There is NO HELL!!!

The point of this thread on hell is not to force what I believe about the existence of hell onto any of you... So what is the point of this thread than? To prove to you that there is a possibility that the whole existence of hell could be a interpretational error, and that there is a possibility that eternal damnation is being separated from God for all eternity, and that the lake of fire will be the final resting place for the wicked. Not for a place of eternal torture, but it may be their second death; a final death, one with out a chance of resurrection.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

If heaven is a place for the good, and hell is the place for the wicked, and God new that man would sin and become wicked, why did he not at this time create heaven, earth, and hell? (A place for the good, a place for the battle, and a place for the wicked.)

Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

My only question is that, rather than informing Adam that he would die (ouch), why did God not inform Adam that if he ate of the tree of knowledge he would first die (ouch) then be brought back to life, and then cast into a lake of fire which would continue to cause him incredible pain and agony for all of eternity (double ouch). You might argue that Adam could not understand pain because he had never felt it, but the same applies to death because not only had he never before died, he had never before seen anything die.


So what did Jesus mean in Mark 3:29 (but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal damnation.)

when he warned us of eternal damnation? The very word damnation comes from the Greek word krisis (kree’-sis), which can be interpreted as a separation.

So if it can mean separation than Mark 3:29 could have been interpreted but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal separation.

Now remember I am not trying to disprove hell, I am merely trying to prove that it could exist because of interpretation errors from language to language. The interpreter’s preconceived beliefs can and did impact the words they chose to use during the conversion processes.

So what is the lake of fire referred to in Revelations 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Ok first of all, people sometimes assume that the lake of fire is hell, so how can hell be cast into hell? So lets first brake down the lake of fire. This is not the same lake of fire that Jesus speaks of (gehenna). This is actually referring to the word lake (large body of water) and the word fire (pur) is actually referring to a burning fire. The word translated to hell is the Greek word hades, which can be and sometimes is translated as the word grave (place of rest). Ok, so far this is very confusing I will admit. The point is however that this verse from the bible can mean this. And death (the wicked; people who are already considered dead because of their sins) and hell (their graves, from their first death) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death (a final death with out chance of resurrection) Why toss their graves into the lake of fire with them? If we toss their grave (where they had been resting) in with them we symbolically and literally cleanse the earth of their very existence. What does this lake of fire do to the wicked?

The lake of fire turns them to stubble, ash under our feet according to Malachi 4:1-3 For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”Says the Lord of hosts, That will leave them neither root (possibly their grave?) nor branch (Possibly their body?). But to you who fear My name The sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in his wings; and you shall go out and grow fat like stall-fed calves. You shall trample the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day I do this,” says the Lord of hosts.


So here lies another question brought to my attention, what about the wailing and gnashing of teeth referred to in Matthew 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Well I certainly don’t question that there will be people screaming in agony as they are cast into their final resting place and burned to ash, but am I to believe that this wailing and gnashing of teeth will go on for all eternity. No, and there are two very good reasons why; the first I already went over when I showed you the biblical text that states they will become stubble and ashes (stubble and ashes don’t scream) under our feet, but the second reason is in the Final book and the second to last chapter of the bible where it states that there will be no more pain or crying for the former things have passed away, Revelations 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.

Now this not only states that the wicked have passed away and are no more, but it also implies that there will be no more sorrow, and I have to assume based on the character of God that if people were screaming in pain (a contradiction to Rev 21:4), and because He is omnipresent He would see this going on, He would feel sorrow (another contradiction to Rev 21:4) for these people no matter how wicked they are. Jesus tells us that we should love our enemies in Luke 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you

and what He taught us, comes to Him from His Father, GOD! God would want us to love our enemies, because He loves His enemies.

Hell can also denote:

"When we choose NOT to be better than we are."

~Ducky~

There's a secret get out of hell clause one may use before the tribunal of three upon judgment day. Just plead "worthy" your honors. And the gates shall open to a glorious union in the heavens between your spirit and the magnificence of his divine omnipotence.

Hell is earth with all its scratchin, clawing, fighting and deceptions.

We just went over this subject a few weeks ago


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Only the devil and his reapers can and will go to hell. The gospel is speaking not to you, but all that are the devil and his reapers. Think about it. Plus, what's not of God is alien to why what's not of God can go to hell. You're just as well God or else you go to hell. Can God make something not of God that's seperate from God's creation? Ask yourself this.

I so hope you are correct in your assumptions. Because in the coming months if my health does not come back and job status does not improve I may have to do something most unpleasant.

wow...

" I am not trying to disprove hell "

Ok than why does your main title say..

" there is no hell!!! " ?


1. Hell is mentioned many times in the old and new testament. Its real.. In the OT it even says the Earth opened up and swalloed evil souls..

thats probably why God put lava in the center of the earth...

