Russia now has #1 fighter plane in the world... SU-30-

reply to post by lakenheath24


I beg to differ. F-15Es have been gunned down with ease by RAF Typhoons. There are several platforms that have caught or passed the F-15. You are NOT going to have a 30 year old design be king of the heap forever, and the Eagle has passed its prime. It is still an amazing fighter, and will be an awesome bird for years to come, but it's been standing still while our allies and potential enemies haven't been.

This is all a mute point anyway.
The future is ucavs.
With a 5th generation radar.
And good situational awarness.
A ucav should be able to do anything you want it to at speed.
As long as the airframe holds up.
Ucavs will be the most awesome thing in the skys in short order if not already.

Oh also throw in canned (pre-programmed cycles) in the mix and it should be able to out fly any threat.

[edit on 20-3-2008 by TimeTracker]

Good flying for a plane that is obsolete!

When the U.S. retired the S.R.-71 BlackBird something else took it's place. Can you imagine the capabilities of it's replacement?

The Stealth Fighter is up for retirement, it has been around for about 27 years believe it or not. The plane that is taking it's place will be top secret and out of sight for a long time to come. The new Raptor is just a new toy that is replacing the ageing inventory of the current fighters and interceptors. The F-16's and the F-18's.

People, half of the so called UFO's that are being reported are these new birds flying around. The other half, the people must be looking through Beer Goggles because there are no such things as little green or grey men from outer space. Sorry guys, just dont' buy it!!!!

Keep your eye in the Sky, you might just see our new Toys!!!!!!!!!!!

Eye of Eagle

Great pilot....but let me just say that as much as we know about the "black projects" and top secret aircrafts, as well as publicized crafts like the SU-30, there are definitely other crafts, programs, and plans we don't even fathom.

Ok to clarify some stuff up:

SU-30 = Designed to kill Super bugs (F18 Super hornet) and Falcons (F16`s).

SU-47 (S-32,S-37) = Testbed for PAK FA/ SU-T50.

PAK FA SU-T50 = competition for the Raptor.

SU 35BM = Eagle killer (F15) Super bug squasher and competition for the EF2000.

The SU 30 isnt the best but it is a damn good aircraft.

What is the status on that PAK-FA anyways?

Seems to be a decade behind.

Shattered OUT...

Answering various posts here:

The Su-30 can take on eagles as well.
It depends on the AESA/AIM-120D/AIM-9x capability of the eagles on whether this is going to be easy on the eagles or not.

The IAF now has 50+ Su30 MKIs out of which most are Mk3. I need to check how many.

High maneuverability counts if you can get you cross hair on your target before he can turn around and target you. This is a major consideration in WVR and it is not something that you can altogether neglect in BVR.
Stealth obviously adds a large buffer of safety to those who have it, but it boils down to who can point and shoot, and the hot-foot it out of there before someone points and shoots at him/her.

EDIT: Again it depends on the kind of Su-30 :
We have Su 30 Mk1-3/Su-30MKI Mk1-3/Su-30MKK Mk1-3(?)/Su-30 MKM/Su-30MKA(Algeria?)/Su-30MKV(Venezuela?)

[edit on 21-3-2008 by Daedalus3]

High manuverabillity will surely help in any situation. Even in BVR. Missles are no insta 90 degree turning wonders.

What it really comes down to is:

1. Who detects who first?
2. If you detect first, who has the longer pole?

Because if you detect first, and know you don't have the best range, you can abort and try something else. If you detect first, and have the best long range pk, then you win 9.5x out of 10.

Originally posted by tomcat ha
High manuverabillity will surely help in any situation. Even in BVR. Missles are no insta 90 degree turning wonders.

In the case of the AIM-9X and JHMCS they sure as hell are. And in BVR, the AIM-120D cannot turn at 90 degrees but it can turn 3G harder than any aircraft.

And people are missing something I have been trying to say for about a year here:

DOGFIGHTS DO NOT TAKE PLACE AT STALL SPEED. FOR CHRIST SAKES.

Dogfights happen at 300-400MPH. Does anyone else see what that means? If both aircraft are limited to 9.5G turning speed, than during any practical dogfight both aircraft's turn rates are the same!

No Russian pilot is dumb enough to slow down to the point where he would be able to do all of his loopdy loops and show off, speed is life in a dogfight.

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www.youtube.com...

Demonstration of the fantastic agility of the Su-30.

Russia does have the NO1 fighter plane in terms of dogfights, and manueverability, however it isn't the Sukhoi Su-30.
There is an SU-33 Flanker, SU-35 Super Flanker, SU-37 terminator, and the SU-47 'Berkut' Golden Eagle and the upcoming SU-50 5th generation Russian aircraft.

So Far in terms of stealth the F-22 Raptor is the best, but in everything else it doesnt stand a chance.

Originally posted by Inconscientious
So Far in terms of stealth the F-22 Raptor is the best, but in everything else it doesnt stand a chance.

