Geraldo says Time Square bombing was done by 9/11 Truther

yeah blame anarchists. I wouldn't be at all suprised if it was actually. but did the explosion kill anyone? I dunno. they label animal rights activists and eco people terrorists now, so whatever. welcome to facist america. Truthers aren't even anarchists anyway. most of them don't know who Bakunin was and so on. Geraldo is just straight up brown shirting here.

I think Geraldo is still smarting from when his show was interrupted by Truth activists. Here:
www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Silenceisall


It's safer to say he's still smarting from Al Capone's vaults.

Geraldo is a bastion of journalistic integrity. Where's a flying chair when you need one?

Peace


[edit on 7-3-2008 by Dr Love]

Originally posted by Pjotr
I don't get it, what would be the thought crime on the holocaust?
That it didn't happen?? Somebody else than the Nazi's did it?
Just to be sure for people that cherish the thought that it wasn't that bad...check some photo's and then rethink you own life.

Photos Holocaust

I am not brainwashing. I talked to people who lived it. You can check out some of the camps still.
Please do not compare 911 with that.
We all lived 911 (even in Europe, I was in my car and heard it happening on the radio on a long trip and had to stop and visit a sister. We both said: Those terrorist sure used some explosives, when we saw the buildings blow.) and afterwards we can review the evidence of a malfunctioning official version.
[edit on 7-3-2008 by Pjotr]

Thanks for the reply. My comments were not about whether these events happened. It was more directed to efforts to label people who don't agree with the "official versions" of these events such things as "terrorists", or "inciting hate" etc.

reply to post by Silenceisall


Thanks for posting the video now it all makes sense Geraldo doesn't seem to like like truthers and anarchists. I wonder if he blames anarchists for the time he was beat up by skin heads in a bathroom??

Trustnobody



[edit on 7-3-2008 by trustnobody]

What the heck were you doing watching Fox and Friends? I'm deeply disappointed in you, my friend. I hope you've learned your lesson.

[edit on 7-3-2008 by Impreza]

Jumpin' Christ Chex, does it piss me off me when people conflate anarchism with violence.

Please avail yourselves of the breadth of information available on the interwebnets regarding what exactly Anarchism is. Actually, scratch that, because Anarchism isn't a single political philosophy, its not inherently violent, and it actually, in many respects, makes a whole lot of sense.

I would direct you here for a very superficial and brief treatment of the concept:
en.wikipedia.org...

If you're still interested, I would recommend the work of Bakunin for the most original work on Anarchism. Additionally, if you're interested Derrick Jensen's work in Endgame Volumes I and II is quite exceptional, but it is Anarcho-primitivism, which is a different school of thought.

Please, don't dismiss these schools of political theory as violent crazy ideology, because that is not a reality, and serves to perpetrate a harmful mythology.

I wouldn't at all be shocked if the person responsible for the bombing of a marine recruiting office was a truther. Certainly doesn't mean that all truthers are going to bomb places but there is a pretty disgruntled fringe to those people. How many times each week do we see ATS posters say that they want a revolution? I honestly wouldn't be shocked to find out that the bomber was a regular member of this website. ATS has already had one school shooter. Why not a bomber.

I must read the wrong posts, cause I cant think of one that said we need a revolution. I hear lots of people looking for reform, and a government that actually does its job, (ie; looking after "We the peoples" best interests instead of only their own) but I must be missing the really radical posts. Reform is NOT revolution. It is our Constitutional duty to ensure the leadership doesnt undermine the Constitution itself. And they sure are aaaaaawwwwfully close to that right now, if they havent already crossed the line.

For instance NAFTA Chapter 11 allows corporations to sue the US government for making policies that "harm their investments." (and Clinton did this, not Bush, so dont presume that the Democrats are any better) From a "Public Citizen article on the subject;

The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) includes an array of new corporate investment rights and protections that are unprecedented in scope and power. NAFTA allows corporations to sue the national government of a NAFTA country in secret arbitration tribunals if they feel that a regulation or government decision affects their investment in conflict with these new NAFTA rights. If a corporation wins, the taxpayers of the "losing" NAFTA nation must foot the bill. This extraordinary attack on governments' ability to regulate in the public interest is a key element of the proposed NAFTA expansion called the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).

www.citizen.org...

We the people cant do that. In effect the US' "sovereign immunity" was signed away in that treaty.

If you dont know what that is, look here on Wikipedia.

en.wikipedia.org...

