UFO Orb Propulsion -Creating External Vacuum -No G-Force

Several ago I read about an alien encounter where the aliens said that
their propulsion system-(when they were in a planet's atmosphere) was
to create an external vacuum in the direction they wanted to go and the
entire atmosphere of the planet as a whole pushed them. This vacuum
mode eliminated any G-force so that they were able to make abrupt
right-angle turns at 5k mph or Mach 10 without slamming into the walls.

If you think about it-it makes perfect sense. Nature abhors a vacuum
and utilizing this knowledge a sophisticated advanced technology
came up with this natural energy solution. Not only would this account
for the abrupt right-angle turns but it would also make sense that
you would want your planetary probe ships to be orbs or geometric
derivations on the sphere such as disks to give you an easier 360 degree
directional drive system.

Now how they created an external vacuum drive system is another story...
as is the wormhole drive system of the mothership.

By the way is there a way I can give all my points away to someone else?
I don't really care about points or all that trivial nonsense.
I would just rather have good communications with fellow ATS travelers.

If you were able to do that, you would accelerate just a bit faster than a hot air baloon(hot air baloon reduces mass per unit volume, vacuum is nothing more than 0 mass per unit vomule).

In other words, the force produced by the atmosphere is not very big. Otherwise, you would see older TVs flying everywhere(since they contain a vacuun tube).

Also, being in vacuum doesn't eliminate G-forces. If you were floating in space(vacuum), and an asteroid hit you at 10,000mph, you would expect to die, wouldn't you? Same principle with G-Forces. If your body was inside a spacecraft, and it accelerated from 0 to 10,000mph in a very short period of time, it would be exactly the same as the asteroid hitting you regardless of if you are in vacuum or not.



[edit on 10-3-2008 by daniel_g]

reply to post by daniel_g
The principle of all propulsion systems is to create a pressure differential which imparts a thrust, usually by creating a higher pressure behind the thruster than in front. If we could create and maintain a vacuum in open air on the leading surfaces of the craft the result would be the same and at sea level just 1 square foot of vacuum on the leading edge would provide a thrust of over 20000lb at sea level, obviously reducing with altitude. Intense ionisation of the air could *possibly* do this as the charged air molecules are repelled from each other and the surface of the ioniser and such a unit need not necessarily have any moving parts.

You're right about the inertia problem and the only way to defeat that is make your effective mass in relation all outside influences equal to zero.

I think it’s a total nonscence with the vacuum propultion. I don’t see any way to reduce or to negate gravity on the inside passangers, they would be torn to pieces. I am not even sure that this technology would work somehow. You, or the one who proposed it first, didn’t have it completely figuret out.

The specifications proposed / explained HERE are more detailed and more plausible.

The vacuum idea is great - if it did work, you would be accelerated very quickly indeed. The force would be muuuch greater than the lift that moves a hot air balloon, as hot air balloons are only slightly less dense than the surrounding air. Obviously a true vacuum is infinitely less dense than that, and the atmosphere will press very, very hard on something "sitting" on a vacuum. The only trouble is how would the aliens stop the atmosphere from flooding into the vacuum instead of the ship?

Also, the vacuum doesn't change the fact your insides would rip through your body if you made a fast-enough G turn, even in a vacuum (hint: G doesn't stand for 'air' but 'gravity').

So if this alien really says that's how they travel, then either him or the guy who said he spoke to him are lying.

Originally posted by daniel_g
If you were able to do that, you would accelerate just a bit faster than a hot air baloon(hot air baloon reduces mass per unit volume, vacuum is nothing more than 0 mass per unit vomule).

In other words, the force produced by the atmosphere is not very big. Otherwise, you would see older TVs flying everywhere(since they contain a vacuun tube).

Also, being in vacuum doesn't eliminate G-forces. If you were floating in space(vacuum), and an asteroid hit you at 10,000mph, you would expect to die, wouldn't you? Same principle with G-Forces. If your body was inside a spacecraft, and it accelerated from 0 to 10,000mph in a very short period of time, it would be exactly the same as the asteroid hitting you regardless of if you are in vacuum or not.



[edit on 10-3-2008 by daniel_g]

Umm. I don't understand how you would expect to feel G-Forces in empty space. No Gravity = Limitless movement.

reply to post by Brain2100cc


Actually G forces include inertial forces (forces that only exist in a rotating or accelerating reference frame). They are felt just like gravity and can oppose gravity. For example, in orbit, astronauts float in "Zero-G", even though gravity is almost as strong as it is on the ground. There is no such thing as moving out of Earth's gravity well - it extends to infinity, and is not related to the atmosphere.

IMO the OP must be right about UFO directly controlling the atmospheric pressure on their hull. All known aircrafts fly by creating a depression on their top side to generate lift.

Magnetohydrodynamics is the science of controlling fluids (water or air) with magnetic fields. MHD may explain why UFO are often see as brilliant plasma balls, and don't make hypersonic booms.

[edit on 2008-3-10 by nablator]

reply to post by GoldenGalaxy

I read about an alien encounter where the aliens said that
their propulsion system-(when they were in a planet's atmosphere) was
to create an external vacuum in the direction they wanted to go and the
entire atmosphere of the planet as a whole pushed them.

Any pointer to the alien encounter story? It's a very reasonable idea, so maybe there was some other useful information revealed by the aliens?

reply to post by GoldenGalaxy

Not only would this account for the abrupt right-angle turns but it would also make sense that you would want your planetary probe ships to be orbs or geometric derivations on the sphere such as disks to give you an easier 360 degree directional drive system.

