Massacre in Tibet!

reply to post by chinawhite


Is this going to be a heavy ripple or quickly fade away? Thanks for the links.



Our mainstream media and China's both often belittle and lie of actual statistics.

[Edit: The video said it was unavailable so I uploaded it again. Is it working now?]

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They can run around taking pictures with stupid scarves and large Machetes but not come up with pictures of this "massacre"?



Gee, makes me feel like their lying? Perhaps ......

Here is a eyewitness account from the guardian.


The Gun shots were possibly Tibetan according to him

"Oh my God. Someone has a gun in front of me. There's a group of about 20 people - two of them have handguns. They are walking the street.They're shooting. They didn't have uniforms, but the way they were in a group I thought maybe they were police. They went down the street and the first one fired, that's for sure - I think the others did; there was so much noise I can't be sure. Then some of the citizens threw stones, but not at them - in the other direction. So I don't know if they were police or maybe Tibetans.

"I have just been out to get my things. We are staying at the hotel tonight. There are still people on the streets but only Tibetans - if they see anyone

Chinese they throw stones.

"Three times people raised their arms and then when they saw I was white they stopped it. The thing that surprised me most was that I saw no police or soldiers.

"I saw three people assaulting a man - I was 50 metres away, but I think he was Chinese. They kicked him and then one man had a knife and used it. He was lying on the floor and the man put the knife in his back, like he wanted to see he was dead.
www.guardian.co.uk...

Yes, let's just say that the uprising, not only in Lhasa but also around the world staged by capitalist imperialists, mainly USA, who wants to destabilize the region. It's like always! I'm seeing a pattern here! Burma, it was the same thing! Darfur, same there I guess.
These riots are all about lousy pesants who don't know what's good for them. They are all ungrateful and evil. Even IF the military would be shooting at them (but apperntly they are not) it would be justified.
Those farm people, when will they learn that The People's Republic of China is the true superior ruler and knows what is best for everyone. Religion is poison.
Why not take this to the extreme and just forbid buddhism all along? Then there would be no more problem! Now they have perfect oppurtunity as well!
This uprising just came down from open skies, NOTHING could have predicted it. Suddenly they want to destroy this beautiful and perfect system that has ALWAYS worked perfectly and flawlessly.
I shake my head in dispair. Hopefully this will all blow over and order can be restored.

Go China.

Over 1.2 million Tibetans have died as a direct result of the Chinese invasion and occupation of Tibet. Today, it is hard to come across a Tibetan family that has not had at least one member imprisoned or killed by the Chinese regime. According to Jigme Ngabo, "after the suppressions of 1959 and 1969, almost every family in Tibet has been affected in some way". These facts speak volumes about the "democratic reform" China claims to have brought to the "dark, feudal exploitative society" of Tibet.

More gruesome facts here

Chinese now outnumber Tibetans in Tibet by 2-1. Monasteries and their contents are destroyed and thousands of people are imprisoned or killed. China has involved itself in Buddhism by choosing the heir to the Lama. US policy towards Chinese destruction of Tibet has been dangerously weak.

In one of its most brazen religious assaults against Tibetan Buddhism, Chinese officials in November named a 6-year-old, Gyaicain Norbu, as the reincarnation of Tibet's second-holiest monk, the 10th Panchen Lama, who died in January 1989.

The move directly challenged the Dalai Lama, who in May had selected another 6-year-old boy, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, as the new Panchen Lama. The act is the rough equivalent of the Chinese government leadership's choosing the next pope to head the Catholic church.

Read more
here

Thursday, October 12, 2006
Someone should step up and demand a climbing and trekking boycott.

Chinese diplomats in the Nepalese capital of Kathmandu are tracking down and trying to silence hundreds of Western climbers and Sherpas who witnessed the killing of Tibetan refugees on the Nangpa La mountain pass last week.

An American climber, who asked not to be identified, told of his revulsion at the failure of other climbers to speak out.

"Did it make anyone turn away and go home? Not one," he said. "People are climbing right in front of you to escape persecution while you are trying to climb a mountain. It's insane."

Source
(slightly edited to fit post- linkage edited- phayul.com)

reply to post by Raud

A country that robbed territory from native indian and slaughtered most of them,
A country that grabed, traded, exploited black slave until 1860's
A country that refused to share the suffrage to female until 1900's
A country that put all Japanese descents to concentration camp in WWII,
A country that black must yield their seat to white on bus until 1960's
A country that is always at war for the profit of their munitioners,
now plays as Angell to blame others of any fault, sarcastic?

reply to post by gs001


YOU are sarcastic. The situation is IRONIC.

I am pretty damn far from being a US citizen, if that is what you think I am. I reside on the "right" side of the atlantic...

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Where as it is a horrible thing and it is happening again.........

I am sorry; I cannot call 2 priests murdered as a massacre-a term that is bantered about too much lately.

reply to post by gs001


Btw, if you know some great way to rewind the past and make everything ok, let's do it!
Otherwise, let's stick to reality and try change the present instead. It makes so much more sense.