If you meet evil people on earth, I have met some souls who were so ruthless they would just scream for no reason...

this is (without) being in hell... souls build up that ruff evilness on earth, and what the fires represent are the state of evil souls.... they are so wicked that they are (worthy) of hell fire....... its the only thing that can extingish them.....


Now, when God says love thy enemies.. It doesn't mean let thy eneimes in heaven to (disrupt) the whole of paradise.... Those souls chose hell and don't want forgiveness and heaven..

they want seperation and hell without God... Its a choice....

God will show you at the end the thoughts of every creature to ever live, and their minds and their hearts and whats in them, and the ones who chose hell he will show to the world as well..


peace.

Originally posted by jpm1602
I so hope you are correct in your assumptions. Because in the coming months if my health does not come back and job status does not improve I may have to do something most unpleasant.

Please u2u me... I would really like to talk to you! There are ALWAYS better options... I think it may be devine inpiration that I created this thread and it attracted you!

Originally posted by JesusisTruth

wow...

" I am not trying to disprove hell "

Ok than why does your main title say..

" there is no hell!!! " ?


1. Hell is mentioned many times in the old and new testament. Its real.. In the OT it even says the Earth opened up and swalloed evil souls..

thats probably why God put lava in the center of the earth...

If you meet evil people on earth, I have met some souls who were so ruthless they would just scream for no reason...

this is (without) being in hell... souls build up that ruff evilness on earth, and what the fires represent are the state of evil souls.... they are so wicked that they are (worthy) of hell fire....... its the only thing that can extingish them.....


Now, when God says love thy enemies.. It doesn't mean let thy eneimes in heaven to (disrupt) the whole of paradise.... Those souls chose hell and don't want forgiveness and heaven..

they want seperation and hell without God... Its a choice....

God will show you at the end the thoughts of every creature to ever live, and their minds and their hearts and whats in them, and the ones who chose hell he will show to the world as well..


peace.

Why do I get the feeling you read like 3 lines of my whole thread...

Dude... I used "biblical facts" aka "biblical verses" to back up my "theory"... I said there is not Hell so people would know what I am talking about within the thread... It's like a news paper heading... Would you prefer that I write...

Thread topic... "I currently believe there is no hell and have biblical facts to back up this theory, but I am not trying to prove to you there is no hell I am just trying to show you that there is a possibility that it is translational error and pagon belief brought hell into the Bible in the first place"... Seem kinda lengthy... what do you think?

I am FULLY AWARE IT MENTIONS HELL IN THE BIBLE... In the worlds of our dear friend Carlos... I am not a Dee Dee Dee...

I am simply trying to show you that it goes against God's charactor, no matter what the SIN is it has a LIMIT to the amount of damage it can do... Therefor a "just" punishment cannot be ETERNAL TORTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If I have sex with hookers every day and am not forgiven because I don't repent, I should burn in a eternal fire screaming in agony for the rest of eternity right along with Satan who is the soal cause of all the pain and suffering that has existed the past 5000+ years (or whatever you believe)... COME ON...............

Go back, read my thread... Then try again...

No I did read it...

You obviously don't know what grace is.... Grace is love.... some people reject graces so they choose on earth to never worship God.... They wouldnt want forgiveness ever. Their souls are hardened in evil.. You don't understand..

and stop using caps..... I get you whether you use caps or small case....

Say I had a house...ok?

Then this robber said..

I want to live with you but I might steal your property, (and) I will never change.

do I let him in my house?

furthermore if he said I hate you and your family, I don't want to serve. Then do I further let him in?


you see Hell is a choice..... You don't just (slip) in hell by accident and this your young mind will see one day....when God shows you why whoevers in hell is there for.....


" if I had sex everyday and am not forgiven because I don't repent should I burn in eternity of hell forvever "

God gives every soul an oppurtunity to repent and make amends....

so if you are not forgiven than that remains with you forever.... God searches the heart brother, he knows who wants to repent and doesnt....so whoever is in hell wants to be there, they dont want forgiveness...

or else your erasing free will......

If someone didnt choose to worship God on earth, why should they change their mind in hell?

because they suffer?

thats an unsincere ass reason to convert....

God wants real people in heaven, not phonies who ask for forgiveness the minute they feal suffering who wanted nothing to do with him on earth.....


Its like a sneaky ass friend who says something in your face, then behind your back hates your guts.....

Uh uh, God don't play that stuff.....


" Come On "

Its a choice sparda.... Im telling you God will reveal whats in (every) heart at the judgement seat...

We trust earthly judges on earth who are sincere, so trust God who actually reads hearts.

peace.

oh your so wrong. hell definately exists.

i work there every weekday for minimum wage

reply to post by JesusisTruth


NO dude... I never said that we all get to go to heaven... Once again... I feel as though you didn't actually read the thread...

The only difference between what YOU believe and what I believe is that instead of being tortured for all of eternity (not just) you simply cease to exist for all of eternity... It is the eternal separation from God that is the punishment, not eternal torture... COME ON... does that sound like God?

