2 Big Questions About SPITZER Sex Scandal

We all know now that the Governor of New York is an
unfaithful husband, and a hypocrite.

(In the interest of disclosure, I am a Democrat)

I think he should resign, and I think we will, but I have 2 questions
I cannot find answers for, and maybe my smart friends at ATS can help:


1) It has been rumored that he has used prostitutes for 6 years, or more.
Regardless of how long he has used the services of hooker rings, what I cannot figure out is how NOT ONE of the actual girls ever recognized him as either the Attorney General of NY or the Governor (depending on the timeframe). Sure- most of the girls may not watch CNN on their free time, but he has ALWAYS been a high profile guy- especially in NY, where this last service was based. Wouldn't some girl either sell the story, or tell a friend who tells a friend who tells a reporter? In other words, even though he used cash and not wires, and used Geroge Fox as an alias, he surely did not wear a mask like the dudes in the orgy during EYES WIDE SHUT. So how come word of this never leaked out? Or, rather than leaking out, how come a girl never went back to her (underworld) boss and said "Hey, we might want to re-think Client 9... he is the Attorney General (or Governor) of New York!" Finally, if one of the allegedly MANY girls he paid for recognized him, wouldn't one of the escort service bosses realize the value of that information... the leverage he or she would have with him? They could have used it to either extort him or protect themselves from future prosecution... after all, they are professional criminals.

2) He gave the last girl, Kristen, $4300 after the DC tryst, using only 2 of 4 paid hours, and establishing a future credit. Now that the scandal has hit the media, and all signs point to him not using the now defunct Emporers Club VIP services any more, my second question is... will he get a refund?


T.

It's time to dig deeper than that and you are sure to find many others, who have been hiding behind the teapot with so many shocking activities not only in the prostitution business, but also deeply involved in the dope trade, organ trade, human trade, immigration trade, weapons trade, spy trade, looting trade and also in the insider trading, prostituting the American economy to kingdom come


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First off ive got to say im a strange creature - a Libertarian/Republican hybrid

Ive got two points to add :

1. Thank god it wasnt another republican senator! God knows the GOP has had enough scandal for a century yet.

2. They probably did use leverage to get themselves out of prosecution. Or more sinister possibilities involve "silencing" of the hookers by any means possible. Not sure if he would get a refund haha! Now that the **** has hit the fan, maybe he ought to just use the credit he has bought lol.

1. You rat a client out, you are probably finished in the sex business.

2. Hellz no he will never get a refund!

Question #1- It's an election year. This has probably been sat on until now. Can't have an election without mudslinging. I read that he endorses Hillary.

Question #2- Funny. If he doesn't use it can I?

Good point. They would be killing their own professional credibility (at least to get the high roller celebrity types) if they tried anything like that. My guess is that Eliot is singing a pretty song to the feds right now while he tries to cut a deal to keep out of jail. Psssss... Do you guys wanna know what the mayor (Name any big NY city) was doing last November 18. He's cutting his plea bargain first, then he resigns and writes his book.

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I don't know the exact answers to your questions. Only those involved will know for a while, but what has a lot of people concerned is how this man could have compromised everything by dealing with an industry run by organized crime, considering their propensity for blackmail.

In fact, it might very well be that he is, or was, being blackmailed.

O'Reilly is talking about this right now.

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Yeah, all good responses.

Obviously, my #2 question was just a joke...

But the #1 question was serious... I am just amazed that it
had not been leaked (like on Page Six of the NY Post) before this,
and that Spitzer, such a smart man, never considered the vulnerability of being IDed by the girls he, well, rented...

Imagine Spitzer having a drug problem, and instead of using a middleman to procure his drugs- someone he trusted or had control over- he went to a regular drug dealer... over and over again, himself.

I can understand human fraility and error (drug addiction or sex addicition) in terms of the sin/crime itself... but I am amazed at his lack of precaution, or, I suppose, his arrogance... thinking this would never catch up to him...

And for a Harvard Law grad, lawyer, former Attorney General for the biggest city in the world and Governor... to have actually wired money to a prostitution front company, from his OWN account.... well, I guess it's like they said... Einstein, while at Princeton, often forgot the way home from his office.

Even the smartest of us... are dumb in certain ways.

Maybe that is a good thing in a way. No one, regardless of wealth, power, title or IQ... is better than anyone else...

That's what happens when you let the little head do the thinking for the big head.

hookers are a mainstay of some politicians. at least it wasnt little boys, shouldnt we be applauding him for that?

I really doubt hookers watch any of the new channels, even CNN.
Heck, why would they?

Even if they recognized him they still wouldn't be able to place him.
Even if they did, why would they jeapordize their source of income by blowing the whistle?
When was the last time a hooker signed a book deal?

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I think this whole blow up about his sexual relations is aimed to make democrats look bad... With this and what happened with Clinton in the past it could be some sort of ploy to target democrats as being unfaithful and dirty... Sorry to say but the Clinton's are unfaithful and in my opinion they are also dirty.. I respect Obama for being patient with all of Clintons attempts to make him look bad, but overall this type of thing can hurt an entire party... I don't know for sure so don't quote me, just my opinion here...

i doubt hookers watch CNN as well-
and I said that.