I pretty much saw this coming from the rest of your post prior to this point and I pretty much made up my mind about the credibility of your opinion from said post also.

Originally posted by Reevster

Russia now has #1 fighter plane in the world... SU-30-

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Russia now has #1 fighter plane in the world... SU-30- Vectored Thrust with Canards. As you watch this airplane, look at the canards moving along side of, and just below the canopy rail. The "canards" are the small wings forward of the main wings. The smoke and contrails provide a sense of the actual flight path, sometimes in reverse direction.

This video is of an in-flight demonstration flown by the Russian's-30MK fighter aircraft. You will not believe what you are about to see.

Sorry to brake your party but:

1) Braking news? This plane, and all it's main variants, is already well know to most analysts. So where's the breaking news?

2) The effectiveness of a combat aircraft in shown in, surprise, combat; the way it looks as nothing to do with it, this is not a beauty contest.

3) As we have seen in the past, in all major and minor wars, Russian fighters are just crappy replica attempts of US fighters. They are hallways blown out of the air or, most of the time, don't even bother flying...

As far as I am concerned it's just another "paper plane" that just happens to look good. Until it fights in an air battle we just don't know how good it is

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I agree on points 1 and 2, but at least with the more interesting concepts like the Berkut, Russian aviation development is onto something. You can't deny that the blended wing-fuselage design of, say, the Sukhoi-built fighters isn't uniquely Russian, similar design ethos are known as "strakes" on other aircraft and seem like bolted-on extra bits of wing to the fuselage, not to mention that they're the only country that's been using tandem triplane systems in force on their aircraft. While FSW technology needed to go through a demonstration phase in the US with the X-29, the S-32, S-37, and Su-47 were all about 6-8 BVRs and an autocannon or two shy of being full-fledged fighters.

...OK, OK, so this was also the same country that settled for crap like the Yakolev Yak-38, but still...

Oh, by the way...that set of moves has a name. It's called the "Pugachev Cobra."

[edit on 3/23/2008 by Reverie Planetarian]

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All three of those mentioned were the SAME PLANE. They only changed the name of the TECHNOLOGY DEMONSTRATOR. It wasn't planned to ever go into mass production that I ever heard of. It was to do the same thing that the X-29 did, but with potential for mass production IF there was interest in it, which there never was.

Originally posted by WestPoint23

Originally posted by Inconscientious
So Far in terms of stealth the F-22 Raptor is the best, but in everything else it doesnt stand a chance.

I pretty much saw this coming from the rest of your post prior to this point and I pretty much made up my mind about the credibility of your opinion from said post also.

You hit the nail on the head, WP. This is the part of the discussion where I take my leave, somehow I knew this thread would end up looking like this.

Originally posted by Inconscientious
Russia does have the NO1 fighter plane in terms of dogfights, and manueverability, however it isn't the Sukhoi Su-30.
There is an SU-33 Flanker, SU-35 Super Flanker, SU-37 terminator, and the SU-47 'Berkut' Golden Eagle and the upcoming SU-50 5th generation Russian aircraft.

So Far in terms of stealth the F-22 Raptor is the best, but in everything else it doesnt stand a chance.

Well the most capable out of the Su-3X series is the soon to be operational(?) Su-35 Super Flanker. Then comes the higher end Su-30s, and then everything else.

w/o stealth, the Raptor isn't totally useless; however its capability in that role is debate-able.

I think one thing, which should be obvious but appears not to be, needs pointing out.

Without any stealthiness at all the F-22 still has TVC, AESA, off-boresight capability etc etc ad nauseum and so it would *at least* be able to face the Flanker (any model) on an even footing. However it IS stealthy as well and so never needs to try.

The F-22 is the last word in current air dominance capability, albeit at a price. But the pilot wont give a damn how much his plane cost if he keeps winning. Until its stealth attributes ('cos stealth is not 'a thing') are reliably and consistently defeated it will always have a major advantage over any adversary. Which is why the Su-35 is only a lead-in to the Pak Fa programme after all, otherwise the Russians simply wouldn't bother.

For the other 99% of potential adverseries out there any of the current gen fighters can be described as 'the best' with only slight variations in accuracy, whether they are Flankers, Typhoons or whatever with no massive capability gaps among any of them, and 183 F-22's do not make America invincible, but is it is still the best there is on an individual basis.

[edit on 23-3-2008 by waynos]

Originally posted by NorthWolfe CND
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3) As we have seen in the past, in all major and minor wars, Russian fighters are just crappy replica attempts of US fighters. They are hallways blown out of the air or, most of the time, don't even bother flying...

What we have "seen" in te past is that the West can be glad that it very seldomly had to face the best communist pilots in the best communist aircraft. Because when that happened, namely the Korean War and the early stages of the 2nd Indochina War, the western forces got a profound beating even with economic, equipmental and support superiority.