BTW; if they call environmentalists and the peta guys terrorists, why arent abortion clinic bombers terrorists too?

[edit on 7-3-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

reply to post by zerotime

Yeah, it could be.

However, it could also be someone that was disgruntled with the treatment they'd received from the military. It could have been anti-war activists. It could have been John Travolta. It could have been Elvis. It could have been Janis Joplin. It could have been the President of the United States of America. It could have been Cleopatra.

While I respect the fact that you think it could have been someone from this board, I wish you would qualify that by stating you realize it could have been just about anyone.

While there are certainly narrowing factors to be used in any investigation, I take some serious issue with pointing in on ourselves as a starting point.

Those of us who are intelligently critical of the official 9/11 story are typically, in my experience, also rather peaceful individuals that, while being disgusted with the way things are, aren't all that prone to something as relatively fear-mongering as blow up an inconsequential recruiting station.

Originally posted by McKennalite
Yeah, it could be.

However, it could also be someone that was disgruntled with the treatment they'd received from the military. It could have been anti-war activists. It could have been John Travolta. It could have been Elvis. It could have been Janis Joplin. It could have been the President of the United States of America. It could have been Cleopatra.

While I respect the fact that you think it could have been someone from this board, I wish you would qualify that by stating you realize it could have been just about anyone.

While there are certainly narrowing factors to be used in any investigation, I take some serious issue with pointing in on ourselves as a starting point.

Those of us who are intelligently critical of the official 9/11 story are typically, in my experience, also rather peaceful individuals that, while being disgusted with the way things are, aren't all that prone to something as relatively fear-mongering as blow up an inconsequential recruiting station.

Sure, It could be anyone. All I said was that I wouldn't be shocked if it was a truther or an ATS member. But I do not believe it was John Travolta, Janis Joplin, Elvis, Cleopatra or the president. Realistically, it will be someone with a beef on the US military or the war in general. And that type of person can be found in abundance here on ATS. I'm not trying to cast a shadow over ATS members. I have been one since 2004. There are those people who peacefully protest in front of abortion clinics and then there are those people who try to blow them up. With the popularity of the Internet these maniacs jump onto online forums and give clues on their craziness.

It was someone on a bicycle.

Those craaaazy cyclists, they oughta be shot!

I think it's been said before, but if it were a REAL terrorist, wouldn't they have done it when there were actucal bodies inside to be damaged?

Just a thought.

(And that line about a flying chair made mead spew out of my nose..thanks!)

Is not Geraldo Bill O' Reilly's best friend? This guy does not know what he is talking about. He is just there to fulfill RM's agenda.

reply to post by zerotime

Thanks for clarifying zero. I pretty much agree with you, but I think we need to be careful about the shadow-casting. Especially considering the weight of these charges.

I don't want to end up in a KBR train shackled to the floor on the way to a Haliburton work camp.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
It was a quality explosion with a lot of damage but rather than hurting the fed he ends up hurting a bunch of women and children and people just working to put food on the table.

This is off topic from the NY blast but is topical to your post. The Feds killed those women and children and all the other people that died in OK City because they tried to be the hero and swoop in at the last minute to save the day. They knew about the plan and were steps behind McVeigh but severly dropped the ball because they wanted to be dramatic and ended up costing a lot of people their lives.

The OK City bombing was also after and in response to the first Trade Center bombing (set up by the feds mind you) that wasn't big enough to get the start of anti-terrorism laws on the books.

The American people need to put it together that the government IS looking for terrorists. The government considers everyone a possible terrorist. It's the new McCarthy era and if you get labeled you are done in society. No trial, no rights, no humane treatment. You'll be naked on a milk crate once they don't need your support in defeating their enemies.

The government is supposed to be of the people and for the people. It is now suspicious of the people and thinks the population would be easier to "protect" if everyone was locked in a cell.

National IDs, registering to take a flight or (eventually) any transport, border fences (the 'ray gun' seems effective), facial recognition cameras on every corner may seem like a good idea when someone gives you false reasons to be in fear of your surrounding. All that happens when the population complies with all this for their 'safety' is they have voluntarily built a prison around themselves with the government in the guard tower.

It takes money to get into government so I do not believe for a second that our government is completely wide open for the average joe to be a part of. People with money get money by ripping other people off. The nature of the people in power is not a giving one, it's greed. Once the greedy taste power they don't want to give it up. Government is people with money, money gave them power, not the government. They just twisted it to fit their needs.