I don't mean to act all hostile towards you, but I sense some sort of attack against me in your post. Correct me if I am wrong.

Peace.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


Well, if you would care to read the thread you would see that the death toll is up to 10 now...and there are still many people in hospitals. All of them may not survive.

I can't believe that this thread has come to be a discussion about terminology instead of the political issue. That is absurd. You people live all too confortable lives.
Post something useful or don't post at all.

Meanwhile, in Australia...

Tibetans Turn Violent In Sydney Protest

It was during this excitement that a plain-clothed police officer, mistaken for a Chinese consulate security officer, was set upon by the protesters, sparking a running fight with police who were steadily arriving in greater numbers.

The Asian officer was spat on, pushed and shoved and hit on the head with protest signs as he retreated to a car while firing capsicum spray back at his attackers.

Other officers drew their batons as they struggled with protesters, arresting four.

Three more were taken into custody during a 25-minute sit-in on the street outside the consulate that followed soon after the running melee.

The group eventually dispersed to a nearby park after talks with police.

Protester Lobsang Lungtok said emotions among the group were high because of the deaths in Tibet.

The protesters turned on the Asian police officer "because they thought he was from the Chinese Consulate", Mr Lungtok said.

"We didn't know he was one of the police."

Yeah, we swarmed him, but it`s ok because we thought he was Chinese...

Yikes.

Originally posted by jmdewey60

We should, at the very least, do our part to not tune into the tv coverage of the Olympics.

Well that'll be easy. Remember Nagano? Blegh.

Not to make light of a horrible situation, but who cares about the Olympics anymore, really?

Waning interest in the giant-waste-of-money-lympics, turmoil with Tibet, Chinese tensions with the US... I think people will steer clear of it.

It's kinda like if the XFL was held on D-Day on the beaches of Normandy. It's easily avoidable when most people are going to avoid it anyway.

I'm sorry about the friggin Tibetans, though. Protests ending in massacre is a crime against the universe.

reply to post by Raud


Sorry for targetting at you if you are really "on the "right" side of the atlantic".
and I'm not always defending Chinese government and Communist, they should introduce
more democracy and freedom to China, many Chinese are losing patience for their
tardiness on political reform.
As for Tibet, I believe in your eyes, Tibetan must be living in hell on earth, right?
last year I visited there, I didn't find much oppression on Tibetan.
ordinary Tibetan(not fanatic separatists) are having their happy life,
I took hundreds of pictures there.
I hope one day, you will be there to see the truth with your own eyes.
Don't always trust in those separatists, they can't represent majority of Tibetan


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reply to post by Raud


Everyone here is allowed to post facts/opinions and links.

If they don't match others opinions-too bad.

Sorry, ATS does not have the you must agree with my post to respond to it rule.

reply to post by Raud


I find many responses here to be of an uneducated nature. Tibets history is complicated. The chinese over ran Tibet for the rich resources, flooded in chinese nationals to set up chinese businesses and housekeeping and made Tibetans second class citizens. If you read "In Exile From The Land of Snow" you will get a clear peicture of the Tibetan struggle.

I have boycotted anything chinese since I was old enogh to shop, not because of the rape of Tibet but because of the brutal treatment of their own populace. The cheap, poisoned chinese goods that flood the world are produced by a slave labor force.

www.tibet.org...

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reply to post by gs001


Native American blood flows through my veins and I am American. I hate the the brutal past of my own country and I hate what my country does now in the Middle East, but most of all I hate that my country sits back and watches the genocide being undertaken by the chinese in Tibet, and fueling it all with the purchase of all that wonderful junk that is produced by the chinese.

reply to post by Witness2008

I hate the "genocide being undertaken by the chinese in Tibet"
if it has really happened. but I didn't hear any genocide in Tibet.
of course I know you will say that you get information from
those separatists or someone hostile to China , OK, just believe it,
no one wants to persuade you.
It is not the first time for American to be cheated. Iraq WMD and so on
I remembered that I had posted some pictures taken in Tibet in this forum
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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reply to post by gs001


I am unsure of your point in your last post. The wonderful pics are of chinese archtecture, chinese streets, and chinese people shopping. For every monastary still standing there were three that were destroyed. I doubt that beautiful monestary still holds the wealth of history it once had.

I see in those pics buildings that polute and take away from what Tibetans cherish, the love of being at one with their environment. Why not listen to Tibetans, would not they know best what they want? Your rational would dictate that we turn a blind eye because of the same atrosities that were perpetrated against Native Americans.

reply to post by Witness2008

So, you believe Tibetan never deserve changing or improving or modernizing
their own life? and every change in Tibet was imposed by Chinese government?
not Tibetan's own choice? you are really interesting,
I'm sick of talking with people like you, guy, keep in your dream, please.

reply to post by gs001


I understand the history of Tibet, I have read everything I could get my hands on that covered the subject. I am also Buddhist and have an indepth understanding of what china stripped from the very spiritual Tibetans. Modernization my friend is not always the best way to go, especially when that modernization pollutes and destroys and imprisons.