Alien presence evidence? You decide.

Yep I remember this video, has been discussed and discussed and discussed.

Here is one link from Feb of this year.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Will probably give you a bit more information as well. Really don't feel like picking things apart at the moment in that thread. Though you all can go crazy with it

Edit-
Apparently I had another Tab opened that gives information on this video as well so I'll link it as well.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 11-3-2008 by Leviatano]

This is the first alien/UFO video I've came across that looks legit to me, but I have a few questions that maybe some of you have found the answers to by reading up on the other threads linked in this thread.

1) Has anyone asked the kid exactly what he saw behind the pole? Was the alien just floating there, was there a big portal the alien was coming through or maybe something else?

2) One of the guys doing the presentation in the video mentioned three American universities that studied the site and came up with the same findings about the radiation levels. Has anyone found any information on the universities and their findings?

That video sorry to say is crap!, its sooo low quality!

Let's see, throw a little polonium dust on that telephone pole and you have instant concentrated radiation that will last and last.

Never thought much of this alleged abduction attempt. Never thought much of JM either. He's the carnival barker of the UFO world.

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This has been debunked on ATS several times. Not sure why this is such a great find as it's been around for years

Originally posted by Quazga
reply to post by Outlawstar

 

This has been debunked on ATS several times. Not sure why this is such a great find as it's been around for years

Couldn't agree more. This topic is years old. I believe the growth of ATS is allowing new users/researchers to the UFO field to dig up old topics (which is fine). Perhaps there can be a "veterans" forum where only new info. can surface. I dunno. Just thinkin out loud.

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Jaime Maussan has presented many hoaxes as evidence in the past it boggles my mind how some still take him seriously.

This video is an obvious fake, just look at the shadow on the wall. It outlines someone standing behind the tree.

Originally posted by Quazga
reply to post by Outlawstar

 

This has been debunked on ATS several times. Not sure why this is such a great find as it's been around for years

Just when did I say it was a great find?
Exactly.
I was simply curious about a video Ive found and posted a thread about it.
The main response seems to be that yes indeed it is s hoax.

Ill stay on the fence for now though.

Originally posted by Quazga
reply to post by Outlawstar

 

This has been debunked on ATS several times. Not sure why this is such a great find as it's been around for years

Were these debunkings proper critical analysis backed up by supporting evidence? ... or were they speculation marathons? Speculation which, when repeated loudly and long enough, turned to fact in people's minds?

I wonder.

Originally posted by Dagar

Originally posted by Quazga
reply to post by Outlawstar

 

This has been debunked on ATS several times. Not sure why this is such a great find as it's been around for years

Were these debunkings proper critical analysis backed up by supporting evidence? ... or were they speculation marathons? Speculation which, when repeated loudly and long enough, turned to fact in people's minds?

I wonder.

Thats what I like to hear, if your all gonna go telling be its been debunked, show me how.

Originally posted by Dagar
Were these debunkings proper critical analysis backed up by supporting evidence? ... or were they speculation marathons? Speculation which, when repeated loudly and long enough, turned to fact in people's minds?

I wonder.

Hello Dagar. First and foremost, since this to my knowledge is our first ATS interaction, I'd like to tell you how much I've enjoyed reading your perspective on several different threads this past week. You always tend to bring a sort of balance between skepticism and proponent views. I like that, and I completely understand your point here.

Unfortunately for those of us who are looking for solid proof, this was shown to be a hoax.

But this also serves as a 'good mark' on the ATS community. A lot of serious research was put into this case, and many different angles were examined.

From what I recall, there is an optical illusion in play. It does look like nothing human could stand behind that skinny pole and have such a long arm.

The illusion comes into play because just to the right of the pole, is an alleyway, and the pole lies within our visual perspective just in front of the alleyway's entrance to the street.

This was shown to be a prank, by the kid's in the video themselves. One stood behind the 'pole' (actually in the alleyway) and stuck out his arm, giving a perfect re-enactment from the same location of the same optical illusion.

Also important to note, is that after this prank was exposed by the kids (who had grown tired of people harassing them about the case) JM still continued to espouse this case as authentic.

I just want everyone to know, that this can all be found using the links I posted earlier on in this thread.

Here again is the link to the 'solution' to this mystery:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The youtube video portraying the 'solution' is here:


I completely understand the confusion, if someone has never seen this (or similar videos) before, and wants to debate them. I was new here myself just last December, not so long ago, and began to run into the same issues.