But this guy was high profile.

And I do not mean some hooker would go to the cops...
but sure, some girl could have easily

a) sold her story for a million bucks to a tabloid.

b) told her best friend, who told a friend who told a friend, etc...

c) told her boss, who used in the info to blackmail the Governor.

PEOPLE CANNOT KEEP SECRETS FOREVER.

That fact, my friends, is the FOUNDATION of ATS...
that the truth, in the end, will always come out... with enough time...

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Whatever the case, if he was stupid enough to make those high dollars transactions and send up those red flags, he deserves what he gets.

They probably din't recognize him because he probably looks different naked.

Valid points have been made here. But I think that the real reason that one of these call girls or someone else connected to the agency didn't leak this story out earlier is because they realized that Elliot Spitzers political star was still very much in the ascendancy, and that he had the ability to go all the way to the Whitehouse. How much could that person have gotten for having that knowledge to keep quiet about it? Especially if Spitzer couldn't be sure that the individual who did this hadn't alrady squirreled away the evidence of his activities or of having told someone else to protect their own lives just in case. So it could very well have been within an individuals best interests to keep this quiet until that time in the future after Elliot Spitzer had taken the Presidential oath. This is my theory on why this hadn' been leaked out earlier. And this is born out somewhat by the redacted FBI affidavit that came out in the MSNBC websites story on the case Monday afternoon. I believe that people can still read that document today if they go to the MSNBC website, where it is also available for download.

I highly doubt Spitzer was using your run of the mill, meth head street walking hooker.

These girls would be top end call girls.

I watch cops. I know these junkie hookers will perform almost any act anywhere for as little as $20

The girls Spitzer was paying for would have been a little classier than that.

CT

I think there is one very important point that you're over-looking, and that's the value in having a man like Spitzer as a client. Value both explicit and implicit.

Like other posters said, for that kinda change (5k a session), these werent crackhead streetwalkers. Likely, they were at least moderately intelligent women, and would certainly know that Spitzer was Governor of NY. So why wouldnt they rat him out? Well, they would be admitting they are prostitutes, and everyone in the nation would know it, for one. If your face were plastered all over the tabloids for being the Gov's whore, that might destroy your life just a bit. Plus, they were getting very well paid by this man. If they sold him out, it would obviously stop that gravy train, but the attention would likely end the business entirely.

The other reason why I think they didn't sell him out? Pure leverage. Having that kind of information about a man who was seen as a rising star in the Dem. party, the "Sheriff of Wall Street", and the Governor of the Empire State? Who wouldn't want that kind of influence? Plus, leverage like that never goes away, unless what you're leveraging with becomes public knowledge (which no one would have predicted with Spitzer), so you have him on the hook now, and in whatever office he may hold in the future.

There's no doubt that some of the girl's would have known his identity. How ever, we only have to go back a few years, to the "fun" times of Madam Fleiss. The girls in her "stable", made thousands of dollars a week, being wined and dined at 5 star hotel's and onboard corporate Learjet's. Those were just the "ordinary" rich guys with lots of loose cash. Then think about all the Hollywood star's, whom every girl would know... Even when Heidi were taken down, none were rattet out. Not by her or her girls. I'm sure that even now any tabloid rag, would pay a sh..load of money, for an "inside" story. Call it class or whatever, but one excample of the opposite, would be Mr. Hugh Grant. I'm danish, and we legalized pornografy in 1972. I have no problem with prostitution, as long as it's legal and okay with all parties involved. Unfortunately it's a dirty business, and to many women get forced into such hellholes, either by Snakeheads or Coyotes to pay off the trip to the states. Or maybe it's their pimp, crazy boyfriend, drugs or even sheer necessity to feed their kid(s) and pay the rent. And let's not talk about kids. My point is, the more power some men get, the more they think they can get away anything. Please correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't New York reelect a mayor, caught redhanded smoking coke with a woman at at hotel. It was a sting operation, but as I recall it, nobody forced that pipe into his mouth. What kind of signal is that sending to other men in politics. Look what i got away with, no jail and a reelection...way to go America.

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Originally posted by HighDefinitionFilms
...what I cannot figure out is how NOT ONE of the actual girls ever recognized him as either the Attorney General of NY or the Governor (depending on the timeframe).

I'm sure they recognized him, but who else do you think is using $1000 per hour call girls if not politicians and high profile business men? ALL of their clients have something to hide and these services are more about confidentiality than the talent of the girls.

I think his account credit should be treated like an unsavory political donation, give it to charity. Sex for the needy.. hell, that would probably get him re-elected

"Never talk when you can nod, and never nod when you can wink, and never write an e-mail because it's death."

- Eliot Spitzer

Hee hee, he should add to that, "Never talk on the phone to prostitutes or launder money to pay for prostitutes." The fool was once an insider to these kind of busts. He should have know better than to act the way he did. I suppose he thought he was "smarter" than the feds he used to work with.