Now... why do they talk about Hell in the Bible? because the people who translated the Bible chose to use those words during the translation because it was their belief...

So... read... absorb... respond...

(caps help get my point accross... its not like I am writing in ALL CAPS the whole time... relax, get over your power trip and don't tell me how to write my posts/threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

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No dude... your job just sucks it's not hell!

I can help though! I am an admissions advisor at a awesome university... I can get you signed up, and in classes in no time... We will get you that career you have always dreamed of!

Ok (dude)

look, you just said and pinpoint the contradictions..

1. (There is no HELL!!!!!!)

thats the thread title...


2. " i am not trying to disprove hell, I am merely trying to prove that it could exist "


which contradicts the headline...

please explain this..... I gotta be honest, the thread makes no sense....


the reason they talk about hell in the bible is because God told them about it, and the earth literally opened up on one occasion to swallow souls up that were evil...

the fact is, is that I truly believe thats why God put lava at the center of the earth.

And furthermore, the torture is caused by the Demons, its not only physical but spiritual as well... complete darkness...

and the reason why God said...

" I shall wipe away all tears "

this is only indicating the souls in heaven, not the ones in hell, they continue to suffer...

I also believe from the saints visions of hell, that there are different layers of hell....

the less evil souls sit in darkness but not hell flames, while the ones like Hitler and so forth go to the deepest realm which is hell fire....


peace.

Originally posted by JesusisTruth

Ok (dude)

look, you just said and pinpoint the contradictions..

1. (There is no HELL!!!!!!)

thats the thread title...


2. " i am not trying to disprove hell, I am merely trying to prove that it could exist "


which contradicts the headline...

please explain this..... I gotta be honest, the thread makes no sense....

Oh... Let me help...

It is because you didn't read... You only quoted HALF OF A SENSTANCE from my thread dude...

The full senstance says... "Now remember I am not trying to disprove hell, I am merely trying to prove that it could exist because of interpretation errors from language to language."

As I already said... I couldn't write... "this thread is to prove that hell could be in the Bible because of a translation error and that I believe it not to exist!" That is a pretty long thread topic, I just assumed when people clicked on it and read the thread they would understand the premis!

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Okay...

Let me ask you a question...

HOW do we live forever in Heaven?

We eat from the tree of what???

What is it again?

The tree of LIFE...

Do the wicked get to eat from the tree of life?

NO... no they don't...

They don't because they don't get to LIVE forever, they DIE a SECOND death, one without a chance of resurrection!

They become ash under our feet!

reply to post by sparda4355


I like your thinking man! It would not suit the nature of God to torture someone in Hell for eternity when all that needs to be done is to destroy the ego as 'ashes'. However, the ego/soul which improves itself can then transcend death to be retained and to live in eternal peace. Good thinking and research.

Originally posted by Heronumber0
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I like your thinking man! It would not suit the nature of God to torture someone in Hell for eternity when all that needs to be done is to destroy the ego as 'ashes'. However, the ego/soul which improves itself can then transcend death to be retained and to live in eternal peace. Good thinking and research.

Thank you

I appreciate that... I have done a lot of research and quite honestly I think the whole concept of hell scares a lot of people away from becoming christians... Why would a loving God use torture for a eternity as a form of punishment?

Sparda I did read the whole thing...

If your not contradicting yourself, why didnt you make the headline...

" I believe hell might not exist "

??????

Btw the headlines streach for way more words than there is no hell, your lying about that.... you can fit 2 sentences in a headline, ive done it before.


You said... that your not trying to disprove hell, but that your trying to rpove that it (COULD EXIST) because of interpretations "

that contradicts the headline, am I the only one that sees this?

shouldnt you be trying to prove that it might not exist instead of that it could exist? That would fit the headline better brother...


" why would God torture us forever "

The demons do.... But its because we gave our wills over to demonic possesion and evil on earth....

look, all this will be settled after death, you will see that the souls are so wicked in hell that they are worthy of hell fire...

God bless you.

Originally posted by JesusisTruth

Sparda I did read the whole thing...

If your not contradicting yourself, why didnt you make the headline...

"I believe hell might not exist "

You said... that your not trying to disprove hell, but that your trying to rpove that it (COULD EXIST) because of interpretations "

that contradicts the headline, am I the only one that sees this?

No read this...

I am trying to prove that hell "might only exist BECAUSE OF TRANSLATION ERRORS" I don't believe that hell exists, I am trying to prove that if you were to remove the translation errors, HELL WOULD NOT EVEN EXIST IN THE BIBLE... The people that translated the Bible believed in a hell and theirfor used words like "hell" instead of words like "grave" even thought the Hebrew words could be translated as either... so...

Once again... I am trying to prove that hell only exists because of translation error, that is NOT hte same thing as saying I am trying to prove that hell exists... Read the whole senstance man!