That is why I developed the Compilation Thread, pertaining to the available evidence for EBE/Aliens. It is linked in my signature below.
It was inspired by Gazrok's UFO Compilation, also linked. Gazrok's compilation allowed me to get 'up to speed' on old case files, in order to catch up with the rest of ATS.

I highly suggest that anyone new to ATS read Gazrok's compilation, and not to advertise, but mine too Also the sticky threads at the top of the UFO Forum mainpage hold a wealth of data already discussed at ATS.

But like I said before, this sort of thing is perfectly understandable, and I remember well the feeling of excitement I got when I first heard about this video. I would not rob that passion, nor the opportunity to discuss the topic from anyone. Good on all of you for wanting to find the answers!

I hope that you can find some of them in the Compilations some of us have already established. If they do help, please feel free to contribute to them with new case files! A database is only as strong as the researchers compiling it

Keep at it OutlawStar. You're asking the right questions

-WFA

Originally posted by Acidtastic
I presume that this video has also been discussed on here many times before too.

clicky

Yes this is also in the Compilation, where several ATS threads already discussing the topic are linked.

HOWEVER, I don't recall this one being debunked. There were jokes made about the guy being drunk, but I don't think anything conclusive ever came of it. The guy quit his job soon after and disappeared.

-WFA

I totally thought the video was fake. But the analysis seemed very interesting. If it was all faked why did the "alien" have such a long arm? In the redo it didn't seem look the same length at all... And what about the radiation? Was that all faked too? Some things just don't add up...

Originally posted by jbondo
Let's see, throw a little polonium dust on that telephone pole and you have instant concentrated radiation that will last and last.

I'm sure that in your future, polonium is available in every corner drug store, but in 2008 it's a little hard to come by.

Sorry, couldn't help to throw in a Doc Brown quote, with a little tweak by me. Where do you acquire your polonium dust? I sure every kid in Mexico has a vial just in case.

Any documentation on the findings that the scientists did for the radiation? Links would be good.

And it would be good to conctact the boys who were directly involved in the near abduction.
Thats the only way you idiots may get to the bottom of this. Personally i don't think its real.

Very interesting video, could be real. Jaime Mausson is a Bona Fide investigator & Journalist. However, the location is not Brazil. They are speaking Spanish with Mexican accent, not Portuguese. It is in Mexico not Brazil this "encounter"...

Originally posted by WitnessFromAfar

Originally posted by Dagar
Were these debunkings proper critical analysis backed up by supporting evidence? ... or were they speculation marathons? Speculation which, when repeated loudly and long enough, turned to fact in people's minds?

I wonder.

Hello Dagar. First and foremost, since this to my knowledge is our first ATS interaction, I'd like to tell you how much I've enjoyed reading your perspective on several different threads this past week. You always tend to bring a sort of balance between skepticism and proponent views. I like that, and I completely understand your point here.

Unfortunately for those of us who are looking for solid proof, this was shown to be a hoax.

But this also serves as a 'good mark' on the ATS community. A lot of serious research was put into this case, and many different angles were examined.

From what I recall, there is an optical illusion in play. It does look like nothing human could stand behind that skinny pole and have such a long arm.

The illusion comes into play because just to the right of the pole, is an alleyway, and the pole lies within our visual perspective just in front of the alleyway's entrance to the street.

This was shown to be a prank, by the kid's in the video themselves. One stood behind the 'pole' (actually in the alleyway) and stuck out his arm, giving a perfect re-enactment from the same location of the same optical illusion.

Also important to note, is that after this prank was exposed by the kids (who had grown tired of people harassing them about the case) JM still continued to espouse this case as authentic.

I just want everyone to know, that this can all be found using the links I posted earlier on in this thread.

Here again is the link to the 'solution' to this mystery:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The youtube video portraying the 'solution' is here:

I completely understand the confusion, if someone has never seen this (or similar videos) before, and wants to debate them. I was new here myself just last December, not so long ago, and began to run into the same issues.

That is why I developed the Compilation Thread, pertaining to the available evidence for EBE/Aliens. It is linked in my signature below.
It was inspired by Gazrok's UFO Compilation, also linked. Gazrok's compilation allowed me to get 'up to speed' on old case files, in order to catch up with the rest of ATS.

I highly suggest that anyone new to ATS read Gazrok's compilation, and not to advertise, but mine too

Also the sticky threads at the top of the UFO Forum mainpage hold a wealth of data already discussed at ATS.

But like I said before, this sort of thing is perfectly understandable, and I remember well the feeling of excitement I got when I first heard about this video. I would not rob that passion, nor the opportunity to discuss the topic from anyone. Good on all of you for wanting to find the answers!