As has been already pointed out, a vacuum does not negate G forces in right-angle turns or huge accelerations. A cubic hull would be just as efficient if you could control air pressure on demand on every side of the hull.

200 G+ accelerations and right-angle turns are produced by extra-dimensional shifts, exchanging kinetic energy with some other form of energy produced by the craft. IMHO of course.

The alien encounter story is somewhere in the chaos of my extensive UFO files.
I've been collecting these stories for over 30 years so it's a big box of articles, etc.
I am repeating what I remember of this story. In all my years of studying the UFO
phenomena this story really stood out since it was so bizarre. If I find the story
-I'll certainly recount it for you... for now I'll give you the few facts I remember.
What I do remember about this particular case was that the aliens themselves
were multidimensional light beings who spoke about feeding through a process they
called star alimentation -direct nourishment from starlight. These aliens were way beyond
your standard meat and potato-head aliens. The contactee spoke of the craft
-that it was a transluscent orb that seemed extremely light in weight to the contactee.
And their way of perceiving time was way out there too.
The only similarity with standard UFO alien contact is that they did comment on the
primitive low level of brutish earthlings. And they described their system of propulsion-
unfortunately not in great detail-just pretty much as I described. Over the years I've
contemplated this idea of utilizing a multi-directional external vacuum and it's always
been imaginatively exciting. The experimentation with this type of propulsion system
would yield surprising results beyond the concepts of inhibited minds.
Given that they are multidimensional light beings they obviously do not have
the same limitations that earthlings do. Some of these negative comments are akin
to the comments made in the Medieval Age about space flight by mediocrity.

reply to post by nablator


UFO's do make abrupt right angle turns at unbelievable speeds.
What is your theory on how they do this?

Originally posted by GoldenGalaxy

 

UFO's do make abrupt right angle turns at unbelievable speeds.
What is your theory on how they do this?

Gravity and inertia are different things but both are a property of mass IE if an object has mass it will feel/create the effect of gravitational attraction to other objects having mass and also show inertia (which is a resistance to acceleration or changes of direction) as per Newton's laws of motion. A high speed turn even in a gravity-free environment will apply destructive forces due to inertia and being in space does not equate to being weightless because gravity is everywhere and it obeys the inverse square law. We can orbit the planet by travelling fast enough around it for the centrifugal force to be exactly equal to the acceleration due to gravity. A spacecraft re-enters the atmosphere from an orbit by using thrusters to slow it down enough to weaken its centrifugal force so gravity can pull it back down to earth.

My opinion on these reported 'impossible' maneuvers is the entire object would need to be enveloped in a field which gives everything inside it an effective mass of 0 in relation to outside forces and this has an added benefit in terms of how much thrust is required to achieve fantastic acceleration rates.

F=m.a so if mass m is a virtual 0 then so is the required force F and acceleration a can be virtually infinite. The same applies to forces resulting from acceleration such as those experienced in changing direction.

It's really interesting if you ever get to see one do this because it completely defies what we've come to understand today with respect to G-forces and such, sort of aw-inspiring.

However I shame those who pull the act of going against those putting forth theories about such, however ridiculous. It is wild theories that drives true science to understand the universe. Science is ever expanding and eventually we'll see that maybe we can create a vacuum in space, a true vacuum devoid of anything via electromagnetivity or whatever new technologies we have hundreds of years from now.

We're still studying the atom, we're still studying gravity and a lot coming to terms with the universe the best way we can interpret it.

Remember we once held closely the world was flat, that Earth was the center of the universe and that heavier than air travel was impossible.

Keep an open mind, let those with true wings give flight to real science. Nay sayers can stay behind.

reply to post by GoldenGalaxy


As I said, I am convinced alien UFO combine at least two advanced propulsion systems based on 1) MHD and 2) quantum shifts (= rotations) of the craft in the compactified extra dimensions.

1) is used for atmospheric flight, both hypersonic or slower speed, hovering and landings.

2) enables right angle turns, extreme accelerations and sudden disappearance. You can't travel in the compactified space of the extra dimensions, the craft does not rotate as a whole, but each of its particles does.

I'm waiting for the TOE - or at least further developments to the M-theory or brane cosmology - to understand the usefulness of 2).

[edit on 2008-3-11 by nablator]

I have my own extra-terrestrial source of information for the two advanced propulsion systems, of course.

reply to post by nablator


What does it mean that you "have your own source?" Why wouldn't you share that info?

reply to post by Goosenapper


Just like the OP, I have read many reports, the published, well documented stuff. Some of the best is not available in English, BTW. While most of them are useless from the scientific POV, some make sense, more or less, when reading between the lines and looking for patterns. I don't buy most of the contactee stories, but I believe some truths have been leaked more than once. Sources are many, truth is scarce.

reply to post by nablator


Got ya. Thanks for the clarification.
I thought that you were going to hint at how you had a Grey living in your closet and he only spoke to you and hated cameras...

Don't you think that a true vacuum would not even have any gravity at all.
Perhaps the aliens counter gravity with an anti-gravity modulator when
creating the vacuum to make the vacuum as pure as possible.
Of course there can never be a completely pure vacuum that a mind knows
about because the awareness of that mind would permeate the vacuum.
(a slight variation on Heisenberg's Principle).

Your alien pattern recognition theories are terrific.
Why would the craft not rotate and only the particles?
Do you have anymore inter-dimensional wormhole theories for interstellar travel?
Do you think that there is potential in harnessing neutrinos in inter-dimensional and
interstellar travel?