[edit on 3/7/2008 by Spoodily]

Originally posted by jsobecky
What do you think? Are Truthers really anarchists? Do you think they pulled this off?
[edit on 7-3-2008 by jsobecky]

I think this is about the funniest thing I've read in a long, long time. The irony is so thick you'd need a chain saw to cut it.

"9-11 'Truthers' Accused of Pulling Off 'Inside Job'".

Now, "Truthers", YOU are the target of a conspiracy theory.

Go ahead and PROVE that you had nothing to do with it; otherwise, we will assume you are GUILTY.

Sound familiar?

What's that? You can't disprove a negative?

HA HA.

Oh, the irony.

Someone postulated earlier that an "uppity" white person was the perp. I hate to burst your bubble but the bike they found was a Ross and no "uppity" white would be caught dead riding that or a Murray.

Originally posted by trustnobody
reply to post by AndrewTB

 

I don't believe truthers have an agenda other than people deserve to know what really happend. They are also portaying anarchist as violent. Anarchy is not about violence, it is about not wanting some one else telling them what to think, do, act etc...

Best Regards
Trustnobody

I used to be on the other side of the fence so to say. There are the select few that follow anarchy's true values. Then you have the blind followers.

On another note. A majority of truthers just go with whats hip at the time. For example, you stop and ask the average truther for some facts and they cant spit any out. Loose change tries to come off as professional when 90% of the crap in it is made up by an average joe. While I don't have the links, there are many scientist that have debunked everything most truthers have to say about 9/11 being more then what it was portrayed as being. Google for yourself its plentiful, truthers just tend to ignore the real facts.

Your going to have to face the cold hard reality that terrorist did fly planes into the twin towers and everything went down the way the government says it did.

The war in Iraq is another story. But seriously believe me when I say im nowhere near a fan of the current government in place.


Can you imagine a world without Government? It sure as hell wouldn't be pretty, regardless of what you believe. Most of these people would be crying for restoration within a few hours of being put in such a situation.

I'm by no means a fan of the government, but the government isn't out to get you, or anyone else for the matter.

I will close by saying absolutely everyone has an agenda in one way or another. TO say otherwise just reinforces your ignorance. Seldomly is the agenda "truth". Especially when the truth is already out there.

[edit on 3/8/2008 by AndrewTB]

Does anyone find it a bit odd that Geraldo maybe referring to 911 conspiracists as "anarchists" like that maybe a negative ideology, if he really wants to invoke fear he should just call them "nazi's" but he seems like he has no clue as to whom he maybe talking to. He thinks American's are so ignorant that they wouldn't know that this country following the constitution would be essentially anarchist in function, of course he doesn't shock in his disinfo operation. Not only did the press mention a 1971 book "anarchist cookbook" with regard to the Ricin case but now this moron at Fox calls people the title of the book, coincidence? Looks like someone might have murdered that guy in Vegas and then ran an Operation to bomb a recruiter center to make these appear like an uptick of homegrown terror and then to associate an idea "anarchy" with violence and terror against the US or manufacture of toxic chemicals. Everyone knows you can legally buy gasoline, bleach and many other substances to make nasty chemicals even with just a high school chemistry education prior to the neutered science kits they sell today, there are millions of people all over the country with more than a rudimentary education in these matters, not to mention former military. If people were really going kooky or getting mad the economic outlook surely gives them impetus if they feel they have been screwed by the taxes and cost of the war. Strange thing maybe that these events have not happened more often, the fact that despite all of the insane spying and constitution burning of the current government people have been generally civil does not surprise me, the government has been wrong all along on it's own citizens, how dare they spy on US citizens when they never did when USSR had 15,000 nukes pointed at us. If people couldn't be trusted then cars would be banned and you would need a liscense to buy gasoline, but since people don't generally go out of there way to hurt others barring the occasional "fruitcake" on anti-psychotics these laws to restrict freedom deserve major scrutiny if this society will continue to maintain the freedoms that matter and give purpose to defending them in the first place.

Calling an anarchist a terrorist is like saying anyone who thinks for themselves and formulates any opinion that opposes that of the government in power is a suspected terrorist. I really think this is some scary stuff. If both the bombing, and the ricin incidents, where staged by the government to create a stereo type, and hysteria against, all free thinking members of society. I suppose I better peel the anarchy sticker off the back of car.

Trustnobody