I hope that you can find some of them in the Compilations some of us have already established. If they do help, please feel free to contribute to them with new case files! A database is only as strong as the researchers compiling it

Keep at it OutlawStar. You're asking the right questions

-WFA

Thanks for such a logical view, though I must say Im still not fully convinced this is a hoax.

When you say the kids said it was a hoax do you mean for a second time, as in the video I posted it is stated that yes the kids did admit it was a hoax but that it was actually the newspaper lying, they didint say anything and werent even interviewed for that matter.

Still solidly on the fence over here^__^

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Hi there, and thank you for your logical response as well!
At the risk of sounding skeptical, here are my issues:

1) There is no documentation on any testing for radioactivity to be found anywhere. I'm not saying the area wasn't radioactive, I'm just saying I need evidence to supply if I'm to argue that radioactivity was present.
Radioactive decay just isn't going to stop so soon after exposure. If someone is truly interested in this aspect of the case, this area can still be tested for exposure. To date, I haven't seen a report, or even a video with a beeping Geiger Counter. And I've looked, ALL OVER.

2) The kids that were in the original video are the same kids in this new video that I posted. They are there explaining how they pulled it off. It's from their own mouths, and it affirms the newspaper interview where they claimed it was a prank before.

3) JM, I'm sorry, has lost credibility in my view. This is for several reasons, most prominently because he still espouses claims like this as authentic, when they have been shown by the parties involved to be false. ALSO, and this is the biggie for me, JM paid these kids to tell their original story. If this was an actual EBE encounter (as seems to be the case with the Mexican Police Officer in another incident) there would be no need to prompt the kids with money to tell their tale. If this were real, it would be the kids themselves claiming it to be real, as opposed to what we see now, which is JM claiming it's real and the kids explaining the prank.

I really am not one of those skeptics that doesn't believe anything at all EBE/Alien related.

I just don't buy this particular case. If someone can show me radioactive decay happening in the area, I'll take another look for certain.

-WFA

p.s. Well met OutlawStar

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Hi Witness *waves*

Thank you for that illuminating and reason-laden post

To be honest I wasn't really arguing for or against the video contents' authenticity. I'll leave that to more experienced, better and sharper minds than mine.. hehe

The point I was really trying to make, and which I'll continue to make wherever I think it's valid (and if the mods let me) is that it is all to easy to dismiss something with a 'Oh it's already been debunked on ATS/elsewhere' when (at least some of the time) such a thing may not have actually happened.

Most of the threads I've read on the UFO contain little in the way of absolute proof of one viewpoint or another. YES, there are quite a few occasions when a sighting or event has been explained as 'most like being this or that'... but, in my view, that does not mean that event has been debunked.

To my mind something can only be debunked if it's proven 100% to be whatever the proponent of the explanation says it is.

Failing this what we have is opinion. It might be informed opinion, even a reasonable explanation... but that doesn't make it absolute fact, and thus one should keep an open mind.

The trouble with a 'reasonable' explanation is that when two people start from two entirely different viewpoints, what constitutes a 'reasonable' explanation will differ dramatically for each inidividual.

Example:

Person A thinks that it is entirely reasonable to believe we are being visited by ET and some of the sightings might be them... If they then see a strange craft perfoming outlandish manouvres, for them the most likely explanation is that what they've seen is an ET spacecraft... particularly in the absence of any evidence that anyone on earth has those capabilities

Person B thinks that it's unlikely, even impossible, that ET could be visiting us. They see the same thing as person A. For them a 'reasonable explanation is that they either misidentified what they saw, or it was some exotic black project.

Person B would only entertain A's explanation only after exhausting every other possibility... maybe not even then

Person A would probably say 'I'm pretty I know what I saw, and it was not of this earth. B's explanations would only be accepted if proven to be as such

Anyway, just because someone says a sighting or event has been debunked here on ATS is no reason to stop looking at it (as the original poster I replied to was implying). What's been labelled as 'debunked' might simply be a whole bunch of speculation, opinion, and possible explanations... not necessarily the actual 100% FACTS.

Pleasure to exchange posts with you

EDIT to add... I'll take a look at your thread

[edit on 12/3/2008 by Dagar]

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Since you mention radioactivity... What I thought was weird was that the geiger counter he used was never taken away from the hotspot... so we could see that the radiation was normal elsewhere. It would also prove that someone hadn't fiddled with the GC and stuck the needle all the way to the right... lol

... or did I miss that happening?