tendency to evolve more slowly than the organisms that inhabit them, species have time to adapt to environmental changes. This was Damien's original point and he is indeed correct in making it.
   
   
2. But as you remark so astutely, environmental change often happens at a much faster pace. So much the worse, then, for species living in that environment. If they cannot adapt or escape they will be extinguished, and other species will move in (or evolve) to fill the gap they have left. This is precisely the threat now facing humanity due to climate change.
   
   
3. Since the environment is always changing in small ways, selection pressures also keep changing -- in small ways. This, together with the fact that most organisms are pretty well adapted in the first place, allows for some genetic drift and helps preserve genetic variation within populations.
   

One last thing. Evolutionary change need not take millions of years. Anybody who contests 'macroevolution'* should be asked to explain how, within the space of a mere 10,000 years, it is possible to breed a chihuahua, a St. Bernard and an Afghan hound from a wolf. True, this is artificial not natural selection, but the process is still the same -- selecting among genes to produce desirable traits and eliminate undesirable ones. The wolf genotype already has the chihuahua, St. Bernard and Afghan houn 'genotypes' 'implied' in it; all the necessary genetic variation is already there.

When selection pressures are high, evolution -- natural evolution -- can move surprisingly fast. One example is 'runaway sexual selection', in which sexual preferences -- for ever-bigger tails, say, or for more impressive horns, more elaborate nests, or more elegant conversational skills -- can drive evolution in these traits so rapidly that, over a relatively short time (say, a hundred generations or less) you end up with such monostrosities as peacocks, caribou, bowerbirds and ourselves. Again, the concept originates in Darwin's The Descent of Man; and again, it is best and most fully explained in the book I cited earlier by Geoffrey Miller (and no, I am not his literary agent!).

However fast or slowly environments change, selection pressures continue to operate and evolution marches on.

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*Don't you just love the pseudoscientifc terminology of Creationism?

Originally posted by Astyanax

Hardly your kind of Christian.

No one is my kind of Christian, we all boil at different degree's sunshine. Their was a time I have thought similiar to Jefferson and I am sure he didn't have those same opinions ten years before or ten years after.

He didn't believe Jesus was anything more than a man

Well lol umm did you think he wasn't? Perhaps you thought he was a Cyborg? Ya know I'm just glad he didn't say he never existed. That would have been real indicative of his being an Athiest.

and regarded much of the New Testament, in particular the Pauline books and the Revelation, as a pack of lies.

Opinions vary

Conspiriology, you have contributed nothing to this thread but bad feeling, bigotry, falsehood and bluster.

hee hee,, will the jealousy ever end

I salute you, my friend; your behaviour on ATS demeans and undermines the faith you claim to espouse

spare me the Christian reputation to live up too ok guy,,
in the words of Charles Barkley,, " I am NOT a role model"

and gives atheists new heart.

Really?? you got saved? SPLENDID!

Are you sure you're not secretly a member of the 'atheist conspiracy', operating under cover?

Naaah I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist

People like you are a gift to us.

Gratefully yours,

Please,, Please,, it isn't me,, the Glory be to God in the Highest, He is the potter while I am but a mere instrument and you,,

you are putty

- Con

[edit on 24-3-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Damien_Hell

OK problem, theres never been an Atheist leader

[edit on 24-3-2008 by Damien_Hell]

Now you know why they wouldn't make a Good US President

No experience.

- Con

Originally posted by Astyanax


Allow me to clarify.

You mean obfuscate

On a whole, environments tend to change quite slowly on the timescale of human and animal generations. But they may also change overnight.

On the level of individual habitats and habitation zones, they tend to change much faster -- from year to year, or from season to season, or according to some trend that may take ten, a hundred or a thousand years to complete.

Since environments have, for the most part, a tendency to evolve more slowly than the organisms that inhabit them, species have time to adapt to environmental changes. This was Damien's original point and he is indeed correct in making it.

No he isn't this Bunk pure garbage, it's nothing but speculation to fit the theory. Since their is no observable evidence of macro evolution, a theory was put forth using the itty bitty ditty appendage that given enough time, given enough time given enough time *poof* the appendage is part of a new species just in time for the rainy season

But as you remark so astutely, environmental change often happens at a much faster pace. So much the worse, then, for species living in that environment. If they cannot adapt or escape they will be extinguished, and other species will move in (or evolve) to fill the gap they have left. This is precisely the threat now facing humanity due to climate change.

Climate change is bunk, Now I am starting to figure out why they keep pushing climate change. So it will substantiate more theory.

Which is it, Global warming, or Climate Change?

One last thing. Evolutionary change need not take millions of years. Anybody who contests 'macroevolution'* should be asked to explain how, within the space of a mere 10,000 years, it is possible to breed a chihuahua, a St. Bernard and an Afghan hound from a wolf. True, this is artificial not natural selection, but the process is still the same -- selecting among genes to produce desirable traits and eliminate undesirable ones. The wolf genotype already has the chihuahua, St. Bernard and Afghan houn 'genotypes' 'implied' in it; all the necessary genetic variation is already there.

Wrong,, that idea shot to hell, here try studying up before you go acting like you know what you are talking about www.pbs.org...

Ashe would remember when I used this same argument to refute evolution, now that the evolution nitwits believe itmm the say THATS evolution too now LOL what crooks

When selection pressures are high, evolution -- natural evolution -- can move surprisingly fast. One example is 'runaway sexual selection', in which sexual preferences -- for ever-bigger tails, say, or for more impressive horns, more elaborate nests, or more elegant conversational skills -- can drive evolution in these traits so rapidly that, over a relatively short time (say, a hundred generations or less) you end up with such monostrosities as peacocks, caribou, bowerbirds and ourselves. Again, the concept originates in Darwin's The Descent of Man; and again, it is best and most fully explained in the book I cited earlier by Geoffrey Miller (and no, I am not his literary agent!).

Wrong that isn't macro evolution all that is are adaptations already in the DNA to start with and when this was discovered, what does evolution so??

Oh yeah yeah that is what we were trying to say all along.

Evolution is the most corrupt scam, the biggest hoax and most bs ever created by an atheist .

It was Bunk in 1857 and it is Bunk now

It will always be bunk

- Con
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[edit on 24-3-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Conspiriology

Now you know why they wouldn't make a Good US President

No experience.

- Con

Well America needs a fresh start, besides you need to start somewhere, America is a good a place as any

Climate change is bunk, Now I am starting to figure out why they keep pushing climate change. So it will substantiate more theory.

Which is it, Global warming, or Climate Change?

Its climate change, global warming is just one side of the coin. And climate change makes sense if you understand even basic meteorology
This thread has just gone too off topic. I'm done here

[edit on 24-3-2008 by Damien_Hell]